Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com>]

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Oracle was a terrible example. That company is about one man, his ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity.

On Jul 15, 2013, at 19:07, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

> the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil all at the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle, GE, etc.) that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is mostly good or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the nature of the universe.
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> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, john francis lee <jfl@robinlea.com> wrote:
>> Isn't google the now well-known devil itself ?
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>> On 07/15/2013 11:04 PM, hiro wrote:
>>> Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then?
>>> I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the
>>> successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0
>>> services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it
>>> possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make
>>> it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos
>>> without the typical mimecode problems.
>>> 
>>> On 7/15/13, 9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk <9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
>>>> Articles require approval before being posted.  It has been
>>>> moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's.  I,
>>>> the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of
>>>> this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August
>>>> of this year.  So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required.
>>>> 
>>>> Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list.
>>>> Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the
>>>> comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup.  This bi-directional gateway will
>>>> disappear when our Usenet server is turned off.  So a volunteer to
>>>> take over this service is also required.
>>>> 
>>>> Further details of the above are given below.
>>>> 
>>>> Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive.  For example I've
>>>> approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months.  The
>>>> vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups.
>>>> 
>>>> The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right
>>>> to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup.  I.e. articles from the
>>>> moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted.  Volunteer
>>>> moderators are requested.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is
>>>> that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are
>>>> gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at:
>>>> 
>>>> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/
>>>> 
>>>> and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway.
>>>> The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the
>>>> comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are
>>>> sent on to the mailing list.
>>>> 
>>>> Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously
>>>> keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a
>>>> replacement elsewhere is ideally required.
>>>> 
>>>> The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into
>>>> the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and
>>>> have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a
>>>> moderated Newsgroup.
>>>> 
>>>> Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup
>>>> is labour-intensive.  It needs to be automated.  There are probably
>>>> several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our
>>>> Usenet server.  Our setup is similar to the following.
>>>> 
>>>> We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we
>>>> wish to inject into Newsgroups.  Mail for this domain is handled by
>>>> the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its
>>>> Usenet software.  All incoming email is checked for viruses using
>>>> ClamAV.
>>>> 
>>>> An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the
>>>> 9fans mailing list.  Email arriving for this address is checked to
>>>> see it has the correct envelope sender (9fans-bounces@9fans.net).
>>>> If so, the INN program "mailpost" is used to inject the message
>>>> into the Newsgroup.  The "mailpost" program keeps a record of the
>>>> Message-ID's it has seen.  So there's no problem with looping, ie
>>>> the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of
>>>> times.
>>>> 
>>>> Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using
>>>> INN "news2mail" channel script.  However, betraying my original
>>>> Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment:
>>>> 
>>>> # Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into
>>>> # the mailing list, 9fans@9fans.net, using a locally written script.
>>>> # The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not
>>>> # re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list.
>>>> plan9mail!\
>>>>    :comp.os.plan9\
>>>>    :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s
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>>>> in INN's newsfeeds file.
>>>> 
>>>> The above script uses the news2mail program from the antique but
>>>> usable newsgate.tar.Z package to send email.  The anti-looping
>>>> checks include ensuring the Newsgroup article doesn't include a
>>>> header of the form:
>>>> 
>>>> X-BeenThere: 9fans@9fans.net
>>>> 
>>>> which indicates this was a 9fans mailing list article injected into
>>>> Newsgroup.
>>>> 
>>>> The above may sound complex, but it's fairly maintenance free once
>>>> set up.  We clearly won't be able to continue with this service once
>>>> our Usenet server is decommissioned.  A volunteer to set up and run
>>>> a similar service is required.
>>>> --
>>>> Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
>>>> D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk               Phone: +44 1225 386101
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>> -- 
>> john francis lee
>> 246/3 Moo 22
>> Thanon Kaew Wai
>> Mueang Chiangrai 57000
>> Thailand
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