Hey Adriano

It seems as if the list is not total= ly moribund after all, even if these days people will insist on talking abo= ut Plan9 on it, rather than posting informative digressions about almost ev= erything else. I hope you got at least some of the responses which your ori= ginal message sparked. The list is not mute, so if you're not getting t= he number of responses you expect, checking your spam bucket is probably a = good idea.

On Aug 23, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Adriano Verardo <adr.verardo@gmail.co= m> wrote:

Thank you Winston, pleased to hear from you.
Rea= lly, my email accounts work (mail dot com too) .
And I've also recei= ved the 9fans subscription confirmation of changes.

I personally have been technically dead for some time, but am still r= eceiving emails from the list, so the problem may be at your end. In which = case of course you won't see this. Bugger.

On 23 August 2016 at = 12:00, Adriano Verardo <adr.verardo@gmail.com <mailto:adr.verardo@gmail.com>> wro= te:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi, all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don'receive from the = group since June.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I've changed my subscription, opened = another gmail account
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(mail-dot-com had problems),
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0contacted 9fans staff etc etc....
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Could anyone ki= ndly le me know about problems or whatever else
=C2=A0 =C2=A0reason why<= br>=C2=A0 =C2=A09fans seems to be mute ?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks.

--001a1148733a0f1b43053ac6b6a0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <57BB98EC.6030507@gmail.com> From: Adriano Verardo Message-ID: <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:51:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 98769420-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Winston Kodogo wrote: > Hey Adriano > > It seems as if the list is not totally moribund after all, even if > these days people will insist on talking about Plan9 on it, rather > than posting informative digressions about almost everything else. I > hope you got at least some of the responses which your original > message sparked. The list is not mute, so if you're not getting the > number of responses you expect, checking your spam bucket is probably > a good idea. Hi, I checked them for a while before issuing my first message. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 $3124$) From: Brantley Coile In-reply-to: <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:55:55 -0400 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <57BB98EC.6030507@gmail.com> <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 987d9df6-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Some general comments. It=E2=80=99s good to see it used in at least a few places. It=E2=80=99s = too good a system to be the only one using it. But I will until = providence completely forces me to do otherwise, which I don=E2=80=99t = anticipate.=20 I=E2=80=99m really lucky to be able to use the system, especially in the = way it was envisioned in the 1980=E2=80=99s. My first knowledge of it = was when I asked Dennis Ritchie what was new. He said that Ken was = playing around with the concept of union directories. Later, during one = of my visits to the Labs, in 1988 I think, Dennis gave me a = demonstration of the system. One problem with most people who haven=E2=80=99t been as fortunate as I = have, is they really just need a single system, not a distributed = system. While Plan 9 makes a better single system for some things than = most OSes, it=E2=80=99s really not supposed to have local disks at all. = It really is designed to be a larger distributed timesharing system. At = Coraid, we had two setups, one in Athens and one in Redwood City, that = supported over 100 users in total. And without a single dedicated system = admin. It was a very part time job, mostly for Erik, but Ian Ennis did = some as well. It was very easy to manage because it was a single = machine. As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as a = development system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone = know of any others?=20 Different people choose tools for different reasons and to satisfy = different requirements the world places on them. I chose to work in = embedded appliances so I could pick the software I use. The PIX Firewall = was a bit too early for Plan 9=E2=80=94it was not yet released when I = wrote the PIX=E2=80=94but it was very much of the spirit, as was the = Cisco LocalDirector. Soon, we began using the 1995 Plan 9 release and I = have been using it almost exclusively ever since. I use it as the sole = development environment and as the base of the products we ship. In spite of our early success at Coraid with the SR, after the VC = investment the use of Plan 9 became controversial. It=E2=80=99s not what = others use, and in Sand Land (what else can one call Silicon Valley) = that makes people nervous. Over my objections, the company attempted to = move to Open Solaris. It=E2=80=99s a truism that a company that changes = operating system goes out of business, and Coraid, Inc. again proved = that to be true. The reason? A small company can=E2=80=99t afford the = retooling costs to switch to another operating system.=20 But things have turned out well anyway, at least for me and the = traditional Coraid users. Now I have everything from the trademark to = the source code and now offer the Coraid product as a software product = and can support existing Coraid users, both with software updates and = with help getting their hardware fixed or replaced. We are helping all = those folks who bought Coraid gear continue to get value of their = purchase. One fellow sent me a note showing that he=E2=80=99s been up = over 2,000 days without rebooting. There=E2=80=99s never a reason to = fork-lift an SR. I like to think we do a good job, but our performance, efficiency and = low cost is all made possible by the superior system that was developed = by the folks at the Labs from 1987 thru 2002.=20 Brantley= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <57BB98EC.6030507@gmail.com> <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> From: Nickolas Peter Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 09:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140c8e6ea3364053ad0dc3a Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 988206d4-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a1140c8e6ea3364053ad0dc3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Brantley, I am by no means an experienced developer or Plan 9 user, so I can hardly speak from the same experience level as most (I assume) of the posters on this list. I only recently found myself very interested in Plan 9, C, and embedded systems. As of now, I only run 9front as a learning environment on series of virtual machines. It's really intriguing to hear that there's commercial hardware running Plan 9, and very motivating to see that there are still people utilizing Plan 9 in some way as a primary system. When you mentioned using Plan 9 in your shipping software, were you referring to some internal software that you use to handle shipping hardware to customers, or software that you sell to customers (say, to run on your hardware)? I'm interested to hear more about it, if you're at liberty to share. Nick On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Brantley Coile wrote: > Some general comments. > > It=E2=80=99s good to see it used in at least a few places. It=E2=80=99s t= oo good a system > to be the only one using it. But I will until providence completely force= s > me to do otherwise, which I don=E2=80=99t anticipate. > > I=E2=80=99m really lucky to be able to use the system, especially in the = way it > was envisioned in the 1980=E2=80=99s. My first knowledge of it was when I= asked > Dennis Ritchie what was new. He said that Ken was playing around with the > concept of union directories. Later, during one of my visits to the Labs, > in 1988 I think, Dennis gave me a demonstration of the system. > > One problem with most people who haven=E2=80=99t been as fortunate as I h= ave, is > they really just need a single system, not a distributed system. While Pl= an > 9 makes a better single system for some things than most OSes, it=E2=80= =99s really > not supposed to have local disks at all. It really is designed to be a > larger distributed timesharing system. At Coraid, we had two setups, one = in > Athens and one in Redwood City, that supported over 100 users in total. A= nd > without a single dedicated system admin. It was a very part time job, > mostly for Erik, but Ian Ennis did some as well. It was very easy to mana= ge > because it was a single machine. > > As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as a > development system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone know > of any others? > > Different people choose tools for different reasons and to satisfy > different requirements the world places on them. I chose to work in > embedded appliances so I could pick the software I use. The PIX Firewall > was a bit too early for Plan 9=E2=80=94it was not yet released when I wro= te the > PIX=E2=80=94but it was very much of the spirit, as was the Cisco LocalDir= ector. > Soon, we began using the 1995 Plan 9 release and I have been using it > almost exclusively ever since. I use it as the sole development environme= nt > and as the base of the products we ship. > > In spite of our early success at Coraid with the SR, after the VC > investment the use of Plan 9 became controversial. It=E2=80=99s not what = others > use, and in Sand Land (what else can one call Silicon Valley) that makes > people nervous. Over my objections, the company attempted to move to Open > Solaris. It=E2=80=99s a truism that a company that changes operating syst= em goes > out of business, and Coraid, Inc. again proved that to be true. The reaso= n? > A small company can=E2=80=99t afford the retooling costs to switch to ano= ther > operating system. > > But things have turned out well anyway, at least for me and the > traditional Coraid users. Now I have everything from the trademark to the > source code and now offer the Coraid product as a software product and ca= n > support existing Coraid users, both with software updates and with help > getting their hardware fixed or replaced. We are helping all those folks > who bought Coraid gear continue to get value of their purchase. One fello= w > sent me a note showing that he=E2=80=99s been up over 2,000 days without = rebooting. > There=E2=80=99s never a reason to fork-lift an SR. > > I like to think we do a good job, but our performance, efficiency and low > cost is all made possible by the superior system that was developed by th= e > folks at the Labs from 1987 thru 2002. > > Brantley > --001a1140c8e6ea3364053ad0dc3a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Brantley,

I am by no means an experienced developer o= r Plan 9 user, so I can hardly speak from the same experience level as most= (I assume) of the posters on this list.=C2=A0I only=C2=A0recently found my= self very interested in=C2=A0Plan 9, C, and embedded systems. As of now,=C2= =A0I only run 9front as a learning environment on=C2=A0series of virtual ma= chines.

It's really intriguing to hear that th= ere's commercial hardware running Plan 9, and very motivating to see th= at there are still people utilizing Plan 9 in some way as a primary system.=

When you mentioned using Plan 9 in your shipping = software, were you referring to some internal software that you use to hand= le shipping hardware to customers, or software that you sell to customers (= say, to run on your hardware)? I'm interested to hear more about it, if= you're at liberty to share.

Ni= ck

On Wednesday, August 24, 2016,= Brantley Coile <brantleycoile@m= e.com> wrote:

Some general comment= s.

It=E2=80=99s good to see it used in at least a few places. It=E2=80=99s too= good a system to be the only one using it. But I will until providence com= pletely forces me to do otherwise, which I don=E2=80=99t anticipate.

I=E2=80=99m really lucky to be able to use the system, especially in the wa= y it was envisioned in the 1980=E2=80=99s. My first knowledge of it was whe= n I asked Dennis Ritchie what was new. He said that Ken was playing around = with the concept of union directories. Later, during one of my visits to th= e Labs, in 1988 I think, Dennis gave me a demonstration of the system.

One problem with most people who haven=E2=80=99t been as fortunate as I hav= e, is they really just need a single system, not a distributed system. Whil= e Plan 9 makes a better single system for some things than most OSes, it=E2= =80=99s really not supposed to have local disks at all. It really is design= ed to be a larger distributed timesharing system. At Coraid, we had two set= ups, one in Athens and one in Redwood City, that supported over 100 users i= n total. And without a single dedicated system admin. It was a very part ti= me job, mostly for Erik, but Ian Ennis did some as well. It was very easy t= o manage because it was a single machine.

As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as a dev= elopment system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone know of a= ny others?

Different people choose tools for different reasons and to satisfy differen= t requirements the world places on them. I chose to work in embedded applia= nces so I could pick the software I use. The PIX Firewall was a bit too ear= ly for Plan 9=E2=80=94it was not yet released when I wrote the PIX=E2=80=94= but it was very much of the spirit, as was the Cisco LocalDirector. Soon, w= e began using the 1995 Plan 9 release and I have been using it almost exclu= sively ever since. I use it as the sole development environment and as the = base of the products we ship.

In spite of our early success at Coraid with the SR, after the VC investmen= t the use of Plan 9 became controversial. It=E2=80=99s not what others use,= and in Sand Land (what else can one call Silicon Valley) that makes people= nervous. Over my objections, the company attempted to move to Open Solaris= . It=E2=80=99s a truism that a company that changes operating system goes o= ut of business, and Coraid, Inc. again proved that to be true. The reason? = A small company can=E2=80=99t afford the retooling costs to switch to anoth= er operating system.

But things have turned out well anyway, at least for me and the traditional= Coraid users. Now I have everything from the trademark to the source code = and now offer the Coraid product as a software product and can support exis= ting Coraid users, both with software updates and with help getting their h= ardware fixed or replaced. We are helping all those folks who bought Coraid= gear continue to get value of their purchase. One fellow sent me a note sh= owing that he=E2=80=99s been up over 2,000 days without rebooting. There=E2= =80=99s never a reason to fork-lift an SR.

I like to think we do a good job, but our performance, efficiency and low c= ost is all made possible by the superior system that was developed by the f= olks at the Labs from 1987 thru 2002.

=C2=A0 Brantley

--001a1140c8e6ea3364053ad0dc3a-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 $3124$) From: Brantley Coile In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 09:10:41 -0400 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <449720C2-7F8C-40D3-9DC4-F7F69EF66645@me.com> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <57BB98EC.6030507@gmail.com> <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9886cf2a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Nick, Coraid, Inc sold network storage systems that consisted of our software = running on more or less stock Supermicro hardware. We invented the = ATA-over-Ethernet block storage network protocol. We sold almost = $100,000,000 worth of stuff, somewhere north of 10,000 units, all = running Plan 9. I left Coraid the company in 2014 over disagreements with management on = the direction of the company, and started SouthSuite Software. Coraid, = Inc. was foreclosed on by the bank in 2015 and I was subsequently able = to purchase the good parts of the old Coraid, including the brand name = =E2=80=9CCoraid.=E2=80=9D Now, Coraid the brand lives on as a product of = SouthSuite Software. Now, we license that same software, or our continuing evolution of it, = to run on Supermicro hardware our customer buys themselves at a big = savings. We also support the existing Coraid equipment that is in the = field. You can check us out at http://www.coraid.com Thanks for asking. P. S. I still code exclusively in C and see no reason for me to change. Brantley > On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Nickolas Peter = wrote: >=20 > Hi Brantley, >=20 > I am by no means an experienced developer or Plan 9 user, so I can = hardly speak from the same experience level as most (I assume) of the = posters on this list. I only recently found myself very interested in = Plan 9, C, and embedded systems. As of now, I only run 9front as a = learning environment on series of virtual machines. >=20 > It's really intriguing to hear that there's commercial hardware = running Plan 9, and very motivating to see that there are still people = utilizing Plan 9 in some way as a primary system. >=20 > When you mentioned using Plan 9 in your shipping software, were you = referring to some internal software that you use to handle shipping = hardware to customers, or software that you sell to customers (say, to = run on your hardware)? I'm interested to hear more about it, if you're = at liberty to share. >=20 >=20 > Nick >=20 >=20 > On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Brantley Coile = wrote: > Some general comments. >=20 > It=E2=80=99s good to see it used in at least a few places. It=E2=80=99s = too good a system to be the only one using it. But I will until = providence completely forces me to do otherwise, which I don=E2=80=99t = anticipate. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m really lucky to be able to use the system, especially in = the way it was envisioned in the 1980=E2=80=99s. My first knowledge of = it was when I asked Dennis Ritchie what was new. He said that Ken was = playing around with the concept of union directories. Later, during one = of my visits to the Labs, in 1988 I think, Dennis gave me a = demonstration of the system. >=20 > One problem with most people who haven=E2=80=99t been as fortunate as = I have, is they really just need a single system, not a distributed = system. While Plan 9 makes a better single system for some things than = most OSes, it=E2=80=99s really not supposed to have local disks at all. = It really is designed to be a larger distributed timesharing system. At = Coraid, we had two setups, one in Athens and one in Redwood City, that = supported over 100 users in total. And without a single dedicated system = admin. It was a very part time job, mostly for Erik, but Ian Ennis did = some as well. It was very easy to manage because it was a single = machine. >=20 > As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as = a development system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone = know of any others? >=20 > Different people choose tools for different reasons and to satisfy = different requirements the world places on them. I chose to work in = embedded appliances so I could pick the software I use. The PIX Firewall = was a bit too early for Plan 9=E2=80=94it was not yet released when I = wrote the PIX=E2=80=94but it was very much of the spirit, as was the = Cisco LocalDirector. Soon, we began using the 1995 Plan 9 release and I = have been using it almost exclusively ever since. I use it as the sole = development environment and as the base of the products we ship. >=20 > In spite of our early success at Coraid with the SR, after the VC = investment the use of Plan 9 became controversial. It=E2=80=99s not what = others use, and in Sand Land (what else can one call Silicon Valley) = that makes people nervous. Over my objections, the company attempted to = move to Open Solaris. It=E2=80=99s a truism that a company that changes = operating system goes out of business, and Coraid, Inc. again proved = that to be true. The reason? A small company can=E2=80=99t afford the = retooling costs to switch to another operating system. >=20 > But things have turned out well anyway, at least for me and the = traditional Coraid users. Now I have everything from the trademark to = the source code and now offer the Coraid product as a software product = and can support existing Coraid users, both with software updates and = with help getting their hardware fixed or replaced. We are helping all = those folks who bought Coraid gear continue to get value of their = purchase. One fellow sent me a note showing that he=E2=80=99s been up = over 2,000 days without rebooting. There=E2=80=99s never a reason to = fork-lift an SR. >=20 > I like to think we do a good job, but our performance, efficiency and = low cost is all made possible by the superior system that was developed = by the folks at the Labs from 1987 thru 2002. >=20 > Brantley From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <449720C2-7F8C-40D3-9DC4-F7F69EF66645@me.com> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <57BB98EC.6030507@gmail.com> <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> <449720C2-7F8C-40D3-9DC4-F7F69EF66645@me.com> From: Nickolas Peter Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 09:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0819f4503d18053ad19d4c Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 988b5b58-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c0819f4503d18053ad19d4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brantley, Wow, that's really impressive. Thanks for sharing. Would you say that Supermicro hardware supports Plan 9 well, or did it take a lot of hacking and driver development? I have a Supermicro 1U sitting in my uncles basement =E2=80=94 I might go grab it and set it up as a fileserver. Nick On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Brantley Coile wrote: > Nick, > > Coraid, Inc sold network storage systems that consisted of our software > running on more or less stock Supermicro hardware. We invented the > ATA-over-Ethernet block storage network protocol. We sold almost > $100,000,000 worth of stuff, somewhere north of 10,000 units, all running > Plan 9. > > I left Coraid the company in 2014 over disagreements with management on > the direction of the company, and started SouthSuite Software. Coraid, In= c. > was foreclosed on by the bank in 2015 and I was subsequently able to > purchase the good parts of the old Coraid, including the brand name > =E2=80=9CCoraid.=E2=80=9D Now, Coraid the brand lives on as a product of = SouthSuite > Software. > > Now, we license that same software, or our continuing evolution of it, to > run on Supermicro hardware our customer buys themselves at a big savings. > We also support the existing Coraid equipment that is in the field. > > You can check us out at http://www.coraid.com > > Thanks for asking. > > P. S. I still code exclusively in C and see no reason for me to change. > > Brantley > > > On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Nickolas Peter > wrote: > > > > Hi Brantley, > > > > I am by no means an experienced developer or Plan 9 user, so I can > hardly speak from the same experience level as most (I assume) of the > posters on this list. I only recently found myself very interested in Pla= n > 9, C, and embedded systems. As of now, I only run 9front as a learning > environment on series of virtual machines. > > > > It's really intriguing to hear that there's commercial hardware running > Plan 9, and very motivating to see that there are still people utilizing > Plan 9 in some way as a primary system. > > > > When you mentioned using Plan 9 in your shipping software, were you > referring to some internal software that you use to handle shipping > hardware to customers, or software that you sell to customers (say, to ru= n > on your hardware)? I'm interested to hear more about it, if you're at > liberty to share. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Brantley Coile > wrote: > > Some general comments. > > > > It=E2=80=99s good to see it used in at least a few places. It=E2=80=99s= too good a > system to be the only one using it. But I will until providence completel= y > forces me to do otherwise, which I don=E2=80=99t anticipate. > > > > I=E2=80=99m really lucky to be able to use the system, especially in th= e way it > was envisioned in the 1980=E2=80=99s. My first knowledge of it was when I= asked > Dennis Ritchie what was new. He said that Ken was playing around with the > concept of union directories. Later, during one of my visits to the Labs, > in 1988 I think, Dennis gave me a demonstration of the system. > > > > One problem with most people who haven=E2=80=99t been as fortunate as I= have, is > they really just need a single system, not a distributed system. While Pl= an > 9 makes a better single system for some things than most OSes, it=E2=80= =99s really > not supposed to have local disks at all. It really is designed to be a > larger distributed timesharing system. At Coraid, we had two setups, one = in > Athens and one in Redwood City, that supported over 100 users in total. A= nd > without a single dedicated system admin. It was a very part time job, > mostly for Erik, but Ian Ennis did some as well. It was very easy to mana= ge > because it was a single machine. > > > > As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as a > development system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone know > of any others? > > > > Different people choose tools for different reasons and to satisfy > different requirements the world places on them. I chose to work in > embedded appliances so I could pick the software I use. The PIX Firewall > was a bit too early for Plan 9=E2=80=94it was not yet released when I wro= te the > PIX=E2=80=94but it was very much of the spirit, as was the Cisco LocalDir= ector. > Soon, we began using the 1995 Plan 9 release and I have been using it > almost exclusively ever since. I use it as the sole development environme= nt > and as the base of the products we ship. > > > > In spite of our early success at Coraid with the SR, after the VC > investment the use of Plan 9 became controversial. It=E2=80=99s not what = others > use, and in Sand Land (what else can one call Silicon Valley) that makes > people nervous. Over my objections, the company attempted to move to Open > Solaris. It=E2=80=99s a truism that a company that changes operating syst= em goes > out of business, and Coraid, Inc. again proved that to be true. The reaso= n? > A small company can=E2=80=99t afford the retooling costs to switch to ano= ther > operating system. > > > > But things have turned out well anyway, at least for me and the > traditional Coraid users. Now I have everything from the trademark to the > source code and now offer the Coraid product as a software product and ca= n > support existing Coraid users, both with software updates and with help > getting their hardware fixed or replaced. We are helping all those folks > who bought Coraid gear continue to get value of their purchase. One fello= w > sent me a note showing that he=E2=80=99s been up over 2,000 days without = rebooting. > There=E2=80=99s never a reason to fork-lift an SR. > > > > I like to think we do a good job, but our performance, efficiency and > low cost is all made possible by the superior system that was developed b= y > the folks at the Labs from 1987 thru 2002. > > > > Brantley > > > --94eb2c0819f4503d18053ad19d4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brantley,

Wow, that's really impressive. Thanks for = sharing. Would you say that Supermicro hardware supports Plan 9 well, or di= d it take a lot of hacking and driver development? I have a Supermicro 1U s= itting in my uncles basement =E2=80=94 I might go grab it and set it up as = a fileserver.

Nick

On Wednesday, August 2= 4, 2016, Brantley Coile <brantle= ycoile@me.com> wrote:

Nick,

Coraid, Inc sold network storage systems that consisted of our software run= ning on more or less stock Supermicro hardware. We invented the ATA-over-Et= hernet block storage network protocol. We sold almost $100,000,000 worth of= stuff, somewhere north of 10,000 units, all running Plan 9.

I left Coraid the company in 2014 over disagreements with management on the= direction of the company, and started SouthSuite Software. Coraid, Inc. wa= s foreclosed on by the bank in 2015 and I was subsequently able to purchase= the good parts of the old Coraid, including the brand name =E2=80=9CCoraid= .=E2=80=9D Now, Coraid the brand lives on as a product of SouthSuite Softwa= re.

Now, we license that same software, or our continuing evolution of it, to r= un on Supermicro hardware our customer buys themselves at a big savings. We= also support the existing Coraid equipment that is in the field.

You can check us out at http://www.coraid.com

Thanks for asking.

P. S. I still code exclusively in C and see no reason for me to change.

=C2=A0 Brantley

> On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Nickolas Peter <nickpeteromalley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Brantley,
>
> I am by no means an experienced developer or Plan 9 user, so I can har= dly speak from the same experience level as most (I assume) of the posters = on this list. I only recently found myself very interested in Plan 9, C, an= d embedded systems. As of now, I only run 9front as a learning environment = on series of virtual machines.
>
> It's really intriguing to hear that there's commercial hardwar= e running Plan 9, and very motivating to see that there are still people ut= ilizing Plan 9 in some way as a primary system.
>
> When you mentioned using Plan 9 in your shipping software, were you re= ferring to some internal software that you use to handle shipping hardware = to customers, or software that you sell to customers (say, to run on your h= ardware)? I'm interested to hear more about it, if you're at libert= y to share.
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Brantley Coile <= brantleycoile@me.com> wrote:
> Some general comments.
>
> It=E2=80=99s good to see it used in at least a few places. It=E2=80=99= s too good a system to be the only one using it. But I will until providenc= e completely forces me to do otherwise, which I don=E2=80=99t anticipate. >
> I=E2=80=99m really lucky to be able to use the system, especially in t= he way it was envisioned in the 1980=E2=80=99s. My first knowledge of it wa= s when I asked Dennis Ritchie what was new. He said that Ken was playing ar= ound with the concept of union directories. Later, during one of my visits = to the Labs, in 1988 I think, Dennis gave me a demonstration of the system.=
>
> One problem with most people who haven=E2=80=99t been as fortunate as = I have, is they really just need a single system, not a distributed system.= While Plan 9 makes a better single system for some things than most OSes, = it=E2=80=99s really not supposed to have local disks at all. It really is d= esigned to be a larger distributed timesharing system. At Coraid, we had tw= o setups, one in Athens and one in Redwood City, that supported over 100 us= ers in total. And without a single dedicated system admin. It was a very pa= rt time job, mostly for Erik, but Ian Ennis did some as well. It was very e= asy to manage because it was a single machine.
>
> As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as = a development system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone know= of any others?
>
> Different people choose tools for different reasons and to satisfy dif= ferent requirements the world places on them. I chose to work in embedded a= ppliances so I could pick the software I use. The PIX Firewall was a bit to= o early for Plan 9=E2=80=94it was not yet released when I wrote the PIX=E2= =80=94but it was very much of the spirit, as was the Cisco LocalDirector. S= oon, we began using the 1995 Plan 9 release and I have been using it almost= exclusively ever since. I use it as the sole development environment and a= s the base of the products we ship.
>
> In spite of our early success at Coraid with the SR, after the VC inve= stment the use of Plan 9 became controversial. It=E2=80=99s not what others= use, and in Sand Land (what else can one call Silicon Valley) that makes p= eople nervous. Over my objections, the company attempted to move to Open So= laris. It=E2=80=99s a truism that a company that changes operating system g= oes out of business, and Coraid, Inc. again proved that to be true. The rea= son? A small company can=E2=80=99t afford the retooling costs to switch to = another operating system.
>
> But things have turned out well anyway, at least for me and the tradit= ional Coraid users. Now I have everything from the trademark to the source = code and now offer the Coraid product as a software product and can support= existing Coraid users, both with software updates and with help getting th= eir hardware fixed or replaced. We are helping all those folks who bought C= oraid gear continue to get value of their purchase. One fellow sent me a no= te showing that he=E2=80=99s been up over 2,000 days without rebooting. The= re=E2=80=99s never a reason to fork-lift an SR.
>
> I like to think we do a good job, but our performance, efficiency and = low cost is all made possible by the superior system that was developed by = the folks at the Labs from 1987 thru 2002.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Brantley

--94eb2c0819f4503d18053ad19d4c-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 $3124$) From: Kim Shrier In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:38:34 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <57BB98EC.6030507@gmail.com> <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> <449720C2-7F8C-40D3-9DC4-F7F69EF66645@me.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 988ff1ae-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Aug 24, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Nickolas Peter = wrote: >=20 > Brantley, >=20 > Wow, that's really impressive. Thanks for sharing. Would you say that = Supermicro hardware supports Plan 9 well, or did it take a lot of = hacking and driver development? I have a Supermicro 1U sitting in my = uncles basement =E2=80=94 I might go grab it and set it up as a = fileserver. >=20 > Nick Hello from a long time lurker on the list. I am glad it is still alive. I also find it exciting that Coraid lives again. Well done, Brantley. Kim From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <24ac97f3c1ae7c6c119f830ef59df858@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:28:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 989481f6-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > As far as I know, SouthSuite is now the only company both using it as a development system or shipping software based on Plan 9. Does anyone know of any others? I still use Plan 9 for development as much as possible. Regrettably this has been decreasing as I write less C and more Verilog. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:46:48 -0700 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <5dee28ddbdd19cb986c4825e923f8195@mule> In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <57BB98EC.6030507@gmail.com> <57BD601A.508@gmail.com> <157DDAE0-B239-41FB-B10F-AFCC3F45A18F@me.com> <449720C2-7F8C-40D3-9DC4-F7F69EF66645@me.com>

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 991fd4f4-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu Aug 25 17:41:51 PDT 2016, kim@westryn.net wrote: > On Aug 24, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Nickolas Peter wrote: > >=20 > > Brantley, > >=20 > > Wow, that's really impressive. Thanks for sharing. Would you say that= Supermicro hardware supports Plan 9 well, or did it take a lot of hackin= g and driver development? I have a Supermicro 1U sitting in my uncles bas= ement =E2=80=94 I might go grab it and set it up as a fileserver. > >=20 > > Nick >=20 > Hello from a long time lurker on the list. I am glad it is still alive= . >=20 > I also find it exciting that Coraid lives again. Well done, Brantley. +1 - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:51:41 -0700 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <46a9e0e2e6e9475d34d7e800b31d2f50@mule> In-Reply-To: <12bf5712-67f4-4870-8f89-ed440216b211@email.android.com> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <12bf5712-67f4-4870-8f89-ed440216b211@email.android.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9925600e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue Aug 23 12:35:51 PDT 2016, sl@9front.org wrote: > Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > > In fact the population of 9fans in > >my > >neighborhood has doubled. > > Shades of damned lies and statistics? i can verify. we're in the same neighborhood. :-) - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:52:34 -0700 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <20160823021454.GA4212@staven.pl> <20160823053015.GA556@polynum.com> <20160823094639.GA495@polynum.com> <57BC43EB.60307@gmail.com> <8cfabb50-d906-b853-6cb9-1982acb76c44@gmail.com>

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 992c63e0-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >We still run Ken=E2=80=99s file server that Erik modified into a diskles= s file >server using our AoE appliances behind it. I develop on Plan 9 >exclusively. And we use it as a distributed operating system running on >about a dozen machines. i'm running ken's file server on a port to amd64. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> From: michaelian ennis Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:26:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1149ad7416ec38053b4c7345 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9930c53e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a1149ad7416ec38053b4c7345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote: as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my > neighborhood has doubled. > And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one other woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) Ian --001a1149ad7416ec38053b4c7345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the= population of 9fans in my neighborhood has doubled.

<= /div>

And for the county it has at leas= t tripled.=C2=A0 I heard at least one other woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatr= ick's talk last week. =C2=A0:)

Ian

--001a1149ad7416ec38053b4c7345-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 17:01:36 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114d9b3ea73e8e053b4ceff0 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 99359406-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a114d9b3ea73e8e053b4ceff0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm sorry I missed that meetup. I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking). On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < > skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote: > > as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my >> neighborhood has doubled. >> > > And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one other > woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) > > Ian > --001a114d9b3ea73e8e053b4ceff0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/AR= M).=C2=A0 I'm sorry I missed that meetup.

I've b= een thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area.=C2=A0 The= re seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking).<= /div>

O= n Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:2= 6 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>= wrote:

<= /div>

as a 9fan, I can = say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my neighborhood has d= oubled.
<= /blockquote>

And for the county it has at least tripled.=C2=A0 I heard at least one o= ther woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. =C2=A0:)

Ian

<= /div>

--001a114d9b3ea73e8e053b4ceff0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:34:22 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20160830173422.GB94137@wopr> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Jules Merit Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:41:04 -0700 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114995f2bd8ef3053b4e5229 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 994dd48a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a114995f2bd8ef3053b4e5229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing beautiful code that has already been done. Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" wrote: > I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm sorry I > missed that meetup. > > I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. > There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking). > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis < > michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < >> skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my >>> neighborhood has doubled. >>> >> >> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one other >> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >> >> Ian >> > --001a114995f2bd8ef3053b4e5229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is= writing beautiful code that has already been done.

Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
-- Russ Cox Cable von Shane

On Aug 30, 2016 1= 0:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

I heard that too (I thi= nk the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM).=C2=A0 I'm sorry I missed that me= etup.

I've been thinking about setting up a meetup f= or 9fans in Seattle area.=C2=A0 There seems to be renewed interest (or perh= aps it's my wishful thinking).

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelia= n ennis <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian= <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In= fact the population of 9fans in my neighborhood has doubled.
And for the county= it has at least tripled.=C2=A0 I heard at least one other woot for Plan9 a= t Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. =C2=A0:)

Ian

--001a114995f2bd8ef3053b4e5229-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Eduardo Alvarez Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:54:18 -0300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 99d8ea8e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took off. It would be a fun experiment. Eduardo Alvarez On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit wrote: > Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing beautiful > code that has already been done. > > Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. > -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane > > > On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" > wrote: >> >> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm sorry I >> missed that meetup. >> >> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. >> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking). >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >>> wrote: >>> >>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in >>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >>> >>> >>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one other >>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >>> >>> Ian From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Jules Merit Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:05:54 -0700 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11450cac8b6ca6053b4eab25 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 99fe5788-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a11450cac8b6ca6053b4eab25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I keep a NFS mount to parallel dev Linux Solaris Irix including ARM. It uses m4 as there is no compiler on Sol/Sgi. It was used to create 9p services and RC on all systems much like macros in assembler. There isn't much desire to port as most programs should be rethought. Today's programs are too monolithic and redundant. Break them up like cat/pipe find overlaps and turn them into modules callable with RC. --Bootes On Aug 30, 2016 11:55 AM, "Eduardo Alvarez" wrote: > I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to > plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting > up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed > computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we > even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 > seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest > challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took > off. It would be a fun experiment. > > Eduardo Alvarez > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit > wrote: > > Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing > beautiful > > code that has already been done. > > > > Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. > > -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane > > > > > > On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" > > > wrote: > >> > >> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm > sorry I > >> missed that meetup. > >> > >> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. > >> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful > thinking). > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in > >>>> my neighborhood has doubled. > >>> > >>> > >>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one other > >>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) > >>> > >>> Ian > > --001a11450cac8b6ca6053b4eab25 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I keep a NFS mount to parallel dev Linux Solaris Irix includ= ing ARM. It uses m4 as there is no compiler on Sol/Sgi. It was used to crea= te 9p services and RC on all systems much like macros in assembler.

There isn't much desire to port as most programs should = be rethought.=C2=A0 Today's programs are too monolithic and redundant. = Break them up like cat/pipe find overlaps and turn them into modules callab= le with RC.
--Bootes

On Aug 30, 2016 1= 1:55 AM, "Eduardo Alvarez" <astrochelonian@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener= than green when it comes to
plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting
up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed
computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we
even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9
seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest
challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took
off. It would be a fun experiment.

Eduardo Alvarez

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
<jules.merit.euroco= rp.us@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing b= eautiful
> code that has already been done.
>
> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM).=C2= =A0 I'm sorry I
>> missed that meetup.
>>
>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seat= tle area.
>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful= thinking).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
>> <michaelian.ennis= @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
>>> <skip.tavakko= lian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population= of 9fans in
>>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
>>>
>>>
>>> And for the county it has at least tripled.=C2=A0 I heard at l= east one other
>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week.=C2=A0= :)
>>>
>>> Ian

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In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:36:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0ba74812f4df053b4f1972 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a03dc30-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c0ba74812f4df053b4f1972 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It is straightforward and easy: https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez wrote: > I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to > plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting > up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed > computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we > even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 > seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest > challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took > off. It would be a fun experiment. > > Eduardo Alvarez > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit > wrote: > > Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing > beautiful > > code that has already been done. > > > > Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. > > -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane > > > > > > On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" > > > wrote: > >> > >> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm > sorry I > >> missed that meetup. > >> > >> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. > >> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful > thinking). > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in > >>>> my neighborhood has doubled. > >>> > >>> > >>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one other > >>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) > >>> > >>> Ian > > --94eb2c0ba74812f4df053b4f1972 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is straightforward and easy:

=
http=
s://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM E= duardo Alvarez <astrocheloni= an@gmail.com> wrote:

I mostl= y lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to
plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting
up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed
computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we
even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9
seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest
challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took
off. It would be a fun experiment.

Eduardo Alvarez

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
<= jules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing b= eautiful
> code that has already been done.
>
> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <skip.tavakkolian@gmail= .com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM).=C2= =A0 I'm sorry I
>> missed that meetup.
>>
>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seat= tle area.
>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful= thinking).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
>> <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population= of 9fans in
>>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
>>>
>>>
>>> And for the county it has at least tripled.=C2=A0 I heard at l= east one other
>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week.=C2=A0= :)
>>>
>>> Ian

--94eb2c0ba74812f4df053b4f1972-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 23:41:26 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a0fb546-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 skip: what is straightforward and easy? your link seems like google plus is shutting down, but your post is gone? i'd like it if people would stick to one medium: i don't want to be forced to use a web browser to participate in discussions on this mailing list. On 8/30/16, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > It is straightforward and easy: > > https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez > wrote: > >> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to >> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting >> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we >> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest >> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >> off. It would be a fun experiment. >> >> Eduardo Alvarez >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >> wrote: >> > Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing >> beautiful >> > code that has already been done. >> > >> > Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >> > -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >> > >> > >> > On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >> > > > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm >> sorry I >> >> missed that meetup. >> >> >> >> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle >> >> area. >> >> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful >> thinking). >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans >> >>>> in >> >>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one >> >>> other >> >>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >> >>> >> >>> Ian >> >> > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Steven Stallion Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a1bdeb6-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > i'd like it if people would stick to one medium: i don't want to be > forced to use a web browser to participate in discussions on this > mailing list. Sorry, I had to double check the date after reading this. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:02:38 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20160830220238.GA19159@wopr> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a225f70-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 04:58:18PM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:41 PM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > > i'd like it if people would stick to one medium: i don't want to be > > forced to use a web browser to participate in discussions on this > > mailing list. > > Sorry, I had to double check the date after reading this. > How did you do that? My web browser doesn't have a date command. I've been posting to instagram and reading the resulting timestamp. Is there a better way? khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 00:07:13 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a28903e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 you mean it's the day of the chrome OS? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160830220238.GA19159@wopr> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

<20160830220238.GA19159@wopr> From: Steven Stallion Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 17:10:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a2ec602-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > How did you do that? My web browser doesn't have a date command. I've > been posting to instagram and reading the resulting timestamp. Is there > a better way? http://www.time.gov/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Chris McGee Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-384D6C83-F544-4D80-B7C2-B3B92A0821F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:10:27 -0400 References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a3ed024-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail-384D6C83-F544-4D80-B7C2-B3B92A0821F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, controller, te= rminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'm hoping= to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just sensor/contro= l and plumb through 9P via UART pins. Chris > On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian = wrote: >=20 > It is straightforward and easy: >=20 > https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 >=20 >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez wrote: >> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to >> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting >> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we >> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest >> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >> off. It would be a fun experiment. >>=20 >> Eduardo Alvarez >>=20 >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >> wrote: >> > Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing beauti= ful >> > code that has already been done. >> > >> > Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >> > -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >> > >> > >> > On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm sor= ry I >> >> missed that meetup. >> >> >> >> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area= . >> >> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinkin= g). >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans i= n >> >>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one oth= er >> >>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >> >>> >> >>> Ian --Apple-Mail-384D6C83-F544-4D80-B7C2-B3B92A0821F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am about a quarter of the way to a s= imilar setup.

My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors,= controller, terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general ta= sks. I'm hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for jus= t sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins.

Chris

On= Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

It is straig=
htforward and easy:

https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846Kh=
BMM6

On Tue, Au= g 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com> wrote:

I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it c= omes to
plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting
up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed
computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we
even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9
seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest
challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took
off. It would be a fun experiment.

Eduardo Alvarez

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
<j= ules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing beauti= ful
> code that has already been done.
>
> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>=
> wrote:
>>
>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). = I'm sorry I
>> missed that meetup.
>>
>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle a= rea.
>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thin= king).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
>> <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population o= f 9fans in
>>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
>>>
>>>
>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at le= ast one other
>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >>>
>>> Ian

= --Apple-Mail-384D6C83-F544-4D80-B7C2-B3B92A0821F6-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Eduardo Alvarez Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:18:51 -0300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a513034-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to read. On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee wrote: > I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. > > My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, controller, > terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'm > hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just > sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins. > > Chris > > On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > > It is straightforward and easy: > > https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez > wrote: >> >> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to >> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting >> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we >> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest >> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >> off. It would be a fun experiment. >> >> Eduardo Alvarez >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >> wrote: >> > Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing >> > beautiful >> > code that has already been done. >> > >> > Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >> > -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >> > >> > >> > On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm >> >> sorry I >> >> missed that meetup. >> >> >> >> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. >> >> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful >> >> thinking). >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans >> >>>> in >> >>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one >> >>> other >> >>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >> >>> >> >>> Ian >> > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Chris McGee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:22:15 -0400 References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a58469e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Sure, I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions? Chris > On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez wr= ote: >=20 > Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to read.= >=20 >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee wrot= e: >> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. >>=20 >> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, controller,= >> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'm >> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just >> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins. >>=20 >> Chris >>=20 >> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> wrote: >>=20 >> It is straightforward and easy: >>=20 >> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 >>=20 >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to >>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting >>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we >>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest >>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >>> off. It would be a fun experiment. >>>=20 >>> Eduardo Alvarez >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >>> wrote: >>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing >>>> beautiful >>>> code that has already been done. >>>>=20 >>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm >>>>> sorry I >>>>> missed that meetup. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area= . >>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful >>>>> thinking). >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one >>>>>> other >>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ian >=20 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <252e238a6bafbbf4e8f8e02037124983@felloff.net> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 00:26:58 +0200 From: cinap_lenrek@felloff.net To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a5e9a30-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions? standard error. -- cinap From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 00:51:39 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0ba748a74209053b53803d Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a638946-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c0ba748a74209053b53803d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled quill/ink/parchment On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee wrote: > Sure, > > I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions? > > Chris > > > On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez > wrote: > > > > Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to > read. > > > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee > wrote: > >> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. > >> > >> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, > controller, > >> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'm > >> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just > >> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < > skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> It is straightforward and easy: > >> > >> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez < > astrochelonian@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to > >>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting > >>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed > >>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we > >>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 > >>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest > >>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took > >>> off. It would be a fun experiment. > >>> > >>> Eduardo Alvarez > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit > >>> wrote: > >>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing > >>>> beautiful > >>>> code that has already been done. > >>>> > >>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. > >>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" > >>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm > >>>>> sorry I > >>>>> missed that meetup. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle > area. > >>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful > >>>>> thinking). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one > >>>>>> other > >>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ian > > > > > --94eb2c0ba748a74209053b53803d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled = quill/ink/parchment

On T= ue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee <sirnewton_01@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Sure,

I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestio= ns?

Chris

> On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com> w= rote:
>
> Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to r= ead.
>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee <sirnewton_01@yahoo.ca> wro= te:
>> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup.
>>
>> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, = controller,
>> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks= . I'm
>> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for ju= st
>> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com<= /a>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is straightforward and easy:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTava= kkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when = it comes to
>>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing = setting
>>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed=
>>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hard= ware (we
>>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and pla= n 9
>>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The= biggest
>>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea neve= r took
>>> off. It would be a fun experiment.
>>>
>>> Eduardo Alvarez
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
>>> <jules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words = is writing
>>>> beautiful
>>>> code that has already been done.
>>>>
>>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
>>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian"
>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan = 9/ARM).=C2=A0 I'm
>>>>> sorry I
>>>>> missed that meetup.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9= fans in Seattle area.
>>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it'= s my wishful
>>>>> thinking).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
>>>>> <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian=
>>>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact th= e population of 9fans
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled.=C2=A0 = I heard at least one
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last= week.=C2=A0 :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>

--94eb2c0ba748a74209053b53803d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Chris McGee Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E7389FD4-4803-42F5-B197-1D505A2E9CB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <48C59634-A596-42B3-8D90-A5191E8EECEF@yahoo.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:35:13 -0400 References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a687492-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail-E7389FD4-4803-42F5-B197-1D505A2E9CB5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could put it up as a troff file on a 9P share but then how will people fin= d it and know when it's updated? There's got to be some medium that is palatable to both hard core and new us= ers. Chris > On Aug 30, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Skip Tavakkolian = wrote: >=20 > some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled quill/ink/parchm= ent >=20 >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee wrote= : >> Sure, >>=20 >> I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions= ? >>=20 >> Chris >>=20 >> > On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez = wrote: >> > >> > Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to re= ad. >> > >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee w= rote: >> >> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. >> >> >> >> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, controll= er, >> >> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'= m >> >> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just >> >> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins. >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> It is straightforward and easy: >> >> >> >> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to= >> >>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting= >> >>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >> >>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (w= e >> >>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >> >>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The bigges= t >> >>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >> >>> off. It would be a fun experiment. >> >>> >> >>> Eduardo Alvarez >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing >> >>>> beautiful >> >>>> code that has already been done. >> >>>> >> >>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >> >>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >> >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm >> >>>>> sorry I >> >>>>> missed that meetup. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle a= rea. >> >>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful >> >>>>> thinking). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fa= ns >> >>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one >> >>>>>> other >> >>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Ian >> > --Apple-Mail-E7389FD4-4803-42F5-B197-1D505A2E9CB5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I could put it up as a troff file on a= 9P share but then how will people find it and know when it's updated?

Ther= e's got to be some medium that is palatable to both hard core and new users.=

Chris

On Aug 30, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>= wrote:

some he= re still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled quill/ink/parchment
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 P= M Chris McGee <sirnewton_01@yaho= o.ca> wrote:
Sure,

I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions?
Chris

> On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com> wro= te:
>
> Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to re= ad.
>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee <sirnewton_01@yahoo.ca> wrote= :
>> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup.
>>
>> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, contr= oller,
>> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks.= I'm
>> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for jus= t
>> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is straightforward and easy:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakk= olian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com= >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it co= mes to
>>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing s= etting
>>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed<= br> >>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardw= are (we
>>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan= 9
>>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The b= iggest
>>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never= took
>>> off. It would be a fun experiment.
>>>
>>> Eduardo Alvarez
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
>>> <jules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is wr= iting
>>>> beautiful
>>>> code that has already been done.
>>>>
>>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
>>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian"
>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9= /ARM). I'm
>>>>> sorry I
>>>>> missed that meetup.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans i= n Seattle area.
>>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my w= ishful
>>>>> thinking).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
>>>>> <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian<= br> >>>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the= population of 9fans
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I= heard at least one
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week= . :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>

= --Apple-Mail-E7389FD4-4803-42F5-B197-1D505A2E9CB5-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Winston Kodogo Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:08:00 +1200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148733a1712df053b54915a Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a737ea0-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a1148733a1712df053b54915a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall while chewing broken glass to using this troff thing. In this case, the new-fangled stuff is just better, at least for normal people who just want to get stuff done. On 31 August 2016 at 12:51, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled > quill/ink/parchment > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee wrote: > >> Sure, >> >> I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions? >> >> Chris >> >> > On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez >> wrote: >> > >> > Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to >> read. >> > >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee >> wrote: >> >> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. >> >> >> >> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, >> controller, >> >> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'm >> >> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just >> >> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins. >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < >> skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> It is straightforward and easy: >> >> >> >> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez < >> astrochelonian@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to >> >>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting >> >>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >> >>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we >> >>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >> >>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest >> >>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >> >>> off. It would be a fun experiment. >> >>> >> >>> Eduardo Alvarez >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing >> >>>> beautiful >> >>>> code that has already been done. >> >>>> >> >>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >> >>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >> >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm >> >>>>> sorry I >> >>>>> missed that meetup. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle >> area. >> >>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful >> >>>>> thinking). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of >> 9fans >> >>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one >> >>>>>> other >> >>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Ian >> > >> >> >> --001a1148733a1712df053b54915a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repeatedly against = a brick wall while chewing broken glass to using this troff thing. In this = case, the new-fangled stuff is just better, at least for normal people who = just want to get stuff done.

On 31 August 2016 at 12:51, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to ne= w-fangled quill/ink/parchment

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee &l= t;sirnewton_01@y= ahoo.ca> wrote:
Sure,

I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestio= ns?

Chris

> On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com> w= rote:
>
> Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to r= ead.
>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee <sirnewton_01@yahoo.ca> wro= te:
>> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup.
>>
>> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, = controller,
>> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks= . I'm
>> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for ju= st
>> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com<= /a>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is straightforward and easy:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/+Ski= pTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when = it comes to
>>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing = setting
>>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed=
>>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hard= ware (we
>>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and pla= n 9
>>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The= biggest
>>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea neve= r took
>>> off. It would be a fun experiment.
>>>
>>> Eduardo Alvarez
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
>>> <jules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words = is writing
>>>> beautiful
>>>> code that has already been done.
>>>>
>>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
>>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian"
>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan = 9/ARM).=C2=A0 I'm
>>>>> sorry I
>>>>> missed that meetup.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9= fans in Seattle area.
>>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it'= s my wishful
>>>>> thinking).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
>>>>> <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian=
>>>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact th= e population of 9fans
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled.=C2=A0 = I heard at least one
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last= week.=C2=A0 :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>

--001a1148733a1712df053b54915a-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Winston Kodogo Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:11:07 +1200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11352ae04574a2053b549c15 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a7ca764-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a11352ae04574a2053b549c15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And, on a related note: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of-firefox/ On 31 August 2016 at 14:08, Winston Kodogo wrote: > Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall > while chewing broken glass to using this troff thing. In this case, the > new-fangled stuff is just better, at least for normal people who just want > to get stuff done. > > On 31 August 2016 at 12:51, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > >> some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled >> quill/ink/parchment >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee >> wrote: >> >>> Sure, >>> >>> I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> > On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to >>> read. >>> > >>> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee >>> wrote: >>> >> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. >>> >> >>> >> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, >>> controller, >>> >> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. >>> I'm >>> >> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just >>> >> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins. >>> >> >>> >> Chris >>> >> >>> >> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < >>> skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> It is straightforward and easy: >>> >> >>> >> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez < >>> astrochelonian@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to >>> >>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting >>> >>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >>> >>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware >>> (we >>> >>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >>> >>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The >>> biggest >>> >>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >>> >>> off. It would be a fun experiment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Eduardo Alvarez >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing >>> >>>> beautiful >>> >>>> code that has already been done. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >>> >>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >>> >>>> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm >>> >>>>> sorry I >>> >>>>> missed that meetup. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle >>> area. >>> >>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful >>> >>>>> thinking). >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of >>> 9fans >>> >>>>>>> in >>> >>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one >>> >>>>>> other >>> >>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Ian >>> > >>> >>> >>> > --001a11352ae04574a2053b549c15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 31 August 2016 at 14:08,= Winston Kodogo <kodogo@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah, but me, I prefer banging my head repe= atedly against a brick wall while chewing broken glass to using this troff = thing. In this case, the new-fangled stuff is just better, at least for nor= mal people who just want to get stuff done.
=

On 31 August 2016 at 12:51, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@g= mail.com> wrote:
some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled quill/in= k/parchment

On= Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM Chris McGee <sirnewton_01@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Sure,

I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestio= ns?

Chris

> On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com> w= rote:
>
> Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to r= ead.
>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee <sirnewton_01@yahoo.ca> wro= te:
>> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup.
>>
>> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, = controller,
>> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks= . I'm
>> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for ju= st
>> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com<= /a>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is straightforward and easy:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez <astrochelonian@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when = it comes to
>>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing = setting
>>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed=
>>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hard= ware (we
>>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and pla= n 9
>>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The= biggest
>>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea neve= r took
>>> off. It would be a fun experiment.
>>>
>>> Eduardo Alvarez
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
>>> <jules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words = is writing
>>>> beautiful
>>>> code that has already been done.
>>>>
>>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
>>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian"
>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan = 9/ARM).=C2=A0 I'm
>>>>> sorry I
>>>>> missed that meetup.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9= fans in Seattle area.
>>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it'= s my wishful
>>>>> thinking).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
>>>>> <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian=
>>>>>> <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact th= e population of 9fans
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled.=C2=A0 = I heard at least one
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last= week.=C2=A0 :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>

--001a11352ae04574a2053b549c15-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:48:06 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> References:

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a83292c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:51:39AM +0000, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > some here still prefer hammer/chisel/stone to new-fangled > quill/ink/parchment Before I die, I'll figure out why it offends some of you so much that a few of us use plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. Meanwhile, I don't think it's a wildly unreasonable request that a five-sentence text post be reproduced within the medium used to discuss it. But I know, I know, pasting is hard. I apologize on hiro's behalf for this gross intrusion on your freedom. To Mr. McGee: just go ahead and put your output wherever. Those of us who are interested in the content are accustomed to adapting to other people's preferred workflows. The rest of list will continue shitposting about their utopian javascript-based society regardless. Until recently it was the Cult of Mac; I look forward to being scoffed at from within a VR headset soon. khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 22:52:31 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a879886-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. put up or shut up: % for (i in (rpi2 snssrv bootes mikro)) { cpu -h $i -c 'uptime && cat ''#''P/cputype' } rpi2 up 121 days, 14:17:03 ARM 1176JZF-S 700 snssrv up 88 days, 04:42:19 P6 1694 bootes up 162 days, 09:42:41 Atom 1801 mikro up 0 days, 00:09:04 MIPS 24k 680 and also: ec2 156108 0:38 0:07 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156113 0:20 0:03 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156126 0:23 0:04 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156127 0:27 0:04 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156128 0:13 0:02 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156129 0:20 0:04 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156130 0:00 0:00 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156131 0:24 0:04 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156132 0:21 0:04 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156136 0:34 0:04 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156137 0:39 0:10 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156138 0:00 0:00 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156142 0:02 0:00 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156143 0:00 0:00 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 156144 0:00 0:00 795188K Semacqui 9pcloud ec2 418417 0:00 0:00 92K Exec grep 9pcloud cpu% uptime i-b363c1b9 up 224 days, 05:45:56 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 23:40:10 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a8c35a8-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. > > put up or shut up: Sorry, I can't win uptime games, as the kernel I use is maintained. To my great regret, instead of six hundred 50MFLOPS computers I don't use, I only have three or four real computers that I do :( Congratulations on your accomplishments! khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Brantley Coile In-reply-to: <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 03:58:18 -0400 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9a902050-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Funny you should mention uptime. A few days ago someone sent us a system sta= tus report we use to support our Plan 9 based SR customers and their system h= ad been up for over 2,000 days. I thought our file server being up two years= was impressive ... Until I saw that.=20 Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >>> plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. >>=20 >> put up or shut up: >=20 > Sorry, I can't win uptime games, as the kernel I use is maintained. > To my great regret, instead of six hundred 50MFLOPS computers I don't > use, I only have three or four real computers that I do :( >=20 > Congratulations on your accomplishments! >=20 > khm >=20 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com>

From: Eduardo Alvarez Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:04:56 -0300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9ab37276-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Whatever you like is fine. I'm not picky. On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Chris McGee wrote: > Sure, > > I'm looking for plan9 user/enthusiast appropriate medium. Any suggestions? > > Chris > >> On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eduardo Alvarez wrote: >> >> Are you keeping your progess public? It would be very educational to read. >> >>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Chris McGee wrote: >>> I am about a quarter of the way to a similar setup. >>> >>> My goal is to have a specialty for each of the Pi's (sensors, controller, >>> terminal, router) without preventing them from doing general tasks. I'm >>> hoping to eventually connect up some Pi zeros as leaf nodes for just >>> sensor/control and plumb through 9P via UART pins. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >>> wrote: >>> >>> It is straightforward and easy: >>> >>> https://plus.google.com/+SkipTavakkolian/posts/Fb846KhBMM6 >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Eduardo Alvarez >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to >>>> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting >>>> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed >>>> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we >>>> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9 >>>> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest >>>> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took >>>> off. It would be a fun experiment. >>>> >>>> Eduardo Alvarez >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit >>>> wrote: >>>>> Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing >>>>> beautiful >>>>> code that has already been done. >>>>> >>>>> Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate. >>>>> -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM). I'm >>>>>> sorry I >>>>>> missed that meetup. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area. >>>>>> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful >>>>>> thinking). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> my neighborhood has doubled. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And for the county it has at least tripled. I heard at least one >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian >> > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> From: Steven Stallion Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:55:09 -0500 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9ac6240c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. >> >> put up or shut up: > ... > Congratulations on your accomplishments! % fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/patch/^(applied maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} % ck sstallion@gmail.com 28 % ck khm@sciops.net 0 Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory session than for being an incorrigible troll. Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: stanley lieber Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:36:09 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9acb4716-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Steven Stallion wrote: >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. >>> >>> put up or shut up: >> ... >> Congratulations on your accomplishments! > >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/patch/^(applied >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} >% ck sstallion@gmail.com > 28 >% ck khm@sciops.net > 0 > >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory >session than for being an incorrigible troll. > >Steve What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to questions= from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan 9 = without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't really= referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every. Sin= gle. Time. What is the point? What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply some t= he availability of some facility for process migration? You know none exi= sts. The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual suspec= ts where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or denigratin= g the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. First various ribb= ons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns are displayed an= d then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 users are cave men = clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever precisely becaus= e their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but again, what is = the point? How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs? My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual denunc= iation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney! The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality trollin= g, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for being Plan 9 Ga= ndalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of speaking in= words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions upon the= sacred world wide web, bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue. Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after Goo= gle found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. sl From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:03:22 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20160831190322.GA35221@wopr> References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9acfcc0a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:55:09PM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote: > Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory > session than for being an incorrigible troll. You know we forked the operating system, right? I know it's hard to keep track of things since google reader went down. And google code search went down. And google code went down. At least we'll always have google plus. You'll find, however, that what code I do write doesn't wind up there OR on whatever servers Nokia has forgotten to unplug. Anyway, as a systems administrator, I help out by providing hosting for various needful things, as sl mentioned, and by providing quasi-reliable hosting services for 9front users who don't want to send money to AWS every month. I know this is possibly the worst crime a human being can commit, but I don't really enjoy programming -- I just like to use the software. How's that for a one-two punch? khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> In-Reply-To: <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:59:08 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c113362ef5f87053b645e75 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9addfb5e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c113362ef5f87053b645e75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote: > Steven Stallion wrote: > > >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. > >>> > >>> put up or shut up: > >> ... > >> Congratulations on your accomplishments! > > > >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/patch/^(applied > >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} > >% ck sstallion@gmail.com > > 28 > >% ck khm@sciops.net > > 0 > > > >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory > >session than for being an incorrigible troll. > > > >Steve > > What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to questions > from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan 9 > without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't really > referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every. > Single. Time. What is the point? > you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, system admin or programming. easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured your fs and auth". adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and /cfg/pxe is as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the same kernel. please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be sufficient. regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked about at IWP9 2010. i've shared as much detail as i could. > What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply some > the availability of some facility for process migration? You know none > exists. > > The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual > suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or > denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. First > various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns are > displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 users are > cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever precisely > because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but again, what > is the point? > > How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs? > > My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual > denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney! > > The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality > trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for being Plan > 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of speaking > in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions upon the > sacred world wide web, > bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue. > and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true keepers of the faith, beating back the evildoers. > > Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after > Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. > > sl > > > > > > > --94eb2c113362ef5f87053b645e75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed= , Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:

St= even Stallion <= sstallion@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:<= br> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>>>
>>> put up or shut up:
>> ...
>> Congratulations on your accomplishments!
>
>% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/patch/^(applied >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l}
>% ck sstallion= @gmail.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A028
>% ck khm@sciops.net=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0
>
>Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory
>session than for being an incorrigible troll.
>
>Steve

What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to questio= ns from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan 9 = without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't = really referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every.= Single. Time. What is the point?

you&#= 39;re assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, system a= dmin or programming.

easy means: "no differen= t than setting up a cpu once you've configured your fs and auth". = =C2=A0adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and /cfg/pxe is as e= asy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the same kerne= l.

please take the hyperbole down a bit or=C2=A0provide instances for what you claim i did. t= he internet has a long memory; http links would be sufficient.

regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progr= ess i talked about at IWP9 2010. =C2=A0i've shared as much detail as i = could.

What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to impl= y some the availability of some facility for process migration? You know no= ne exists.

The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual suspects= where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or denigratin= g the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. First various ribbon= s and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns are displayed and th= en the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 users are cave men clingi= ng to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever precisely because their = target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but again, what is the po= int?

How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs?

My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual denuncia= tion of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney!

The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality trolling,= performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for being Plan 9 Gandal= fs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of speaking in words= that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions upon the sacred = world wide web,
bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue.

and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true ke= epers of the faith, beating back the evildoers.

=C2=A0

Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after Googl= e found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt.

sl

--94eb2c113362ef5f87053b645e75-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: stanley lieber Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 17:36:53 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <72f15b81-8550-44f7-9823-87100bd68978@email.android.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9ae31fda-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote: > >> Steven Stallion wrote: >> >> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier >wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. >> >>> >> >>> put up or shut up: >> >> ... >> >> Congratulations on your accomplishments! >> > >> >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email >/n/sources/patch/^(applied >> >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} >> >% ck sstallion@gmail.com >> > 28 >> >% ck khm@sciops.net >> > 0 >> > >> >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory >> >session than for being an incorrigible troll. >> > >> >Steve >> >> What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to >questions >> from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan >9 >> without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't >really >> referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every. >> Single. Time. What is the point? >> > >you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, >system >admin or programming. > >easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured >your >fs and auth". adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and >/cfg/pxe is >as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the >same >kernel. > >please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you >claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be >sufficient. > >regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked >about >at IWP9 2010. i've shared as much detail as i could. > > >> What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply >some >> the availability of some facility for process migration? You know >none >> exists. >> >> The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual >> suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or >> denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. >First >> various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns >are >> displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 >users are >> cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever >precisely >> because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but >again, what >> is the point? >> >> How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs? >> >> My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual >> denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney! >> >> The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality >> trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for >being Plan >> 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of >speaking >> in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions >upon the >> sacred world wide web, >> bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue. >> > >and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true >keepers of >the faith, beating back the evildoers. > > >> >> Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after >> Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. >> >> sl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "your ilk" What does that mean, exactly, Skip? http://fqa.9front.org What I say is that Plan 9 runs on my computer and I use it to do the thin= gs I use computers for. Documentation of the hows and whys can be found a= t the URL above. 9fans manage to consistently make fun of this idea while= somehow simultaneously retaining an incredibly easily offended sense of = ownership over anything mentioned on 9fans since 1993. Which is the real = you? And why do quips become verboten only after you've contributed the q= uips you wanted to contribute? It's not so much keeping the flame as it is simply wanting to run the sof= tware to actually do things, and realizing that waiting for the last rema= ining Bell Labs staff working on Plan 9 to jump ship is a poor strategy f= or keeping the OS alive. We forked, and the OS lives. Oblique references to a talk given six years ago about a project the deta= ils of which you can't reveal publicly is a good example of what I'm desc= ribing in this thread. What does this innuendo illuminate? Who does it he= lp? Why even mention it when you can't elaborate? And this is what you da= ngle just over the heads of newbs? How about providing instead actual adv= ice on how to get the OS to do something useful? The best part about your challenge to produce links is that the 9fans web= archive has been offline for close to a year. People objected when I mad= e the claim 9fans quit bothering with Plan 9, but the status quo leans fa= rther and farther away from it with each passing year. Alcatel-Lucent had= to be pestered on Twitter just to get the sources machine back online. sl From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72f15b81-8550-44f7-9823-87100bd68978@email.android.com> References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> <72f15b81-8550-44f7-9823-87100bd68978@email.android.com> From: Winston Kodogo Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:53:45 +1200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114416ce8f2cac053b69523d Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9ae8499c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a114416ce8f2cac053b69523d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, the meaning of the word "ilk" has always puzzled me. As in "Sir Robert Pike of that Ilk". But then I'm not Scottish. Or Scotch, whichever is correct. Me, I still lend a fraction of an ear to this group in the increasingly vain hope of learning something. Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to get stuff done. I just like to look at the code from time to time. I'm with Carmack on Plan9 circa 1997: " It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that. Also, don't be mean to Skip! On 1 September 2016 at 09:36, stanley lieber wrote: > Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote: > > > >> Steven Stallion wrote: > >> > >> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier > >wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. > >> >>> > >> >>> put up or shut up: > >> >> ... > >> >> Congratulations on your accomplishments! > >> > > >> >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email > >/n/sources/patch/^(applied > >> >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} > >> >% ck sstallion@gmail.com > >> > 28 > >> >% ck khm@sciops.net > >> > 0 > >> > > >> >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory > >> >session than for being an incorrigible troll. > >> > > >> >Steve > >> > >> What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to > >questions > >> from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan > >9 > >> without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't > >really > >> referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every. > >> Single. Time. What is the point? > >> > > > >you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, > >system > >admin or programming. > > > >easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured > >your > >fs and auth". adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and > >/cfg/pxe is > >as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the > >same > >kernel. > > > >please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you > >claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be > >sufficient. > > > >regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked > >about > >at IWP9 2010. i've shared as much detail as i could. > > > > > >> What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply > >some > >> the availability of some facility for process migration? You know > >none > >> exists. > >> > >> The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual > >> suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or > >> denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. > >First > >> various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns > >are > >> displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 > >users are > >> cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever > >precisely > >> because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but > >again, what > >> is the point? > >> > >> How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs? > >> > >> My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual > >> denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney! > >> > >> The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality > >> trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for > >being Plan > >> 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of > >speaking > >> in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions > >upon the > >> sacred world wide web, > >> bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue. > >> > > > >and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true > >keepers of > >the faith, beating back the evildoers. > > > > > >> > >> Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after > >> Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. > >> > >> sl > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > "your ilk" > > What does that mean, exactly, Skip? > > http://fqa.9front.org > > What I say is that Plan 9 runs on my computer and I use it to do the > things I use computers for. Documentation of the hows and whys can be found > at the URL above. 9fans manage to consistently make fun of this idea while > somehow simultaneously retaining an incredibly easily offended sense of > ownership over anything mentioned on 9fans since 1993. Which is the real > you? And why do quips become verboten only after you've contributed the > quips you wanted to contribute? > > It's not so much keeping the flame as it is simply wanting to run the > software to actually do things, and realizing that waiting for the last > remaining Bell Labs staff working on Plan 9 to jump ship is a poor strategy > for keeping the OS alive. We forked, and the OS lives. > > Oblique references to a talk given six years ago about a project the > details of which you can't reveal publicly is a good example of what I'm > describing in this thread. What does this innuendo illuminate? Who does it > help? Why even mention it when you can't elaborate? And this is what you > dangle just over the heads of newbs? How about providing instead actual > advice on how to get the OS to do something useful? > > The best part about your challenge to produce links is that the 9fans web > archive has been offline for close to a year. People objected when I made > the claim 9fans quit bothering with Plan 9, but the status quo leans > farther and farther away from it with each passing year. Alcatel-Lucent had > to be pestered on Twitter just to get the sources machine back online. > > sl > > > > --001a114416ce8f2cac053b69523d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, the meaning of the word "ilk" has alw= ays puzzled me. As in "Sir Robert Pike of that Ilk". But then I&#= 39;m not Scottish. Or Scotch, whichever is correct. Me, I still lend a frac= tion of an ear to this group in the increasingly vain hope of learning some= thing.

Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to= get stuff done. I just like to look at the code from time to time. I'm= with Carmack on Plan9 circa 1997: " It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that.=

Also, don't be mean to Skip!

On 1 September 2016 at 09= :36, stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:

Skip Tavakkolian <= skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:
>
>> Steven Stallion <sstalli= on@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net>
>wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolia= n wrote:
>> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>> >>>
>> >>> put up or shut up:
>> >> ...
>> >> Congratulations on your accomplishments!
>> >
>> >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email
>/n/sources/patch/^(applied
>> >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l}
>> >% ck sstallion@gmail.co= m
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A028
>> >% ck khm@sciops.net
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0
>> >
>> >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturb= atory
>> >session than for being an incorrigible troll.
>> >
>> >Steve
>>
>> What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply t= o
>questions
>> from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on P= lan
>9
>> without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you ar= en't
>really
>> referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Ever= y.
>> Single. Time. What is the point?
>>
>
>you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing,=
>system
>admin or programming.
>
>easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've co= nfigured
>your
>fs and auth".=C2=A0 adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/loc= al and
>/cfg/pxe is
>as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the >same
>kernel.
>
>please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you<= br> >claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be
>sufficient.
>
>regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked
>about
>at IWP9 2010.=C2=A0 i've shared as much detail as i could.
>
>
>> What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mea= n to imply
>some
>> the availability of some facility for process migration? You know<= br> >none
>> exists.
>>
>> The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual=
>> suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promot= ing or
>> denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. >First
>> various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaig= ns
>are
>> displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9<= br> >users are
>> cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever<= br> >precisely
>> because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, bu= t
>again, what
>> is the point?
>>
>> How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs?
>>
>> My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual=
>> denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shan= ey!
>>
>> The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality<= br> >> trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for >being Plan
>> 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of<= br> >speaking
>> in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions=
>upon the
>> sacred world wide web,
>> bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue.
>>
>
>and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true
>keepers of
>the faith, beating back the evildoers.
>
>
>>
>> Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, af= ter
>> Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. >>
>> sl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

"your ilk"

What does that mean, exactly, Skip?

http= ://fqa.9front.org

What I say is that Plan 9 runs on my computer and I use it to do the things= I use computers for. Documentation of the hows and whys can be found at th= e URL above. 9fans manage to consistently make fun of this idea while someh= ow simultaneously retaining an incredibly easily offended sense of ownershi= p over anything mentioned on 9fans since 1993. Which is the real you? And w= hy do quips become verboten only after you've contributed the quips you= wanted to contribute?

It's not so much keeping the flame as it is simply wanting to run the s= oftware to actually do things, and realizing that waiting for the last rema= ining Bell Labs staff working on Plan 9 to jump ship is a poor strategy for= keeping the OS alive. We forked, and the OS lives.

Oblique references to a talk given six years ago about a project the detail= s of which you can't reveal publicly is a good example of what I'm = describing in this thread. What does this innuendo illuminate? Who does it = help? Why even mention it when you can't elaborate? And this is what yo= u dangle just over the heads of newbs? How about providing instead actual a= dvice on how to get the OS to do something useful?

The best part about your challenge to produce links is that the 9fans web a= rchive has been offline for close to a year. People objected when I made th= e claim 9fans quit bothering with Plan 9, but the status quo leans farther = and farther away from it with each passing year. Alcatel-Lucent had to be p= estered on Twitter just to get the sources machine back online.

sl

--001a114416ce8f2cac053b69523d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:54:47 +0200 From: Julius Schmidt To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> <72f15b81-8550-44f7-9823-87100bd68978@email.android.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LNX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9aed77c8-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to get stuff done. I just like > to look at the code from time to time. I'm with Carmack on Plan9 circa 1997: > " It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface that > has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that. Two more decades of what? Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 2016 still function largely like Windows 95. Incremental improvements, but no major innovations. Some bad mistakes (ribbons...). The best part is web interfaces, which continue to poorly imitate what Win95 could do 20 years ago. I'd rather stick to rio. aiju From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> From: fgergo@gmail.com Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:21:03 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9af26198-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 "the internet has a long memory" for the record: for the last ~20 years on 9fans and during the few iwp9s I could join, I've always received helpful answers and insights. Thanks to everybody who could help! (Richard, Skip, Charles, Brucee, Brantley too many to list.) I plan to stay for the next 20. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote: >> >> Steven Stallion wrote: >> >> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. >> >>> >> >>> put up or shut up: >> >> ... >> >> Congratulations on your accomplishments! >> > >> >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/patch/^(applied >> >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} >> >% ck sstallion@gmail.com >> > 28 >> >% ck khm@sciops.net >> > 0 >> > >> >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory >> >session than for being an incorrigible troll. >> > >> >Steve >> >> What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to questions >> from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan 9 >> without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't really >> referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every. Single. >> Time. What is the point? > > > you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, system > admin or programming. > > easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured your > fs and auth". adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and /cfg/pxe is > as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the same > kernel. > > please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you claim > i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be sufficient. > > regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked about at > IWP9 2010. i've shared as much detail as i could. > >> >> What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply some >> the availability of some facility for process migration? You know none >> exists. >> >> The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual >> suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or >> denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. First >> various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns are >> displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 users are >> cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever precisely >> because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but again, what >> is the point? >> >> How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs? >> >> My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual >> denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney! >> >> The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality >> trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for being Plan >> 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of speaking >> in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions upon the >> sacred world wide web, >> bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue. > > > and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true keepers of > the faith, beating back the evildoers. > >> >> >> Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after >> Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. >> >> sl >> >> >> >> >> >> > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> <72f15b81-8550-44f7-9823-87100bd68978@email.android.com> From: Winston Kodogo Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 11:01:31 +1200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c113d10e439f6053b7a310b Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9b3e47f2-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c113d10e439f6053b7a310b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 "Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 2016 still function largely like Windows 95." Oddly, that's not true. Mind you, I've always been a Mac user. But I've recently been spending some time in Excel VBA under Windows 10, and the interface in the editor is still pure Windows 95,and boy does it ever show. But yeah, the ribbon is a disaster. To the extent that people make money selling add-ins to restore the classic menus. On 1 September 2016 at 19:54, Julius Schmidt wrote: > Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to get stuff done. I just like >> to look at the code from time to time. I'm with Carmack on Plan9 circa >> 1997: >> " It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface that >> has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that. >> > > Two more decades of what? > > Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 2016 still function largely like > Windows 95. > Incremental improvements, but no major innovations. > Some bad mistakes (ribbons...). > > The best part is web interfaces, which continue to poorly imitate what > Win95 could do 20 years ago. > > I'd rather stick to rio. > > aiju > > --94eb2c113d10e439f6053b7a310b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 20= 16 still function largely like
Windows 95."

Oddly, that's not true. Mind you, I'= ve always been a Mac user. But I've recently been spending some time in= Excel VBA under Windows 10, and the interface in the editor is still pure = Windows 95,and boy does it ever show.

But yeah, the ribbon is = a disaster. To the extent that people make money selling add-ins to restore= the classic menus.

On 1 September 2016 at 19:54, Julius Schmidt = <aiju@phicode.de> wrote:

Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to get stuff done. I just l= ike
to look at the code from time to time. I'm with Carmack on Plan9 circa = 1997:
" It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface = that
has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that.=

Two more decades of what?

Unless you count mobile devices, UIs in 2016 still function largely like Windows 95.
Incremental improvements, but no major innovations.
Some bad mistakes (ribbons...).

The best part is web interfaces, which continue to poorly imitate what
Win95 could do 20 years ago.

I'd rather stick to rio.

aiju

--94eb2c113d10e439f6053b7a310b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:02:34 -0700 From: David Walther To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20160915100234.GB27256@reactor-core.org> References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <20160823021454.GA4212@staven.pl> <20160823053015.GA556@polynum.com> <20160823070510.GA2291@reactor-core.org> <20160823195259.GA33831@wopr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160823195259.GA33831@wopr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9e732802-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:52:59PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote: >On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:05:10AM -0700, David Walther wrote: >> Then the whiskey wore off. > >[citation needed] http://www.ulisp.com/ http://flashforth.com/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57BB9228.5070600@gmail.com> <20160823021454.GA4212@staven.pl> <20160823053015.GA556@polynum.com> <20160823070510.GA2291@reactor-core.org> <20160823195259.GA33831@wopr> <20160915100234.GB27256@reactor-core.org>

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In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9e96116e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail-A12AD3A6-B82E-4AFB-8BE4-2E53B1D853C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Winston Kodogo wrote: > > And, on a related note: > > https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of-firefox/ > > consistency across apps Press escape in iTunes. Press escape in DVD player. :-( V/r, Bryan Sent from my iPhone --Apple-Mail-A12AD3A6-B82E-4AFB-8BE4-2E53B1D853C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Winston Kodogo <kodogo@gmail.com> wrote:

And, on a related note:
<= br>https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of-firefo= x/

=
= > consistency a= cross apps

<= span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">V/r,
Bryan

Sent from my iPhone

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