From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31737 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2022 23:09:42 -0000 Received: from tb-ob1.topicbox.com (64.147.108.173) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 Mar 2022 23:09:42 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF74343FC for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:09:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bounce.mM18ed9c97f727cbf7c93d2d81.r522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa@9fans.bounce.topicbox.com) Received: by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix, from userid 1132) id 1ACF42D57FE6; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:09:41 -0400 (EDT) ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; topicbox.com; arc=pass; dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=HnaUk71+ header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=morrow.stuart@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-oi1-f172.google.com; x-internal-arc=fail (as.1.topicbox.com=pass, ams.1.topicbox.com=fail (message has been altered)) (Message modified while forwarding at Topicbox) ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= topicbox.com; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:list-help:list-id:list-post :list-subscribe:reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :list-unsubscribe; s=sysmsg-1; t=1647990580; bh=ycp4KyPVziKAfHWa lFnkDheAmKw+agSjkQ4rEDpWYYc=; b=PhOVbtD9j3NEZxOJOP/jB30rbEWcDB69 HsMpFZ9/ujXMW3CuSXYdMLQ/aJX6S/KUE8dyEzu/LVgSmysS8m4g+9E/+wrgErVh YL9QNUWNsbKOe2MozNX7TgKm5eEUqOaUepwfZnDl0eVIWWQNG3aX9xEPJhXVyfj9 2n0VfBmaX3s= ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; cv=pass; d=topicbox.com; s=sysmsg-1; t= 1647990580; b=AfAoxV7t6LRP1tBeJlzYi1kYShVDaS+pExpaq85O0ZszzsiZvS Gv5XFHgBhDLGWb+I0Hp4phjAUQuKRq3PRugV38TcgAQmzK2VCIsXKiu+he9WnFxX hX4S1Q8hHzeIq2buCKPSe8PV0VEIJSW/LOrvTRcYIhyu36wAKuSa0xu/A= Authentication-Results: topicbox.com; arc=pass; dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=HnaUk71+ header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=morrow.stuart@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-oi1-f172.google.com; x-internal-arc=fail (as.1.topicbox.com=pass, ams.1.topicbox.com=fail (message has been altered)) (Message modified while forwarding at Topicbox) X-Received-Authentication-Results: tb-mx1.topicbox.com; arc=none (no signatures found); bimi=skipped (DMARC Policy is not at enforcement); dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=HnaUk71+ header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; iprev=pass smtp.remote-ip=209.85.167.172 (mail-oi1-f172.google.com); spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=morrow.stuart@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-oi1-f172.google.com; x-aligned-from=pass (Address match); x-google-dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key) header.d=1e100.net header.i=@1e100.net header.b=boo5Iy7A; x-me-sender=none; x-ptr=pass smtp.helo=mail-oi1-f172.google.com policy.ptr=mail-oi1-f172.google.com; x-return-mx=pass header.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-return-mx=pass smtp.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-tls=pass smtp.version=TLSv1.2 smtp.cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 smtp.bits=256/256; x-vs=clean score=0 state=0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=9fans.net; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject :to:content-type:list-help:list-id:list-post:list-subscribe :reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:list-unsubscribe; s=dkim-1; bh=1T3YDcpcz3eZeaDGfY3Dojt/i4CjY5BRSd62t5OeJU4=; b=dSY0J3soJDzr ojINAki0TJ54Il2C5KvV5wHteuaAwzh/HOFticLzWmfnITfDb0aFzqbb65zlpuT+ gacK75u1JiOEsrckSi0NUahPD5fVfuahnPq7hKMeIcBHupXA5AqlMYlejM0nVzya rmt59sbUnPukrHzektm+ak0sehU6KMo= Received: from tb-mx1.topicbox.com (localhost.local [127.0.0.1]) by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885A012506F1 for <9fans@9fans.net>; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:09:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from morrow.stuart@gmail.com) Received: from tb-mx1.topicbox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Authentication Milter) with ESMTP id AA3EABC25DF; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:09:26 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; d=topicbox.com; s=arcseal; t= 1647990566; b=BIU5AR1wdoKcPlYiMMx2/Mm8fncBKoAQxZ1542X3pMwAQhjtJ2 GEEWqxX6CZwmpLzTZnL+rd4yV1GEPgntuaRXPGgeC/sWoQPu8+NUSpciB8wgNioq ECnuAfKdzmzaTApjlT3dh6M1baJ+Gf7hSGxa8oB4qu0eel9LtbxTsE2vqknGo0LL bxsSQ/2gNiYsRLlbFrTCq8KtoqX1VVKQYtk0cb077yOaokn/746EEIzRtqA2A2BT bcmCrVsmwfWbYNzlmcSh8+12BvqDmu+xcJ3NS3BPkI2IBCADQtYMW3vs/teY1ULw JH64MfgyLPQOKEyt8Rm2fmRhypTXWKg8JSRA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= topicbox.com; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; s=arcseal; t=1647990566; bh=q2Ow1go5VySPvcUjacBDU5+eCNRQFtmg6Mmeza4Plag=; b=r5w2goOa3+nU uWoPS4AUdlZ/8FvJNmqz98rDxXs5An/bInvHZKwGGZkamfabfvTn3hGOhCV4yHSm iHSKoBTaj0b2dWRY4HHK3nEXkibRZfvCojAhHWstsXiX5BpdmrBLSDR3WUfPzznJ wJ1cA4sNp6MDdgeX5+YQUUX3NwA3RSyzbAd+L9sH/4ZXliIqkC9bNck72dOns+n7 5WFGU4I218NFfayoPsOKnSMLWTcqn5SXliVFKf8GqbzhF13PZeAnasizPTO/ATWq QLXKWdOkbV6RoATuMnnw+DcRm2fLhNaoDbXg5Nj89QhSSZP4myGlF0nRAhMdd26J nqCEcRdtbg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; tb-mx1.topicbox.com; arc=none (no signatures found); bimi=skipped (DMARC Policy is not at enforcement); dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=HnaUk71+ header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; iprev=pass smtp.remote-ip=209.85.167.172 (mail-oi1-f172.google.com); spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=morrow.stuart@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-oi1-f172.google.com; x-aligned-from=pass (Address match); x-google-dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key) header.d=1e100.net header.i=@1e100.net header.b=boo5Iy7A; x-me-sender=none; x-ptr=pass smtp.helo=mail-oi1-f172.google.com policy.ptr=mail-oi1-f172.google.com; x-return-mx=pass header.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-return-mx=pass smtp.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-tls=pass smtp.version=TLSv1.2 smtp.cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 smtp.bits=256/256; x-vs=clean score=0 state=0 X-ME-VSCause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddrudefkeculddtuddrgeduledrtddtmdcute fuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpggftfghnshhu sghstghrihgsvgdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecune cujfgurhepjghfhfffkffuvfgtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpefuthhurghrthcu ofhorhhrohifuceomhhorhhrohifrdhsthhurghrthesghhmrghilhdrtghomheqnecugg ftrfgrthhtvghrnhepteeikeeiteeffeevteelgfeggfefffdutdeuheduffdthffgveet ffeifeehiedunecuffhomhgrihhnpeifihhkihhmvgguihgrrdhorhhgnecukfhppedvtd elrdekhedrudeijedrudejvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhep ihhnvghtpedvtdelrdekhedrudeijedrudejvddphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdqohhiuddqfh dujedvrdhgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeomhhorhhrohifrdhsthhu rghrthesghhmrghilhdrtghomheq X-ME-VSScore: 0 X-ME-VSCategory: clean Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com ... _spf.google.com: Sender is authorized to use 'morrow.stuart@gmail.com' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'include:_netblocks.google.com' matched)) receiver=tb-mx1.topicbox.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="morrow.stuart@gmail.com"; helo=mail-oi1-f172.google.com; client-ip=209.85.167.172 Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com [209.85.167.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:09:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from morrow.stuart@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id k10so84763oia.0 for <9fans@9fans.net>; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=q2Ow1go5VySPvcUjacBDU5+eCNRQFtmg6Mmeza4Plag=; b=boo5Iy7AyzEc10o+v5ZBeMs7saLM0HAS2rzwZz98G7elApo75F4QEzq3MmMbdtMVAI 9E2ntbDNxCnrio7gIs3ZDgd388D2lTkCqe+++YJuBZd6mjInfXNb4VZTOH1kfdE0fJin 9LUhxzHvaesdvoWo//mOLM/FCm8TnEI/u7gjUZ8O2bdkwwKkbISYAzA1d4gtoXPiwE48 IiRahfXIKkz4SUSOe8uUDLrFFchjaSf+sPRUrnV9XZvXFQ5eJsAXDVhmWWzEnq++qAzv w/iGMCeM2ZxZ4CCg6kSbD3VP4+eOjxuN4hc9c4hYsbPUEPrXNJIMdyFttLiw8nKGqmJY fgLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530uFeZhWJAMud6zXJqhFZBq9SLRwitIxyrEo5BBjciP3qnLUP7H zeLDiZQduUjs7OjIu6xL0BOUeuOnhhdFTobn4jX4q+QK X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzoj88oQowocpMHEpihUCyGIlum6j0FVbHJ28O5Khy5WV8fgEEbbV+IvUsxtTGGoFIdsiLfKIwsa/hGBiBEnmA= X-Received: by 2002:aca:1c0c:0:b0:2ec:c466:4a33 with SMTP id c12-20020aca1c0c000000b002ecc4664a33mr3445689oic.35.1647990565474; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:09:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6850:75ae:b0:2dd:23c4:4709 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:09:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <021ae931-7636-4ff6-a28c-18feb489c640@www.fastmail.com> From: Stuart Morrow Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 23:09:24 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions? To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 21b93450-aa35-11ec-a7df-e8d1627bc0f4 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDlmM2NjZWVhNzBkMmI2MS1NMThlZDljOTdmNzI3Y2JmN2M5M2Qy?= =?UTF-8?B?ZDgxPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M18ed9c97f727cbf7c93d2d81:1:JxLQCEP8X0W1Dtgbn4yT9-7g5RGGcCKGWpeAXHw4gOo On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote: > as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find > you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical > mouse? A trackpoint isn't a real three-button mouse by Acme's standards. "A real three-button mouse" is something that supports one-to-one finger-to-button. A trackpoint is a two-button mouse with an additional scroll button. It's designed for Windows and OS/2. IBM-pattern mice (as in scrollpoint and original ThinkCentre) work for me. The side walls are slightly off from vertical, for dovetailing* into the thumb and outside finger. (Not relevant, but I've never seen it commented on.) I haven't tried anything else. Plus, trackpoint users will often accidentally type 'u', which on Plan 9 means you lose what's in your snarf buffer. For convenience, direct link to a picture of a "dovetail" joint: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Finished_dovetail= .jpg/1920px-Finished_dovetail.jpg (since it seems these are named after a different animal in every single language) ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-M18ed9= c97f727cbf7c93d2d81 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription