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boundary="00000000000006fd2705ae0b6e71" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 65b37a24-ea44-11ea-a3a1-920260bb8094 --00000000000006fd2705ae0b6e71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 23:02, Lucas Francesco a =C3=A9crit : > I think we're way beyond the peak of 3 if consider non 9labs, as I'm a > brazillian myself and have been using 9front for almost 2y, and have been > slowly introducing my brother and my current mate to it. > I'm glad to hear that! The 3 persons back then were Federico Benavento (fgb), Felipe Bichued and I. > Leo, best of luck on the distro though, I'd really like 9 to be > niche-popular but I don't think translating stuff is the way to go, if it > wasn't for covid I was going to start lecturing about it at the uni I'm = in > but with prior warnings that all the content is in English. > > Lucas > > Em s=C3=A1b, 29 de ago de 2020 16:55, Iruat=C3=A3 Souza > escreveu: > >> Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 19:26, Leonardo a >> =C3=A9crit : >> >>> Cool! >>> >>> I want to make a Plan 9 distro aimed at brazilians: I'm at the beginnin= g >>> of this journey. My plan is to translate all the documentation (article= s >>> and man pages), try to make the system more user friendly (not for hack= ers >>> but for common people) and also work in ordinary software like a modern >>> browser, a word processor, spreadsheet software, a kind of powerpoint e= tc. >>> >>> >> As another historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) >> Plan 9 reached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and we= nt, >> but those 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, >> and the initial work into what is now the 9front bootloader. >> >> So, Leonardo, welcome aboard :) >> >> Besides translation, what are the Brazilian-specific needs you are tryin= g >> to address? >> I highly recommend you search the list for other projects similar to >> yours. >> >> Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in the journey! >> >> iru >> >> >>> I am studying Plan 9 and I am totally in love with it: read files, writ= e >>> to files and again: read files, write to files. And what else do you ne= ed >>> to do? Little or nothing: things are really simple. The NSA invented >>> SELinux (mandatory access control) because it saw that, from a security >>> point of view, the idea of discretionary access control did not provide >>> much. Okay, it's an idea and it works. But Plan 9, before, had introduc= ed >>> the idea of namespace which is, by the way, a much simpler and smarter >>> idea: each process can have its own restricted view of the universe of >>> files. I really don't understand why Plan 9 has not been adopted. Legac= y >>> base? >>> >> *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions > + participants > + delivery options > Permalink > > --00000000000006fd2705ae0b6e71 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 23:02, Lucas Francesco <lucas.francesco93@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
I think we're way beyond the peak of 3 if consider non 9labs,= as I'm a brazillian myself and have been using 9front for almost 2y, a= nd have been slowly introducing my brother and my current mate to it.

I'm glad to hear that! The 3 persons back then were= Federico Benavento (fgb), Felipe Bichued and I.

Leo= , best of luck on the distro though, I'd really like 9 to be niche-popu= lar but I don't think translating stuff is the way to go, if it wasn= 9;t for covid I was going to start=C2=A0 lecturing about it at the uni I= 9;m in but with prior warnings that all the content is in English.=C2=A0

Lucas

Em s=C3=A1b, 29= de ago de 2020 16:55, Iruat=C3=A3 Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> e= screveu:
Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BB= t 2020 =C3=A0 19:26, Leonardo <leonardohcoelho@gmail.c= om> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Cool!

I want t= o make a Plan 9 distro aimed at brazilians: I'm at the beginning of thi= s journey. My plan is to translate all the documentation (articles and man = pages), try to make the system more user friendly (not for hackers but for = common people) and also work in ordinary software like a modern browser, a = word processor, spreadsheet software, a kind of powerpoint etc.


As an= other historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) Plan 9 rea= ched the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and went, but those= 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, and the ini= tial work into what is now the 9front bootloader.
<= br>
So, Leonardo, welcome aboard :)

Besides translation, what are the Brazilian-specif= ic needs you are trying to address?
I highly recommend you search= the list for other projects similar to yours.

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in the journey!

iru
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I am studying Plan 9 and I am totally in lov= e with it: read files, write to files and again: read files, write to files= . And what else do you need to do? Little or nothing: things are really sim= ple. The NSA invented SELinux (mandatory access control) because it saw tha= t, from a security point of view, the idea of discretionary access control = did not provide much. Okay, it's an idea and it works. But Plan 9, befo= re, had introduced the idea of namespace which is, by the way, a much simpl= er and smarter idea: each process can have its own restricted view of the u= niverse of files. I really don't understand why Plan 9 has not been ado= pted. Legacy base?
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