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boundary="000000000000c8797c05ae0b5c98" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7d6cc62-ea43-11ea-8a70-970f0e60c59d --000000000000c8797c05ae0b5c98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 23:21, Lucas Francesco a =C3=A9crit : > >As another historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) > Plan 9 reached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and wen= t, > but those 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, > and the initial work into what is now the 9front bootloader. > > Also another note: from what I know fgb ( as you mention Abaco and he > is the creator) Is argentinian, and Argentina isn't Brazillian > territory, yet. I know "responsible" can have a different > connotation/implication than creator, so i'd love to hear some > clarification if there's a backstory though. > Fgb is indeed Argentinian, but speaks perfect Portuguese and lived for a number of years in Brazil. Also, at least for a part of the timespan I mentioned he lived in Brazil (we even lived in the same street for a month!) That's why I considered him as one of the regular users in Brazil. I have no idea about the current 9front bootloader, and would love to > hear notes about who did it, thanks to bringing it to light. > I am the one who did the early work on it. The ideas have been presented in http://4e.iwp9.org/papers/9null.pdf. Lucas > > Em s=C3=A1b., 29 de ago. de 2020 =C3=A0s 16:55, Iruat=C3=A3 Souza > escreveu: > > > > Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 19:26, Leonardo a > =C3=A9crit : > >> > >> Cool! > >> > >> I want to make a Plan 9 distro aimed at brazilians: I'm at the > beginning of this journey. My plan is to translate all the documentation > (articles and man pages), try to make the system more user friendly (not > for hackers but for common people) and also work in ordinary software lik= e > a modern browser, a word processor, spreadsheet software, a kind of > powerpoint etc. > >> > > > > As another historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) > Plan 9 reached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and wen= t, > but those 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, > and the initial work into what is now the 9front bootloader. > > > > So, Leonardo, welcome aboard :) > > > > Besides translation, what are the Brazilian-specific needs you are > trying to address? > > I highly recommend you search the list for other projects similar to > yours. > > > > Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in the journey! > > > > iru > > > >> > >> I am studying Plan 9 and I am totally in love with it: read files, > write to files and again: read files, write to files. And what else do yo= u > need to do? Little or nothing: things are really simple. The NSA invented > SELinux (mandatory access control) because it saw that, from a security > point of view, the idea of discretionary access control did not provide > much. Okay, it's an idea and it works. But Plan 9, before, had introduced > the idea of namespace which is, by the way, a much simpler and smarter > idea: each process can have its own restricted view of the universe of > files. I really don't understand why Plan 9 has not been adopted. Legacy > base? > > > > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options > Permalink > > ------------------------------------------ > 9fans: 9fans > Permalink: > https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T46e6d1465ae13031-M74c87e08e30387= 92f2004ac9 > Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription > --000000000000c8797c05ae0b5c98 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 23:21, Lucas Francesco <lucas.francesco93@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
>As a= nother historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) Plan 9 re= ached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and went, but thos= e 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, and the in= itial work into what is now the 9front bootloader.

Also another note: from what I know fgb ( as you mention Abaco and he
is the creator) Is argentinian, and Argentina isn't Brazillian
territory, yet. I know "responsible" can have a different
connotation/implication than creator, so i'd love to hear some
clarification if there's a backstory though.

Fgb is indeed Argentinian, = but speaks perfect Portuguese and lived for a number of years in Brazil. Al= so, at least for a part of the timespan I mentioned he lived in Brazil (we = even lived in the same street for a month!) That's why I considered him= as one of the regular users in Brazil.

I have no idea about the current 9front bootloader, and would love to
hear notes about who did it, thanks to bringing it to light.

I am the one wh= o did the early work on it. The ideas have been presented in=C2=A0http://4e.iwp9.org/papers/9null.pd= f.


Lucas

Em s=C3=A1b., 29 de ago. de 2020 =C3=A0s 16:55, Iruat=C3=A3 Souza
<iru.muzgo@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 19:26, Leonardo <leonardohc= oelho@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>> Cool!
>>
>> I want to make a Plan 9 distro aimed at brazilians: I'm at the= beginning of this journey. My plan is to translate all the documentation (= articles and man pages), try to make the system more user friendly (not for= hackers but for common people) and also work in ordinary software like a m= odern browser, a word processor, spreadsheet software, a kind of powerpoint= etc.
>>
>
> As another historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) = Plan 9 reached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and went,= but those 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, a= nd the initial work into what is now the 9front bootloader.
>
> So, Leonardo, welcome aboard :)
>
> Besides translation, what are the Brazilian-specific needs you are try= ing to address?
> I highly recommend you search the list for other projects similar to y= ours.
>
> Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in the journey!
>
> iru
>
>>
>> I am studying Plan 9 and I am totally in love with it: read files,= write to files and again: read files, write to files. And what else do you= need to do? Little or nothing: things are really simple. The NSA invented = SELinux (mandatory access control) because it saw that, from a security poi= nt of view, the idea of discretionary access control did not provide much. = Okay, it's an idea and it works. But Plan 9, before, had introduced the= idea of namespace which is, by the way, a much simpler and smarter idea: e= ach process can have its own restricted view of the universe of files. I re= ally don't understand why Plan 9 has not been adopted. Legacy base?
>
> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Perm= alink

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