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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: bba3536e-eaf8-11ea-9f81-bf553a2b1710 On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Leonardo wrote: > > On Saturday, 29 August 2020, at 4:55 PM, Iruat=C3=A3 Souza wrote: > > As another historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) Pla= n 9 reached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and went, bu= t those 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, and = the initial work into what is now the 9front bootloader. > > So, Leonardo, welcome aboard :) > > Besides translation, what are the Brazilian-specific needs you are trying= to address? > I highly recommend you search the list for other projects similar to your= s. > > Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in the journey! > > > Hi, Iru. Thank you for welcome and congragulations on your work. > > Regarding the few regular users, I think this is not only because Plan 9 = is considered a research system but also because it looks like a system for= fans or enthusiast or even experts (although it's a system where the simpl= icity of conceptions is the essence). > Wouldn't that be true for any software that somehow diverges from the conventional/mainstream practices? > > The guys (and girls!) at 9front do an admirable job of fixing bugs in the= kernel, compilers and key libraries and that's priceless: it's a very tech= nical and time-consuming job. We should be grateful for the work they do. A= nd it helps a lot: they do a job that nobody usually wants to do. So, with = this support that they give to the community, it is possible to think about= developing other things. You're a contributor, I saw your name there. Than= k you! > > Beside translation I'd like to make the system more user friendly (again:= for common people not for experts): and this is the most important thing. = In fact, I'd like to make Plan 9 a usable system for personal purposes, so = that I can use it and, of course, share what I can do. > User-friendliness is difficult to establish precisely. On the other hand, personal needs don't require any precise definition. In fact, as far as I understand, most of the 9front contributions address direct and concrete needs, usually related to the person writing the code. If I may offer advice, assuming you won't be receiving any external incentive (e.g. money) to conduct your project, writing software/documentation to meet your own needs seems a more productive start. Then, in doing that, you'll probably stumble upon more general problems the solutions of which may eventually help others.