From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20131223182840.Horde.HuKfFKF2fZoroKVTFstUiw4@ssl.eumx.net> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 14:48:01 -0600 Message-ID: From: Blake McBride To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122f6ae65d88904ee39bef9 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front Topicbox-Message-UUID: a6fe2630-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --089e0122f6ae65d88904ee39bef9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the input. I am making an increased effort to search before asking. I intuitively sense that Plan 9 has something significant to offer based on the little I know. The actual mechanics have been a challenge for me. Constructive feedback is deeply appreciated. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Rub=E9n Berenguel w= rote: > I somewhat agree that some of the answers you are getting have somewhat > been (sometimes, not all, and not constantly) been insulting. But a year = or > so ago I was also a Plan9 newbie, and I just read the manuals when I didn= 't > know how to do something. I followed some long-ago-read advice of first > smashing my head against the keyboard before asking the "online guru." An= d > by no means I'm an expert in systems programming, other *nixes or anythin= g > beside a small branch of mathematics (and this is fading, since I'm no > longer actively researching) and a lot of stuff used in SEO and related > areas by constant daily use at work. > > I have probably read acme(1) and acme(4) more than 70 times in the past > year, and probably double that for plumb and plumber (in all of their > sections.) And there are still a lot of things I don't understand when > interacting with them, just the other day dove into acme's source to answ= er > a question in #plan9 (about what the Abort command does.) > > Ruben > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Blake McBride wrote= : > >> Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material bu= t >> use the documentation as a reminder. It is difficult for a newbie to >> differentiate out-of-date material, branch specific material, and valid >> documentation. I am providing feedback from a newbie's perspective. Yo= u >> can either take advantage of some of the feedback to make it easier for = a >> newbie (that cannot reason) thus increasing the number of users, or you = can >> insult them until they leave. I apologize for not being as smart as you= . >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> >>> Quoting Blake McBride : >>> >>> Or perhaps: >>>> >>>> echo newuser USER-NAME >>/srv/cwfs.cmd >>>> >>>> replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. If most commands are in >>>> lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that >>>> need >>>> to be specified. >>>> >>> >>> Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out people who >>> cannot >>> reason. >>> >>> khm >>> >>> >>> >> > --089e0122f6ae65d88904ee39bef9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the input. =A0I am making an increased effort t= o search before asking. =A0I intuitively sense that Plan 9 has something si= gnificant to offer based on the little I know. =A0The actual mechanics have= been a challenge for me. =A0Constructive feedback is deeply appreciated.


On Mon, Dec 2= 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Rub=E9n Berenguel <ruben@mostlymaths.net> wrote:
I somewhat agree that some = of the answers you are getting have somewhat been (sometimes, not all, and = not constantly) been insulting. But a year or so ago I was also a Plan9 new= bie, and I just read the manuals when I didn't know how to do something= . I followed some long-ago-read advice of first smashing my head against th= e keyboard before asking the "online guru." And by no means I'= ;m an expert in systems programming, other *nixes or anything beside a smal= l branch of mathematics (and this is fading, since I'm no longer active= ly researching) and a lot of stuff used in SEO and related areas by constan= t daily use at work.

=A0I have probably read acme(1) and acme(4) more than 70 tim= es in the past year, and probably double that for plumb and plumber (in all= of their sections.) And there are still a lot of things I don't unders= tand when interacting with them, just the other day dove into acme's so= urce to answer a question in #plan9 (about what the Abort command does.)
Ruben


On Mon, De= c 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name> w= rote:
Documentation is always cle= ar to people who already know the material but use the documentation as a r= eminder. =A0It is difficult for a newbie to differentiate out-of-date mater= ial, branch specific material, and valid documentation. =A0I am providing f= eedback from a newbie's perspective. =A0You can either take advantage o= f some of the feedback to make it easier for a newbie (that cannot reason) = thus increasing the number of users, or you can insult them until they leav= e. =A0I apologize=A0for not being as smart as you.



On Mon, Dec 2= 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
Quoting Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>:

Or perhaps:

echo newuser USER-NAME =A0>>/srv/cwfs= .cmd

replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. =A0If most com= mands are in
lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as thing= s that need
to be specified.

Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out people who cannot<= br> reason.

khm





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