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From: Gorka Guardiola <paurea@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] C++
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:47:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACm3i_hFS2UcU4-XH+61vuwvntyMuChg-REumfaTSDvD0-vP2g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFiGbxh78Lrf9EqzjkdD7fC-6GSNZ2ASmdV=yogvNPPKR-mJBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Winston Kodogo <kodogo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But, let the record show, C++ has been scientifically shown to be an
> unbelievably crap and monstrously complex language, even though I earn
> my daily bread by using it. I was a contemporary of Dr Stroustrup when
> he was spending his time dragging the Cambridge mainframe to its knees
> using the Simula compiler - the kindest description I ever heard from
> friends in the computer lab was "stubborn"-  and occasionally, ok
> frequently, or indeed always, am tempted to view C++ as his revenge on
> the world for pointing out that he doesn't have a clue how to program
> efficiently.
>

Yes, this is why most games, which do not need speed or efficiency at all
are programmed in C++. I don't like C++, but it is a tool and as such, it
has shown it is useful in some environments. Is it aesthetically pleasant?
no. Is it more complex than needed? yes. But claiming that it is not possible
to program efficiently in C++ (or implying so) is going into religious grounds
and negating reality.

BTW, making ad-hominem attacks against a language author says more
about you than the language itself.


G.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-23  9:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-22 22:32 Winston Kodogo
2012-11-23  3:04 ` Comeau At9Fans
2012-11-23  9:47 ` Gorka Guardiola [this message]
2012-11-23 10:21   ` dexen deVries
2012-11-23 13:28     ` Pedro Lamarão
2012-11-23 14:02       ` lucio
2012-11-25  6:03         ` David Leimbach
2012-11-27 17:09     ` Eugene Gorodinsky
2012-11-27 19:57       ` David Leimbach
2012-11-27 20:15         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-12-03 10:02 ` faif
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-11-24  1:45 Winston Kodogo
2012-11-19 22:48 [9fans] c++ steve
2012-11-20  1:37 ` Jeff Sickel
2012-11-20  2:08   ` Matthew Veety
2012-11-20 10:12     ` Steve Simon
2012-11-22  9:54       ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-11-22 10:07         ` lucio
2012-11-22 10:21           ` Nemo
2012-11-22 15:37             ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:19               ` Nemo
2012-11-22 16:31                 ` lucio
2012-11-25  6:09                   ` David Leimbach
2012-11-22 10:39           ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 10:18         ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2012-11-22 11:34         ` hiro
2012-11-22 11:57           ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 14:25             ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 13:13           ` Hugo Rivera
2012-11-22 13:48             ` hiro
2012-11-22 14:22               ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 14:38                 ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 14:47                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 14:54                     ` Hugo Rivera
2012-11-22 15:47                       ` tlaronde
2012-11-22 16:00                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 16:11                           ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 16:15                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:31                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 17:30                               ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:18                           ` tlaronde
2012-11-22 16:06                       ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:07                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 16:12                         ` Hugo Rivera
2012-11-22 16:25                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:51                         ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 17:16                           ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 17:39                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 17:51                             ` Paul Lalonde
2012-11-22 17:53                               ` hiro
2012-11-22 18:13                                 ` lucio
2012-11-22 18:00                               ` lucio
2012-12-03 13:43                       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-12-03 14:13                         ` Charles Forsyth
2012-12-03 14:58                           ` Kurt H Maier
2012-12-03 15:21                             ` Charles Forsyth
2012-12-03 15:29                               ` Kurt H Maier
2012-12-04 21:36                                 ` hiro
2012-11-22 16:58                     ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 22:25                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 14:54                   ` dexen deVries
2012-11-22 17:04                     ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 17:31                       ` hiro
2012-11-22 17:45                         ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 17:46                         ` lucio
2012-11-22 20:17                           ` Matthew Veety
2012-11-22 17:42                       ` lucio
2012-11-22 17:44                         ` hiro
2012-11-22 17:47                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 19:55                             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-23  3:31                               ` lucio
2012-11-23  3:56                                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-22 17:50                         ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 17:59                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 18:02                             ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 18:12                               ` lucio
2012-11-22 19:15                                 ` Richard Miller
2012-11-22 21:48                                 ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 21:34                               ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 16:15                   ` Christopher Nielsen
2012-11-22 17:10                   ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-22 17:18                     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 17:22                       ` tlaronde
2012-11-22 17:27                         ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 17:45                     ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 19:55                       ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-23  9:42                     ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-11-22 17:58                   ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:32                 ` Richard Miller
2012-11-22 17:39                   ` hiro
2012-11-22 20:14                   ` Matthew Veety
2012-11-22 15:50           ` lucio
2012-11-22 14:54         ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 17:40       ` Pavel Klinkovsky
2012-11-22 18:11         ` tlaronde
2012-11-20 19:58     ` Wes Kussmaul
2012-11-20 20:07       ` tlaronde
2012-11-20 20:17         ` Wes Kussmaul
2012-11-22 12:58         ` Pedro Lamarão
2012-11-20 19:05 ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-20 20:31   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2012-11-20 20:09 ` dexen deVries
2012-11-19  9:59 Steve Simon
2012-11-19 10:10 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2012-11-19 11:31   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-11-19 10:45 ` iainws
2012-11-19 12:17 ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-11-19 12:46   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-11-19 12:55     ` hiro
2012-11-19 13:22   ` cinap_lenrek
2012-11-19 14:58     ` tlaronde
2012-11-19 15:17       ` Bence Fábián
2012-11-19 14:25 ` Robert Raschke
2012-11-19 14:56 ` Calvin Morrison
2012-11-19 14:09   ` cinap_lenrek
2012-11-19 15:38     ` Bence Fábián
2012-11-19 16:45       ` Jeff Sickel
2012-11-19 15:10   ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-22 14:10     ` David Leimbach
2012-11-22 14:13       ` David Leimbach
2012-11-19 16:21 ` Andrés Domínguez
2012-11-19 20:02 ` Aharon Robbins
2012-11-20  2:24 ` Taj Khattra
2012-11-20  3:47   ` Bruce Ellis

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