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I can't even get on the > > web as its complaining about DNS servers in abaco (I know mothra is > > preferred but I'm using bell labs plan 9). I need to understand how I c= an > > get two plan 9 systems to talk to each other, and then able to mount the > fs > > system on my standalone RPI. I guess it will come to me in due time. > > > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 1:47 PM Michael Misch > > wrote: > > > >> I went all in on my first foray, and set up discrete fs + auth + cpu + > >> terms, it was fun but wholly unnecessary. Eventually I settled into > >> fs/auth > >> on one, and a cpu server on the side with drawterm/terms. This was all > >> 9front, which has some niceties for networked setups, including cpu > >> listeners for fs/auth to maintain without needing serial/gui/ssh acces= s. > >> > >> On Oct 15, 2021, at 10:31 AM, joseph turco > >> wrote: > >> > >> =EF=BB=BF > >> Thank you to both of you for the responses. 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My notes here are just for you to get a small overview of > >>> the community.) > >>> > >>> In general, you'll notice that the bubble is quite small. You'll see > the > >>> same people hanging around and actually meet with people rather than > >>> writing as an anonymous person to other anonymous persons. I was acti= ve > >>> for less than a month and people started recognizing me. > >>> > >>> Here are places people hang out and discuss stuff: > >>> > >>> Mailing lists. There are few of them. The 9fans mailing list (here), I > >>> won't say anything about it (you are already here). > >>> > >>> There's also the 9front mailing list for 9front-specific topics (9fro= nt > >>> is a fork); as well as the inferno mailing list. > >>> > >>> For chatting there are multiple channels: > >>> > >>> The 9fans discord server [1] if you prefer modern apps. We have a voi= ce > >>> chat and some channels, as well as a bot. 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Your quite right, I wouldn't switch to 9f= ront for that reason, but is nice that 9front does have more secure protoco= ls in place. I stuck with bell labs because the RPI iso was right there I w= anted to see the OS from the beginning. Its also why I have the bootable 9l= egacy USB for my old desktop, but that's sitting around until I can fig= ure out the OS, so then I can get it running how I want on there, and link = up the systems so that the desktop acts as a shared fs. 

On Fri, Oct = 15, 2021, 2:58 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail= .com> wrote:
fyi, mothra i= sn't really *better* than abaco, both support only a
small subset of websites, and not exactly the same subset. that's not the reason to switch to 9front ;)

on 9front we use rcpu and rimport
on ball-labs you can only use the insecure cpu and import commands.
but if you had a central fileserver, and cpu-boot from that, this
kinda comes for free...

On 10/15/21, joseph turco <italian.pepe.32@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> Nice! I'm still understanding how to use the OS. I can't even = get on the
> web as its complaining about DNS servers in abaco (I know mothra is > preferred but I'm using bell labs plan 9). I need to understand ho= w I can
> get two plan 9 systems to talk to each other, and then able to mount t= he fs
> system on my standalone RPI. I guess it will come to me in due time. >
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 1:47 PM Michael Misch <michaelmisch19= 85@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I went all in on my first foray, and set up discrete fs + auth + c= pu +
>> terms, it was fun but wholly unnecessary. Eventually I settled int= o
>> fs/auth
>> on one, and a cpu server on the side with drawterm/terms. This was= all
>> 9front, which has some niceties for networked setups, including cp= u
>> listeners for fs/auth to maintain without needing serial/gui/ssh a= ccess.
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 10:31 AM, joseph turco <italian.pepe= .32@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thank you to both of you for the responses. I guess getting deep i= nto the
>> man pages is how I'll have to go about running things. I'm= actually
>> considering taking the OS off my pi, and loading it onto the deskt= op I
>> have
>> as a CPU/file server. I can get legacy9 to boot on it, I just need= to
>> figure out how to get it to work and connect the pi via TCP. I als= o have
>> though of just leaving the running system on my pi, also load it o= n the
>> old
>> desktop, and just have both boxes talk to each other. The first id= ea
>> sounds
>> more fun but I'm unsure.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:09 AM sirjofri <sirjofri+= ml-9fans@sirjofri.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 15.10.2021 15:05:25 Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir= <ftrvxmtrx@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> > A few useful links to get started:
>>>
>>> To add more infos for community stuff and more:
>>>
>>> (Of course, read as much as possible, the man pages, wiki, fqa= ,
>>> articles,
>>> papers, .... My notes here are just for you to get a small ove= rview of
>>> the community.)
>>>
>>> In general, you'll notice that the bubble is quite small. = You'll see the
>>> same people hanging around and actually meet with people rathe= r than
>>> writing as an anonymous person to other anonymous persons. I w= as active
>>> for less than a month and people started recognizing me.
>>>
>>> Here are places people hang out and discuss stuff:
>>>
>>> Mailing lists. There are few of them. The 9fans mailing list (= here), I
>>> won't say anything about it (you are already here).
>>>
>>> There's also the 9front mailing list for 9front-specific t= opics (9front
>>> is a fork); as well as the inferno mailing list.
>>>
>>> For chatting there are multiple channels:
>>>
>>> The 9fans discord server [1] if you prefer modern apps. We hav= e a voice
>>> chat and some channels, as well as a bot. Some of the channels= are
>>> bridged to a matrix channel and (through that) to the ##9fans = irc on
>>> oftc.
>>>
>>> The ##9fans oftc (actually multiple channels) channels.
>>>
>>> The #cat-v channel on oftc is often used for 9front discussion= (and
>>> cat-v
>>> discussion).
>>>
>>> 9p.zone (which is also the web page) has its own chat system k= nown as
>>> gridchat (short: grid). It's a 9p filesystem you can impor= t into your
>>> system and read-write the files there. There are some very spe= cial
>>> people
>>> there who don't usually hang out in the other community ch= annels.
>>>
>>> In general you'll meet many people in multiple channels de= pending on
>>> their preference. You can ask your questions everywhere and ho= pefully
>>> they'll be answered.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the community!
>>>
>>> sirjofri
>>>
>>> ---
>>> [1] https://discord.gg/AMDKS4wdVR
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