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Subject: Re: [9fans] Closed nix development is an insult
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> we got not a single cent for nix. As far as lsub is concerned,
> it's been a free time effort.

You are seriously misrepresenting nix and/or yourself.

>>From http://lsub.org:
  "Nix is joint work of Laboratorio de Sistemas with Bell Laboratories,
  Sandia National Labs, and Vitanuova."

Lsub is part of GSyC which is an academic institution funded with
public money. Sandia National Labs is funded by the DOE. People are
getting paid to work on nix. This is not "Nemo and his friends hack
on Plan 9" project. It that would be the case, using the lsub name
everywhere would constitute grave academic misconduct. You publish
papers with lsub credentials.

My personal projects are not my employers (in fact some people place
huge disclaimers stating that; I find the practice silly). Nix is
not a personal project. It's listed right there on the lsub page
along with other Plan 9-related project. Some of them even list
their grants:

  "Finnancial support, in part, by Spanish MCYT TIN2010-17344 and
  Madrid CAM S-2009/TIC-1692."

  "This work is supported in part by grants CAM CLOUDS S2009/TIC-1692
  and MCyTTIN-2007-67353-C02-02"

You are paid by your university to work on Plan 9-related projects.
It's part of your everyday job.

Let's take a look at other misinformation:

> Today it continues using a public development process, as described
> above.

It does not. It's done in secret. It wasn't always done like this.
For a short while, development was public. It stopped being public
when you (nemo) and Ron fighted and couldn't find common ground.
Then you took the toys and locked them in your fortress.

> there is no private nix development going on

Let's quote something from a recent nix paper:

  "We are grateful to Charles Forsyth for his advice regarding this
  work, and to the new Plan 9 secret society."

Ahem.

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Aram H=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu