[9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[9fans]

The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
Articles require approval before being posted.  It has been
moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's.  I,
the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of
this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August
of this year.  So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required.

Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list.
Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the
comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup.  This bi-directional gateway will
disappear when our Usenet server is turned off.  So a volunteer to
take over this service is also required.

Further details of the above are given below.

Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive.  For example I've
approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months.  The
vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups.

The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right
to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup.  I.e. articles from the
moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted.  Volunteer
moderators are requested.

I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is
that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are
gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at:

http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/

and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list.

Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway.
The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the
comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are
sent on to the mailing list.

Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously
keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a
replacement elsewhere is ideally required.

The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into
the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and
have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a
moderated Newsgroup.

Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup
is labour-intensive.  It needs to be automated.  There are probably
several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our
Usenet server.  Our setup is similar to the following.

We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we
wish to inject into Newsgroups.  Mail for this domain is handled by
the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its
Usenet software.  All incoming email is checked for viruses using
ClamAV.

An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the
9fans mailing list.  Email arriving for this address is checked to
see it has the correct envelope sender (9fans-bounces@9fans.net).
If so, the INN program "mailpost" is used to inject the message
into the Newsgroup.  The "mailpost" program keeps a record of the
Message-ID's it has seen.  So there's no problem with looping, ie
the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of
times.

Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using
INN "news2mail" channel script.  However, betraying my original
Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment:

# Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into
# the mailing list, 9fans@9fans.net, using a locally written script.
# The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not
# re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list.
plan9mail!\
  :comp.os.plan9\
  :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s

in INN's newsfeeds file.

The above script uses the news2mail program from the antique but
usable newsgate.tar.Z package to send email.  The anti-looping
checks include ensuring the Newsgroup article doesn't include a
header of the form:

X-BeenThere: 9fans@9fans.net

which indicates this was a 9fans mailing list article injected into
Newsgroup.

The above may sound complex, but it's fairly maintenance free once
set up.  We clearly won't be able to continue with this service once
our Usenet server is decommissioned.  A volunteer to set up and run
a similar service is required.
--
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk               Phone: +44 1225 386101

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[hiro]

Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then?
I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the
successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0
services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it
possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make
it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos
without the typical mimecode problems.

On 7/15/13, 9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk <9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk> wrote:
> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
> Articles require approval before being posted.  It has been
> moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's.  I,
> the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of
> this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August
> of this year.  So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required.
>
> Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list.
> Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the
> comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup.  This bi-directional gateway will
> disappear when our Usenet server is turned off.  So a volunteer to
> take over this service is also required.
>
> Further details of the above are given below.
>
> Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive.  For example I've
> approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months.  The
> vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups.
>
> The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right
> to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup.  I.e. articles from the
> moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted.  Volunteer
> moderators are requested.
>
> I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is
> that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are
> gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at:
>
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/
>
> and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list.
>
> Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway.
> The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the
> comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are
> sent on to the mailing list.
>
> Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously
> keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a
> replacement elsewhere is ideally required.
>
> The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into
> the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and
> have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a
> moderated Newsgroup.
>
> Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup
> is labour-intensive.  It needs to be automated.  There are probably
> several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our
> Usenet server.  Our setup is similar to the following.
>
> We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we
> wish to inject into Newsgroups.  Mail for this domain is handled by
> the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its
> Usenet software.  All incoming email is checked for viruses using
> ClamAV.
>
> An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the
> 9fans mailing list.  Email arriving for this address is checked to
> see it has the correct envelope sender (9fans-bounces@9fans.net).
> If so, the INN program "mailpost" is used to inject the message
> into the Newsgroup.  The "mailpost" program keeps a record of the
> Message-ID's it has seen.  So there's no problem with looping, ie
> the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of
> times.
>
> Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using
> INN "news2mail" channel script.  However, betraying my original
> Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment:
>
> # Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into
> # the mailing list, 9fans@9fans.net, using a locally written script.
> # The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not
> # re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list.
> plan9mail!\
>   :comp.os.plan9\
>   :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s
>
> in INN's newsfeeds file.
>
> The above script uses the news2mail program from the antique but
> usable newsgate.tar.Z package to send email.  The anti-looping
> checks include ensuring the Newsgroup article doesn't include a
> header of the form:
>
> X-BeenThere: 9fans@9fans.net
>
> which indicates this was a 9fans mailing list article injected into
> Newsgroup.
>
> The above may sound complex, but it's fairly maintenance free once
> set up.  We clearly won't be able to continue with this service once
> our Usenet server is decommissioned.  A volunteer to set up and run
> a similar service is required.
> --
> Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
> D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk               Phone: +44 1225 386101
>
>

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Scott Elcomb]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:04 PM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then?
> I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the
> successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0
> services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it
> possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make
> it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos
> without the typical mimecode problems.

Gmane has some handy web-based tools like RSS feeds, threaded reader
and a blog-style interface.  Not direct integration with social, but
close enough for my needs.

<http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general>

Best,
--
  Scott Elcomb
  @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more

  Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems
  http://code.google.com/p/atomos/

  Member of the Pirate Party of Canada
  http://www.pirateparty.ca/

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Scott Schwartz]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 6:24 AM,  <9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk> wrote:
> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
> Articles require approval before being posted.  It has been
> moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's.  I,
> the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of
> this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August
> of this year.

Speaking for the mailing list side, thanks for all your service,
for so long and so well!

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[john francis lee]

Isn't google the now well-known devil itself ?

On 07/15/2013 11:04 PM, hiro wrote:
> Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then?
> I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the
> successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0
> services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it
> possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make
> it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos
> without the typical mimecode problems.
>
> On 7/15/13, 9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk <9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
>> Articles require approval before being posted.  It has been
>> moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's.  I,
>> the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of
>> this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August
>> of this year.  So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required.
>>
>> Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list.
>> Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the
>> comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup.  This bi-directional gateway will
>> disappear when our Usenet server is turned off.  So a volunteer to
>> take over this service is also required.
>>
>> Further details of the above are given below.
>>
>> Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive.  For example I've
>> approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months.  The
>> vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups.
>>
>> The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right
>> to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup.  I.e. articles from the
>> moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted.  Volunteer
>> moderators are requested.
>>
>> I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is
>> that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are
>> gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at:
>>
>> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/
>>
>> and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list.
>>
>> Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway.
>> The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the
>> comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are
>> sent on to the mailing list.
>>
>> Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously
>> keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a
>> replacement elsewhere is ideally required.
>>
>> The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into
>> the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and
>> have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a
>> moderated Newsgroup.
>>
>> Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup
>> is labour-intensive.  It needs to be automated.  There are probably
>> several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our
>> Usenet server.  Our setup is similar to the following.
>>
>> We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we
>> wish to inject into Newsgroups.  Mail for this domain is handled by
>> the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its
>> Usenet software.  All incoming email is checked for viruses using
>> ClamAV.
>>
>> An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the
>> 9fans mailing list.  Email arriving for this address is checked to
>> see it has the correct envelope sender (9fans-bounces@9fans.net).
>> If so, the INN program "mailpost" is used to inject the message
>> into the Newsgroup.  The "mailpost" program keeps a record of the
>> Message-ID's it has seen.  So there's no problem with looping, ie
>> the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of
>> times.
>>
>> Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using
>> INN "news2mail" channel script.  However, betraying my original
>> Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment:
>>
>> # Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into
>> # the mailing list, 9fans@9fans.net, using a locally written script.
>> # The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not
>> # re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list.
>> plan9mail!\
>>    :comp.os.plan9\
>>    :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s
>>
>> in INN's newsfeeds file.
>>
>> The above script uses the news2mail program from the antique but
>> usable newsgate.tar.Z package to send email.  The anti-looping
>> checks include ensuring the Newsgroup article doesn't include a
>> header of the form:
>>
>> X-BeenThere: 9fans@9fans.net
>>
>> which indicates this was a 9fans mailing list article injected into
>> Newsgroup.
>>
>> The above may sound complex, but it's fairly maintenance free once
>> set up.  We clearly won't be able to continue with this service once
>> our Usenet server is decommissioned.  A volunteer to set up and run
>> a similar service is required.
>> --
>> Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
>> D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk               Phone: +44 1225 386101
>>
>>

--
john francis lee
246/3 Moo 22
Thanon Kaew Wai
Mueang Chiangrai 57000
Thailand

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil all
at the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle, GE,
etc.) that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is
mostly good or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the nature
of the universe.



On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, john francis lee <jfl@robinlea.com> wrote:

> Isn't google the now well-known devil itself ?
>
>
> On 07/15/2013 11:04 PM, hiro wrote:
>
>> Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then?
>> I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the
>> successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0
>> services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it
>> possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make
>> it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos
>> without the typical mimecode problems.
>>
>> On 7/15/13, 9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk <9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
>>> Articles require approval before being posted.  It has been
>>> moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's.  I,
>>> the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of
>>> this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August
>>> of this year.  So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required.
>>>
>>> Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list.
>>> Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the
>>> comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup.  This bi-directional gateway will
>>> disappear when our Usenet server is turned off.  So a volunteer to
>>> take over this service is also required.
>>>
>>> Further details of the above are given below.
>>>
>>> Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive.  For example I've
>>> approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months.  The
>>> vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups.
>>>
>>> The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right
>>> to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup.  I.e. articles from the
>>> moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted.  Volunteer
>>> moderators are requested.
>>>
>>> I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is
>>> that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are
>>> gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at:
>>>
>>> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/**wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/<http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/>
>>>
>>> and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list.
>>>
>>> Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway.
>>> The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the
>>> comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are
>>> sent on to the mailing list.
>>>
>>> Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously
>>> keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a
>>> replacement elsewhere is ideally required.
>>>
>>> The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into
>>> the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and
>>> have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a
>>> moderated Newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup
>>> is labour-intensive.  It needs to be automated.  There are probably
>>> several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our
>>> Usenet server.  Our setup is similar to the following.
>>>
>>> We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we
>>> wish to inject into Newsgroups.  Mail for this domain is handled by
>>> the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its
>>> Usenet software.  All incoming email is checked for viruses using
>>> ClamAV.
>>>
>>> An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the
>>> 9fans mailing list.  Email arriving for this address is checked to
>>> see it has the correct envelope sender (9fans-bounces@9fans.net).
>>> If so, the INN program "mailpost" is used to inject the message
>>> into the Newsgroup.  The "mailpost" program keeps a record of the
>>> Message-ID's it has seen.  So there's no problem with looping, ie
>>> the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of
>>> times.
>>>
>>> Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using
>>> INN "news2mail" channel script.  However, betraying my original
>>> Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment:
>>>
>>> # Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into
>>> # the mailing list, 9fans@9fans.net, using a locally written script.
>>> # The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not
>>> # re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list.
>>> plan9mail!\
>>>    :comp.os.plan9\
>>>    :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s
>>>
>>> in INN's newsfeeds file.
>>>
>>> The above script uses the news2mail program from the antique but
>>> usable newsgate.tar.Z package to send email.  The anti-looping
>>> checks include ensuring the Newsgroup article doesn't include a
>>> header of the form:
>>>
>>> X-BeenThere: 9fans@9fans.net
>>>
>>> which indicates this was a 9fans mailing list article injected into
>>> Newsgroup.
>>>
>>> The above may sound complex, but it's fairly maintenance free once
>>> set up.  We clearly won't be able to continue with this service once
>>> our Usenet server is decommissioned.  A volunteer to set up and run
>>> a similar service is required.
>>> --
>>> Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
>>> D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk               Phone: +44 1225 386101
>>>
>>>
>>>
> --
> john francis lee
> 246/3 Moo 22
> Thanon Kaew Wai
> Mueang Chiangrai 57000
> Thailand
>
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Matthew Veety]

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Oracle was a terrible example. That company is about one man, his ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity.

On Jul 15, 2013, at 19:07, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

> the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil all at the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle, GE, etc.) that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is mostly good or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the nature of the universe.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, john francis lee <jfl@robinlea.com> wrote:
>> Isn't google the now well-known devil itself ?
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/15/2013 11:04 PM, hiro wrote:
>>> Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then?
>>> I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the
>>> successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0
>>> services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it
>>> possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make
>>> it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos
>>> without the typical mimecode problems.
>>> 
>>> On 7/15/13, 9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk <9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
>>>> Articles require approval before being posted.  It has been
>>>> moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's.  I,
>>>> the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of
>>>> this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August
>>>> of this year.  So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required.
>>>> 
>>>> Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list.
>>>> Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the
>>>> comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup.  This bi-directional gateway will
>>>> disappear when our Usenet server is turned off.  So a volunteer to
>>>> take over this service is also required.
>>>> 
>>>> Further details of the above are given below.
>>>> 
>>>> Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive.  For example I've
>>>> approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months.  The
>>>> vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups.
>>>> 
>>>> The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right
>>>> to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup.  I.e. articles from the
>>>> moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted.  Volunteer
>>>> moderators are requested.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is
>>>> that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are
>>>> gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at:
>>>> 
>>>> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/
>>>> 
>>>> and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway.
>>>> The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the
>>>> comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are
>>>> sent on to the mailing list.
>>>> 
>>>> Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously
>>>> keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a
>>>> replacement elsewhere is ideally required.
>>>> 
>>>> The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into
>>>> the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and
>>>> have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a
>>>> moderated Newsgroup.
>>>> 
>>>> Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup
>>>> is labour-intensive.  It needs to be automated.  There are probably
>>>> several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our
>>>> Usenet server.  Our setup is similar to the following.
>>>> 
>>>> We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we
>>>> wish to inject into Newsgroups.  Mail for this domain is handled by
>>>> the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its
>>>> Usenet software.  All incoming email is checked for viruses using
>>>> ClamAV.
>>>> 
>>>> An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the
>>>> 9fans mailing list.  Email arriving for this address is checked to
>>>> see it has the correct envelope sender (9fans-bounces@9fans.net).
>>>> If so, the INN program "mailpost" is used to inject the message
>>>> into the Newsgroup.  The "mailpost" program keeps a record of the
>>>> Message-ID's it has seen.  So there's no problem with looping, ie
>>>> the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of
>>>> times.
>>>> 
>>>> Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using
>>>> INN "news2mail" channel script.  However, betraying my original
>>>> Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment:
>>>> 
>>>> # Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into
>>>> # the mailing list, 9fans@9fans.net, using a locally written script.
>>>> # The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not
>>>> # re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list.
>>>> plan9mail!\
>>>>    :comp.os.plan9\
>>>>    :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s
>>>> 
>>>> in INN's newsfeeds file.
>>>> 
>>>> The above script uses the news2mail program from the antique but
>>>> usable newsgate.tar.Z package to send email.  The anti-looping
>>>> checks include ensuring the Newsgroup article doesn't include a
>>>> header of the form:
>>>> 
>>>> X-BeenThere: 9fans@9fans.net
>>>> 
>>>> which indicates this was a 9fans mailing list article injected into
>>>> Newsgroup.
>>>> 
>>>> The above may sound complex, but it's fairly maintenance free once
>>>> set up.  We clearly won't be able to continue with this service once
>>>> our Usenet server is decommissioned.  A volunteer to set up and run
>>>> a similar service is required.
>>>> --
>>>> Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
>>>> D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk               Phone: +44 1225 386101
>> 
>> -- 
>> john francis lee
>> 246/3 Moo 22
>> Thanon Kaew Wai
>> Mueang Chiangrai 57000
>> Thailand
> 

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Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Kurt H Maier]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:07:38PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil all
> at the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle, GE,
> etc.) that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is
> mostly good or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the nature
> of the universe.
>

this is what passes for proof these days?

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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when discussing "good" and "evil", thought experiment proofs are the only
thing anyone can offer.

I should have prefaced what i said with: "if you insist on assigning
goodness or wickedness to things, then it follows that any large, all
encompassing ...".



On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:07:38PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> > the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil
> all
> > at the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle,
> GE,
> > etc.) that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is
> > mostly good or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the
> nature
> > of the universe.
> >
>
> this is what passes for proof these days?
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[hiro]

You guys does not take the End-user into account at all.

On 7/16/13, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
> when discussing "good" and "evil", thought experiment proofs are the only
> thing anyone can offer.
>
> I should have prefaced what i said with: "if you insist on assigning
> goodness or wickedness to things, then it follows that any large, all
> encompassing ...".
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:07:38PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>> > the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil
>> all
>> > at the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle,
>> GE,
>> > etc.) that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is
>> > mostly good or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the
>> nature
>> > of the universe.
>> >
>>
>> this is what passes for proof these days?
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Christian Neukirchen]

9fans@mail2news.bath.ac.uk writes:

> The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup.
> Articles require approval before being posted.

Does this still make sense given the low traffic from Usenet?

--
Christian Neukirchen  <chneukirchen@gmail.com>  http://chneukirchen.org

Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.

[Aram Hăvărneanu]

> Does this still make sense given the low traffic from Usenet?

Usenet is full of spam. Of all places, it seems the least likely where
spam would have any effect, but I support spam is a gas that expands
everywhere.

--
Aram Hăvărneanu