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From: "Aram Hăvărneanu" <aram.h@mgk.ro>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil pb: FOUND!
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:11:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEAzY39GD4QoTRf2S0Nd4rN+vSyG1tsKyP3rFWu5a0mFN=sH6w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b5232dd400eebae646473fb1272d0b6f@chula.quanstro.net>

> content addressed means given the content, you can generate the address.
> this is NOT true of zfs at all.

How come? With venti, the address is the SHA-1 hash, with ZFS, you get
to chose the hash, but it can still be a hash.

> you keep changing the subject.  your original claim was that random
> access is not slower than sequential access for ssds.  you haven't backed
> this argument up.  the relative performance of ssds vs hard drives
> and caching are completely irrelevant.

My original claim was that fragmentation is a non issue if you have
SSDs.  I still claim this and I expanded on the context in my previous
post.  Of course that random I/O is slower than sequential I/O, SSD or
not, but in practice, filesystem fragmentation causes an amount or
random I/O much less than what a SSD can handle, so throughput in the
fragmented case is close to the throughput in the sequential case.

I don't think that caching is completely irrelevant.  If I have to
chose between a complex scheme that avoids fragmentation and a simple
caching scheme that renders it irrelevant for a particular workload,
I'll chose the caching scheme because it's simpler.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu



  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-14 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-13 11:30 [9fans] fossil pb: a clue? tlaronde
2012-01-13 13:30 ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 13:38 ` [9fans] fossil pb: FOUND! tlaronde
2012-01-13 13:59   ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 14:08     ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 14:47       ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 16:01         ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:16           ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 16:34             ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:42               ` David du Colombier
2012-01-13 16:44               ` Vivien MOREAU
2012-01-13 16:50                 ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:17           ` David du Colombier
2012-01-13 16:41             ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:50               ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-13 17:05                 ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 17:02               ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 17:11                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-13 17:24                 ` Nicolas Bercher
2012-01-13 17:44                   ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 17:37               ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 17:58                 ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 18:14                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 21:00                     ` Yaroslav
2012-01-13 22:14                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAG3N4d8c56DRSbt30k3EkgnyvrPSLbFkWH-kKapm7CVmKsu9og@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-13 21:02                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5hU=F2tynnFHtoz=AJ=HiFq2oLYhz4Rg-QgM+rv_gu5Ow@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-13 22:17                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 23:10                       ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-01-13 23:14                         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2012-01-13 23:23                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-01-14  0:30                           ` Bakul Shah
2012-01-14  1:01                             ` dexen deVries
2012-01-14 13:26                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 15:00                                 ` hiro
2012-01-14 15:06                                   ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                                   ` <CAOw7k5h2T+xuxbJhwTxPMOjG3K14KarrJPXFmH9EHdHJnXFpPA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 15:29                                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 16:16                                       ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                       ` <CAEAzY3_9jpi6j-C1u87OKaEazajOBwkvbEBdO5f1eUJysJbH1A@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 16:32                                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 18:01                                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY39pUNCTs6kMYnYoukx3TH8OuhgcmhSF+nVW5jX0iTCYvA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 20:43                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 21:39                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY3842EWp=WByCPAm7yGEK2h5b+1hkbwm5NoRPTH_2F5CVA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 21:54                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 22:11                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu [this message]
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY39GD4QoTRf2S0Nd4rN+vSyG1tsKyP3rFWu5a0mFN=sH6w@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 22:42                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 23:03                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-01-14 23:32                                               ` Bakul Shah
2012-01-14 23:45                                                 ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY39ddvxRSwSP+Eh7kujJEs3nYh4kQegfuSisgdgB9qMQ4g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-15 13:12                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-15 14:07                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY3-mPRW3jGYWbXeTk7Sc+nC6Xn1NhK2a=Tb2yKkm06EStQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-15 14:25                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-15 14:39                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-14 18:39                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-14 13:27                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 23:24                         ` cinap_lenrek
     [not found]                   ` <CAEAzY39VJhaWD03PruMoS2A+bCP62XDTdgob1hgtjp6qHtjdSA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 13:07                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 13:59 ` [9fans] fossil pb: a clue? David du Colombier
2012-01-13 14:11   ` tlaronde

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