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From: "Aram Hăvărneanu" <aram.h@mgk.ro>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil pb: FOUND!
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:16:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEAzY3_9jpi6j-C1u87OKaEazajOBwkvbEBdO5f1eUJysJbH1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a1e85e17bdb39d08474c2c609fa68a67@chula.quanstro.net>

erik quanstrom wrote:
> i think it would be fair to argue that source and executables are
> negligeable users of storage.  media files, which are already compressed,
> tend to dominate.

What about virtual machine images?

> the tradeoff for this compression is a large amount of memory,
> fragmentation, and cpu usage.  that is to say, storage latency.

I have 24GB RAM. My primary laptops have 8GB RAM. I have all this RAM
not because of dedup but because I do memory intensive tasks, like
running virtual machines. I believe this is true for many users.

I'm of a completely different opinion regarding fragmentation. On
SSDs, it's a non issue. Historically, one of the hardest things to do
right in a filesystem was minimizing fragmentation. Today you don't
have to do it so there's less complexity to manage in the file system.
Even if you still have rotating rust to store the bulk of the data, a
small SSD cache in front of it renders fragmentation irrelevant.

My CPU can SHA-1 hash orders of magnitude faster than it can read from
disk, and that's using only generic instructions, plus, it's sitting
idle anyway.

> so i wonder if we're not spending all our resources trying to optimize
> only a few percent of our storage needs.

Dedup is certainly not a panacea, but it's certainly useful for many workloads.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu



  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-14 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-13 11:30 [9fans] fossil pb: a clue? tlaronde
2012-01-13 13:30 ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 13:38 ` [9fans] fossil pb: FOUND! tlaronde
2012-01-13 13:59   ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 14:08     ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 14:47       ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 16:01         ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:16           ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 16:34             ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:42               ` David du Colombier
2012-01-13 16:44               ` Vivien MOREAU
2012-01-13 16:50                 ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:17           ` David du Colombier
2012-01-13 16:41             ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 16:50               ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-13 17:05                 ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 17:02               ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 17:11                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-13 17:24                 ` Nicolas Bercher
2012-01-13 17:44                   ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 17:37               ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 17:58                 ` tlaronde
2012-01-13 18:14                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 21:00                     ` Yaroslav
2012-01-13 22:14                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAG3N4d8c56DRSbt30k3EkgnyvrPSLbFkWH-kKapm7CVmKsu9og@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-13 21:02                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5hU=F2tynnFHtoz=AJ=HiFq2oLYhz4Rg-QgM+rv_gu5Ow@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-13 22:17                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 23:10                       ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-01-13 23:14                         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2012-01-13 23:23                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-01-14  0:30                           ` Bakul Shah
2012-01-14  1:01                             ` dexen deVries
2012-01-14 13:26                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 15:00                                 ` hiro
2012-01-14 15:06                                   ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                                   ` <CAOw7k5h2T+xuxbJhwTxPMOjG3K14KarrJPXFmH9EHdHJnXFpPA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 15:29                                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 16:16                                       ` Aram Hăvărneanu [this message]
     [not found]                                       ` <CAEAzY3_9jpi6j-C1u87OKaEazajOBwkvbEBdO5f1eUJysJbH1A@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 16:32                                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 18:01                                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY39pUNCTs6kMYnYoukx3TH8OuhgcmhSF+nVW5jX0iTCYvA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 20:43                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 21:39                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY3842EWp=WByCPAm7yGEK2h5b+1hkbwm5NoRPTH_2F5CVA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 21:54                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 22:11                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY39GD4QoTRf2S0Nd4rN+vSyG1tsKyP3rFWu5a0mFN=sH6w@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 22:42                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-14 23:03                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-01-14 23:32                                               ` Bakul Shah
2012-01-14 23:45                                                 ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY39ddvxRSwSP+Eh7kujJEs3nYh4kQegfuSisgdgB9qMQ4g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-15 13:12                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-15 14:07                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
     [not found]                                           ` <CAEAzY3-mPRW3jGYWbXeTk7Sc+nC6Xn1NhK2a=Tb2yKkm06EStQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-15 14:25                                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-15 14:39                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-14 18:39                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2012-01-14 13:27                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 23:24                         ` cinap_lenrek
     [not found]                   ` <CAEAzY39VJhaWD03PruMoS2A+bCP62XDTdgob1hgtjp6qHtjdSA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-01-14 13:07                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-01-13 13:59 ` [9fans] fossil pb: a clue? David du Colombier
2012-01-13 14:11   ` tlaronde

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