From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Jules Merit Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:51:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ed16e483a78053cb890f0 Subject: Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9f05d986-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a113ed16e483a78053cb890f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Troff + net, I added ideas from vrml's for AR glasses I use for HUD documents as I look off monitor still bashing the keyboard. Web proxy for format translation. On Sep 17, 2016 10:06 AM, "hiro" <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > It's hard to have a technical argument about this, because technical > consideration was never a big driver of web "technologies". > > > Web programming would have also have started off with far greater ability > There is nothing wrong with the web having a limited scope of features. > > > Web games, video-streaming applications, etc. on par with local > applications > If they are on par, then why waste time with the web part? > > > waiting years for even simple things to be standardized > They never actually did wait. What they implemented instead was always > horrible, and the incompatible standards created after the fact just > make it even worse. > > > cookies and other privacy issues > > sandboxed > security and privacy in the web is hopeless. it plainly was never a real > goal. > > > beneficial to getting them into programming > popular things tend to drive people. doesn't say anything about the > technical or even educational qualities though. > > > [...] friends in web development, they > > have expressed concerns about ease-of-use [...] > In this case they are liars. i know no single web developer who cares > about ease-of-use. > > > system languages did not [...attract] them. > it's not for everyone to design systems. but they still managed (if i > am to believe you against their will) to waste their time doing > redundant system development, reinventing poorly what we already had, > which they couldn't find enough motivation to learn about. > > "the plan 9 way" is often only used in the sense of being consistent. > This, elegance and cleanness is rarely seen in software, hardly > evaluated and only often demanded. But some principles are just > polished unix ideas and many others did exist before. > > Plan 9 technically is just one small collection of more consistent > alternative building blocks, but the web has ignored, reinvented or > misunderstood most others, too. > > --001a113ed16e483a78053cb890f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Troff + net, I added ideas from vrml's for AR glasses I = use for HUD documents as I look off monitor still bashing the keyboard. Web= proxy for format translation.


On Sep 17, 2016 1= 0:06 AM, "hiro" <23hiro@gm= ail.com> wrote:
It's hard to have a technical argument about this, because technical=
consideration was never a big driver of web "technologies".

> Web programming would have also have started off with far greater abil= ity
There is nothing wrong with the web having a limited scope of features.

> Web games, video-streaming applications, etc. on par with local applic= ations
If they are on par, then why waste time with the web part?

> waiting years for even simple things to be standardized
They never actually did wait. What they implemented instead was always
horrible, and the incompatible standards created after the fact just
make it even worse.

> cookies and other privacy issues
> sandboxed
security and privacy in the web is hopeless. it plainly was never a real go= al.

> beneficial to getting them into programming
popular things tend to drive people. doesn't say anything about the
technical or even educational qualities though.

> [...] friends in web development, they
> have expressed concerns about ease-of-use [...]
In this case they are liars. i know no single web developer who cares
about ease-of-use.

> system languages did not [...attract] them.
it's not for everyone to design systems. but they still managed (if i am to believe you against their will) to waste their time doing
redundant system development, reinventing poorly what we already had,
which they couldn't find enough motivation to learn about.

"the plan 9 way" is often only used in the sense of being consist= ent.
This, elegance and cleanness is rarely seen in software, hardly
evaluated and only often demanded. But some principles are just
polished unix ideas and many others did exist before.

Plan 9 technically is just one small collection of more consistent
alternative building blocks, but the web has ignored, reinvented or
misunderstood most others, too.

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