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[9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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Greetings again all.

I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude e7450.  I
followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.

I encountered the following problems:

I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the recommendation of
accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>

Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.

Instead, I get:

"
error writing partition table to disk
attempting to restore partitions to previous state
cannot restore: error seeking on disk
"

It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of things.
It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time, instead of
suggesting a layout, I get:

"disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"

Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp as my
9fat partition.

I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the file
system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works, great.
Thought I should report this though.

Cheers!
Mike :-)


On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Greetings :-)
>
> ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
> windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route.  now I'm
> hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?  People
> daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So.. shall we get on
> with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on
> installing it (
> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html), and
> find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is
> woefully out of date.
> <https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date.>"
> ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my tracks and causes me
> to write this e-mail instead.
>
> ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and e7440, and a
> Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a particular
> one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
> more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke around trying to
> follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't, not
> without more assurance of support.
>
> ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first place.  Keep
> in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth investigating,
> are two different things.  I credit, in historical order, "The Art of Unix
> Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the people whose
> documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.  (..Of course, now
> that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
>
> Cheers,
> Michael :-)
>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Ori Bernstein]

I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full output,
including the suggestions.

On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings again all.
> 
> I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude e7450.  I
> followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
> 
> I encountered the following problems:
> 
> I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the recommendation of
> accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
> 
> Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
> 
> Instead, I get:
> 
> "
> error writing partition table to disk
> attempting to restore partitions to previous state
> cannot restore: error seeking on disk
> "
> 
> It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of things.
> It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time, instead of
> suggesting a layout, I get:
> 
> "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
> 
> Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp as my
> 9fat partition.
> 
> I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the file
> system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works, great.
> Thought I should report this though.
> 
> Cheers!
> Mike :-)
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings :-)
> >
> > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
> > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route.  now I'm
> > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?  People
> > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So.. shall we get on
> > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on
> > installing it (
> > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html), and
> > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is
> > woefully out of date.
> > <https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date.>"
> > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my tracks and causes me
> > to write this e-mail instead.
> >
> > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and e7440, and a
> > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a particular
> > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
> > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke around trying to
> > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't, not
> > without more assurance of support.
> >
> > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first place.  Keep
> > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth investigating,
> > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order, "The Art of Unix
> > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the people whose
> > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.  (..Of course, now
> > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michael :-)
> >


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    Ori Bernstein

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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I now have bigger problems.  I re-started the system, my intention being to
try the install procedure of one of the youtube videos I saw, that used
gefs.  Part-way through that, I grew frustrated with the fact that the
system was only using a small amount of my screen, and decided to try to
back-track to use the command that fixes this.  In other words, I tried to
get out of inst/start.  I failed.  When it became clear I didn't have a
clue what I was doing and it wasn't working (not hard), I did the only
thing I could think of, a hard-reboot.  ..that was a mistake.  Well, there
was a mistake somewhere.  Now, when I boot.. I get to the screen where it
asks me to input the password to my hard-drive.. I can't.  I am using my
laptop via an external keyboard, connected via usb.  The keyboard does not
respond.  I have put in fresh batteries.  Checked that it is switched on,
nothing.  I am using an external keyboard because the contacts of the
ordinary keyboard have oxydized.  This is because I did a motherboard swap
a long time ago in such a way that I left the computer dissassembled for
months, not realizing the effect it would have on the contacts.  So, long
story short, something about what I did during the install procedure
(trying to exit it, then rebooting in the middle of it) killed the ability
of the computer to read the keyboard.  ..I can re-do my attempt to boot
using another hard-drive, but I suspect the motherboard is fried..  ..I
actually have another motherboard I can use, ironically enough.. now I
think about it.. the one in there now is used, cheep..  Also, the
hard-drive -has- had issues, it isn't new, squeeky clean.. ..I expect I'll
get back to you all once I've replaced both the ssd and the motherboard..
this will take a few days..

On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:

> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full output,
> including the suggestions.
>
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Greetings again all.
> >
> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude e7450.  I
> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
> >
> > I encountered the following problems:
> >
> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the recommendation of
> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
> >
> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
> >
> > Instead, I get:
> >
> > "
> > error writing partition table to disk
> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
> > "
> >
> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of things.
> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time, instead
> of
> > suggesting a layout, I get:
> >
> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
> >
> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp as my
> > 9fat partition.
> >
> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the file
> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works, great.
> > Thought I should report this though.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Mike :-)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings :-)
> > >
> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route.  now I'm
> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?  People
> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So.. shall we
> get on
> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on
> > > installing it (
> > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html), and
> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is
> > > woefully out of date.
> > > <
> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
> .>"
> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my tracks and
> causes me
> > > to write this e-mail instead.
> > >
> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and e7440,
> and a
> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a
> particular
> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke around
> trying to
> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't, not
> > > without more assurance of support.
> > >
> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first place.
> Keep
> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth
> investigating,
> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order, "The Art of
> Unix
> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the people whose
> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.  (..Of
> course, now
> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Michael :-)
> > >
> >
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> --
>     Ori Bernstein
>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

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Well it sounds like your disk is a goner, really. I would look into that with SMART or something.

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On Monday, November 10th, 2025 at 4:31 AM, Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings again all.
>
> I have now attempted to install 9front. On my dell latitude e7450. I followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
>
> I encountered the following problems:
>
> I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk. I follow the recommendation of accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
>
> Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
>
> Instead, I get:
>
> "
> error writing partition table to disk
> attempting to restore partitions to previous state
> cannot restore: error seeking on disk
> "
>
> It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of things.
> It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time, instead of suggesting a layout, I get:
>
> "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
>
> Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp as my 9fat partition.
> I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the file system instead of the default in the tutorial. if that works, great. Thought I should report this though.
>
> Cheers!
> Mike :-)
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings :-)
>>
>> ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems. windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route. now I'm hearing about plan9 and oberon. So, plan9 is the bees-knees? People daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates.. So.. shall we get on with it? :-) Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on installing it (https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html), and find: "[Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is woefully out of date.](https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date.)" ..this is not encouraging. In fact, it stops me in my tracks and causes me to write this e-mail instead.
>>
>> ..I currently have three computers. Dell Latitudes e7450 and e7440, and a Thinkpad T430. I am open to buying another one if there is a particular one that is recommended for plan9. I can get another more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can. ..I might poke around trying to follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't, not without more assurance of support.
>>
>> ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first place. Keep in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth investigating, are two different things. I credit, in historical order, "The Art of Unix Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor). vis are the people whose documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out. (..Of course, now that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael :-)
>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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The situation is overall very strange.  ..or maybe not strange at all.. no
errors seem to be reproducible.  At the moment, I'm carefully documenting
my progress through the install and.. it actually seems to be working,
except that I took the default (no) at the reaming option, then saw that
the instructions say to choose yes.  so now I'll have to restart.  sending
along the pictures of progress to date so you have them..
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've managed to get it working again!  it occurred to me that I -might- be
> able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power button for 30
> seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while the machine is
> plugged in or not, so I tried both.  ..it worked!
>
> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of to do this
> would be to take multiple pictures of it..
>
> I have now done this.  however, much to my surprise, the install method
> did -not- seem to be the same this time around.  As for what the cause of
> this could be.. I have no idea.  Right now, I have absolutely no confidence
> that it is doing what it is supposed to.  I'll send the  pics I have, not
> expecting them to be much help.  I did not succeed in getting all the
> output because it started printing things to the screen faster than I could
> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen got
> displayed.  I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot to regain
> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a year ago openbsd
> felt like an alien planet..
>
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full output,
>> including the suggestions.
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings again all.
>> >
>> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude e7450.  I
>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
>> >
>> > I encountered the following problems:
>> >
>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the recommendation of
>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
>> >
>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
>> >
>> > Instead, I get:
>> >
>> > "
>> > error writing partition table to disk
>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
>> > "
>> >
>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of things.
>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time, instead
>> of
>> > suggesting a layout, I get:
>> >
>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
>> >
>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp as
>> my
>> > 9fat partition.
>> >
>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the
>> file
>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works, great.
>> > Thought I should report this though.
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> > Mike :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Greetings :-)
>> > >
>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route.  now I'm
>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?  People
>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So.. shall we
>> get on
>> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on
>> > > installing it (
>> > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html),
>> and
>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is
>> > > woefully out of date.
>> > > <
>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
>> .>"
>> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my tracks and
>> causes me
>> > > to write this e-mail instead.
>> > >
>> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and e7440,
>> and a
>> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a
>> particular
>> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke around
>> trying to
>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't, not
>> > > without more assurance of support.
>> > >
>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first place.
>> Keep
>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth
>> investigating,
>> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order, "The Art of
>> Unix
>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the people
>> whose
>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.  (..Of
>> course, now
>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Michael :-)
>> > >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------
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>>
>> --
>>     Ori Bernstein
>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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This is about the best I can do.  I have to take the picture at exactly the
right time to get all the output before it vanishes.  I took one last
picture.  Best I can do to capture the last output before things go totally
hay-wire.

from here, I'll repeat the process with a fresh ssd, stop torturing
myself.  eventually, I'll try installing another os on this one, or try
using it as an external data-storage device.. :-)

 IMG_20251110_225059.jpg
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdGpslzjZnEmxCgW9zz_woGed2Bz2_nC/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Id7TiNiVcmiWL6_98uXIUTK7wSoKl_qc/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XM0w4qoLcbjppYsAlWKciY2dQOEx3r1h/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vuJymLqmDnIXqc6RFTlt3gW-kFYKpbQO/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KdePP1bQLLlPLJpST3SgdnIbmFeKogmg/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qHNeuYmOtnJqx407ImasM2Bq4kUaAEBn/view?usp=drive_web>
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<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZsrdG3EEX6cd3rWDp3OAsUp4Itc27py/view?usp=drive_web>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:57 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a better understanding now of what is happening.  It seems that it
> now prompts me for what I want to do vis-a-vis configfs, and then jumps
> over partdisk and prepdisk.  It is now telling me that they are done, even
> though I totally absolutely didn't do them.  at least, not this time
> around.  so.. the only thing that makes sense is that it is detecting what
> I told it to do the last time I tried to install, and is assuming
> (correctly, as it happens) that I still want it to do that same thing.
> however, what if I had realized I wanted to change something?  seems like a
> dangerous policy.  There must be a way of getting at these settings again,
> for when people want to change them later.
>
> Ok, here are 4 more pictures.  when it gets to reeming.. all hell breaks
> loose.  to capture all the output, I would have to re-launch the process..
> I'll do that, and send it along a little later..  ..I mean, maybe it's
> doing it's thing perfectly, and I just don't have the experience to
> recognize it..
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:41 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The situation is overall very strange.  ..or maybe not strange at all..
>> no errors seem to be reproducible.  At the moment, I'm carefully
>> documenting my progress through the install and.. it actually seems to be
>> working, except that I took the default (no) at the reaming option, then
>> saw that the instructions say to choose yes.  so now I'll have to restart.
>> sending along the pictures of progress to date so you have them..
>>  IMG_20251110_143536.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_143602.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_143615.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_143906.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_143925.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_145205.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_145347.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_145413.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_145441.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_145517.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_145622.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web>
>>  IMG_20251110_145751.jpg
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've managed to get it working again!  it occurred to me that I -might-
>>> be able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power button for
>>> 30 seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while the machine
>>> is plugged in or not, so I tried both.  ..it worked!
>>>
>>> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of to do this
>>> would be to take multiple pictures of it..
>>>
>>> I have now done this.  however, much to my surprise, the install method
>>> did -not- seem to be the same this time around.  As for what the cause of
>>> this could be.. I have no idea.  Right now, I have absolutely no confidence
>>> that it is doing what it is supposed to.  I'll send the  pics I have, not
>>> expecting them to be much help.  I did not succeed in getting all the
>>> output because it started printing things to the screen faster than I could
>>> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen got
>>> displayed.  I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot to regain
>>> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a year ago openbsd
>>> felt like an alien planet..
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full output,
>>>> including the suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Greetings again all.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude e7450.  I
>>>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
>>>> >
>>>> > I encountered the following problems:
>>>> >
>>>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the recommendation
>>>> of
>>>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
>>>> >
>>>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
>>>> >
>>>> > Instead, I get:
>>>> >
>>>> > "
>>>> > error writing partition table to disk
>>>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
>>>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
>>>> > "
>>>> >
>>>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of things.
>>>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time,
>>>> instead of
>>>> > suggesting a layout, I get:
>>>> >
>>>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
>>>> >
>>>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp
>>>> as my
>>>> > 9fat partition.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the
>>>> file
>>>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works, great.
>>>> > Thought I should report this though.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers!
>>>> > Mike :-)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Greetings :-)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
>>>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route.  now
>>>> I'm
>>>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?
>>>> People
>>>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So.. shall
>>>> we get on
>>>> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on
>>>> > > installing it (
>>>> > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html),
>>>> and
>>>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is
>>>> > > woefully out of date.
>>>> > > <
>>>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
>>>> .>"
>>>> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my tracks and
>>>> causes me
>>>> > > to write this e-mail instead.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and
>>>> e7440, and a
>>>> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a
>>>> particular
>>>> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
>>>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke around
>>>> trying to
>>>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't,
>>>> not
>>>> > > without more assurance of support.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first place.
>>>> Keep
>>>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth
>>>> investigating,
>>>> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order, "The Art
>>>> of Unix
>>>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the people
>>>> whose
>>>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.  (..Of
>>>> course, now
>>>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Cheers,
>>>> > > Michael :-)
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------------------
>>>> > 9fans: 9fans
>>>> > Permalink:
>>>> https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf075600980be0e2b-M6b5b6515f00f915c523814ee
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>     Ori Bernstein
>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ori]

First, you're installing to your USB disk. Second, your USB disk
is flaking out.

Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> This is about the best I can do.  I have to take the picture at exactly the
> right time to get all the output before it vanishes.  I took one last
> picture.  Best I can do to capture the last output before things go totally
> hay-wire.
> 
> from here, I'll repeat the process with a fresh ssd, stop torturing
> myself.  eventually, I'll try installing another os on this one, or try
> using it as an external data-storage device.. :-)
> 
>  IMG_20251110_225059.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfnYQhSZIv5YpIruD4WZ8pRRzaGZ8fQL/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_225118.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MU6_vZo2oGq6Uo1ppKgSERlR6B1rGT7O/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_225134.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdGpslzjZnEmxCgW9zz_woGed2Bz2_nC/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_225143.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Id7TiNiVcmiWL6_98uXIUTK7wSoKl_qc/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_225656.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XM0w4qoLcbjppYsAlWKciY2dQOEx3r1h/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_225704.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vuJymLqmDnIXqc6RFTlt3gW-kFYKpbQO/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_225717.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KdePP1bQLLlPLJpST3SgdnIbmFeKogmg/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_230449.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qHNeuYmOtnJqx407ImasM2Bq4kUaAEBn/view?usp=drive_web>
>  IMG_20251110_230839.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZsrdG3EEX6cd3rWDp3OAsUp4Itc27py/view?usp=drive_web>
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:57 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I have a better understanding now of what is happening.  It seems that it
> > now prompts me for what I want to do vis-a-vis configfs, and then jumps
> > over partdisk and prepdisk.  It is now telling me that they are done, even
> > though I totally absolutely didn't do them.  at least, not this time
> > around.  so.. the only thing that makes sense is that it is detecting what
> > I told it to do the last time I tried to install, and is assuming
> > (correctly, as it happens) that I still want it to do that same thing.
> > however, what if I had realized I wanted to change something?  seems like a
> > dangerous policy.  There must be a way of getting at these settings again,
> > for when people want to change them later.
> >
> > Ok, here are 4 more pictures.  when it gets to reeming.. all hell breaks
> > loose.  to capture all the output, I would have to re-launch the process..
> > I'll do that, and send it along a little later..  ..I mean, maybe it's
> > doing it's thing perfectly, and I just don't have the experience to
> > recognize it..
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:41 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The situation is overall very strange.  ..or maybe not strange at all..
> >> no errors seem to be reproducible.  At the moment, I'm carefully
> >> documenting my progress through the install and.. it actually seems to be
> >> working, except that I took the default (no) at the reaming option, then
> >> saw that the instructions say to choose yes.  so now I'll have to restart.
> >> sending along the pictures of progress to date so you have them..
> >>  IMG_20251110_143536.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_143602.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_143615.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_143906.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_143925.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_145205.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_145347.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_145413.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_145441.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_145517.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_145622.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>  IMG_20251110_145751.jpg
> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen <
> >> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've managed to get it working again!  it occurred to me that I -might-
> >>> be able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power button for
> >>> 30 seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while the machine
> >>> is plugged in or not, so I tried both.  ..it worked!
> >>>
> >>> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of to do this
> >>> would be to take multiple pictures of it..
> >>>
> >>> I have now done this.  however, much to my surprise, the install method
> >>> did -not- seem to be the same this time around.  As for what the cause of
> >>> this could be.. I have no idea.  Right now, I have absolutely no confidence
> >>> that it is doing what it is supposed to.  I'll send the  pics I have, not
> >>> expecting them to be much help.  I did not succeed in getting all the
> >>> output because it started printing things to the screen faster than I could
> >>> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen got
> >>> displayed.  I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot to regain
> >>> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a year ago openbsd
> >>> felt like an alien planet..
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full output,
> >>>> including the suggestions.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
> >>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Greetings again all.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude e7450.  I
> >>>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I encountered the following problems:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the recommendation
> >>>> of
> >>>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Instead, I get:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > "
> >>>> > error writing partition table to disk
> >>>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
> >>>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
> >>>> > "
> >>>> >
> >>>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of things.
> >>>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time,
> >>>> instead of
> >>>> > suggesting a layout, I get:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp
> >>>> as my
> >>>> > 9fat partition.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the
> >>>> file
> >>>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works, great.
> >>>> > Thought I should report this though.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cheers!
> >>>> > Mike :-)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Greetings :-)
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
> >>>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route.  now
> >>>> I'm
> >>>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?
> >>>> People
> >>>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So.. shall
> >>>> we get on
> >>>> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on
> >>>> > > installing it (
> >>>> > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html),
> >>>> and
> >>>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is
> >>>> > > woefully out of date.
> >>>> > > <
> >>>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
> >>>> .>"
> >>>> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my tracks and
> >>>> causes me
> >>>> > > to write this e-mail instead.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and
> >>>> e7440, and a
> >>>> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a
> >>>> particular
> >>>> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
> >>>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke around
> >>>> trying to
> >>>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't,
> >>>> not
> >>>> > > without more assurance of support.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first place.
> >>>> Keep
> >>>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth
> >>>> investigating,
> >>>> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order, "The Art
> >>>> of Unix
> >>>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the people
> >>>> whose
> >>>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.  (..Of
> >>>> course, now
> >>>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Cheers,
> >>>> > > Michael :-)
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ------------------------------------------
> >>>> > 9fans: 9fans
> >>>> > Permalink:
> >>>> https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf075600980be0e2b-M6b5b6515f00f915c523814ee
> >>>> > Delivery options:
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>     Ori Bernstein
> >>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Jonas Amoson]

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To me, it looks like you are trying to install the system on the usb-drive you are booting from. The installer would typically show all disks/partitions it found, and let you choose where you want to install.


Jonas


On Tue, 11 Nov, 2025 at 7:01 AM, Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Capture it as a video and copy out relevant frames from the footage?


On 11/10/25 23:17, Michael Jensen wrote:
> I have to take the picture at exactly the right time

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ori]

Your photos indicated that you were installing to a USB disk. Are you
sure you're installing to the disk you want to use?

Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> This is very strange.  I have re-started the installation process with a
> brand-new ssd.  And I -still- get that partdisk and prepdisk are already
> done.  That only makes sense if the changes they made got made to the
> motherboard, because this is a new ssd.  Or are all these
> changes/selections getting saved to the -installation- medium?
> 
> ..ok, this is going nowhere fast..  I'm getting what looks like the same
> problem as before.  ..so.. the ssd -isn't- the issue?  ..so.. it must be
> the motherboard?  I mean, maybe I just got the one ssd in the store that
> isn't any good..
> 
> and no, I again didn't get -all- the output.. I didn't know what to
> expect.  I kinda hoped it would just work..
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:17 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > This is about the best I can do.  I have to take the picture at exactly
> > the right time to get all the output before it vanishes.  I took one last
> > picture.  Best I can do to capture the last output before things go totally
> > hay-wire.
> >
> > from here, I'll repeat the process with a fresh ssd, stop torturing
> > myself.  eventually, I'll try installing another os on this one, or try
> > using it as an external data-storage device.. :-)
> >
> >  IMG_20251110_225059.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfnYQhSZIv5YpIruD4WZ8pRRzaGZ8fQL/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_225118.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MU6_vZo2oGq6Uo1ppKgSERlR6B1rGT7O/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_225134.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdGpslzjZnEmxCgW9zz_woGed2Bz2_nC/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_225143.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Id7TiNiVcmiWL6_98uXIUTK7wSoKl_qc/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_225656.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XM0w4qoLcbjppYsAlWKciY2dQOEx3r1h/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_225704.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vuJymLqmDnIXqc6RFTlt3gW-kFYKpbQO/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_225717.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KdePP1bQLLlPLJpST3SgdnIbmFeKogmg/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_230449.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qHNeuYmOtnJqx407ImasM2Bq4kUaAEBn/view?usp=drive_web>
> >  IMG_20251110_230839.jpg
> > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZsrdG3EEX6cd3rWDp3OAsUp4Itc27py/view?usp=drive_web>
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:57 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have a better understanding now of what is happening.  It seems that it
> >> now prompts me for what I want to do vis-a-vis configfs, and then jumps
> >> over partdisk and prepdisk.  It is now telling me that they are done, even
> >> though I totally absolutely didn't do them.  at least, not this time
> >> around.  so.. the only thing that makes sense is that it is detecting what
> >> I told it to do the last time I tried to install, and is assuming
> >> (correctly, as it happens) that I still want it to do that same thing.
> >> however, what if I had realized I wanted to change something?  seems like a
> >> dangerous policy.  There must be a way of getting at these settings again,
> >> for when people want to change them later.
> >>
> >> Ok, here are 4 more pictures.  when it gets to reeming.. all hell breaks
> >> loose.  to capture all the output, I would have to re-launch the process..
> >> I'll do that, and send it along a little later..  ..I mean, maybe it's
> >> doing it's thing perfectly, and I just don't have the experience to
> >> recognize it..
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:41 PM Michael Jensen <
> >> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The situation is overall very strange.  ..or maybe not strange at all..
> >>> no errors seem to be reproducible.  At the moment, I'm carefully
> >>> documenting my progress through the install and.. it actually seems to be
> >>> working, except that I took the default (no) at the reaming option, then
> >>> saw that the instructions say to choose yes.  so now I'll have to restart.
> >>> sending along the pictures of progress to date so you have them..
> >>>  IMG_20251110_143536.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_143602.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_143615.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_143906.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_143925.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_145205.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_145347.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_145413.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_145441.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_145517.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_145622.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>  IMG_20251110_145751.jpg
> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've managed to get it working again!  it occurred to me that I -might-
> >>>> be able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power button for
> >>>> 30 seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while the machine
> >>>> is plugged in or not, so I tried both.  ..it worked!
> >>>>
> >>>> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of to do this
> >>>> would be to take multiple pictures of it..
> >>>>
> >>>> I have now done this.  however, much to my surprise, the install method
> >>>> did -not- seem to be the same this time around.  As for what the cause of
> >>>> this could be.. I have no idea.  Right now, I have absolutely no confidence
> >>>> that it is doing what it is supposed to.  I'll send the  pics I have, not
> >>>> expecting them to be much help.  I did not succeed in getting all the
> >>>> output because it started printing things to the screen faster than I could
> >>>> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen got
> >>>> displayed.  I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot to regain
> >>>> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a year ago openbsd
> >>>> felt like an alien planet..
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full output,
> >>>>> including the suggestions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
> >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Greetings again all.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude e7450.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I encountered the following problems:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the
> >>>>> recommendation of
> >>>>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Instead, I get:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > "
> >>>>> > error writing partition table to disk
> >>>>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
> >>>>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
> >>>>> > "
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of
> >>>>> things.
> >>>>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time,
> >>>>> instead of
> >>>>> > suggesting a layout, I get:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to use esp
> >>>>> as my
> >>>>> > 9fat partition.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs as the
> >>>>> file
> >>>>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works, great.
> >>>>> > Thought I should report this though.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Cheers!
> >>>>> > Mike :-)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > > Greetings :-)
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
> >>>>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried en-route.  now
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?
> >>>>> People
> >>>>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So.. shall
> >>>>> we get on
> >>>>> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for instructions on
> >>>>> > > installing it (
> >>>>> > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html),
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this one is
> >>>>> > > woefully out of date.
> >>>>> > > <
> >>>>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
> >>>>> .>"
> >>>>> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my tracks and
> >>>>> causes me
> >>>>> > > to write this e-mail instead.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and
> >>>>> e7440, and a
> >>>>> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a
> >>>>> particular
> >>>>> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
> >>>>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke around
> >>>>> trying to
> >>>>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I won't,
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> > > without more assurance of support.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first
> >>>>> place.  Keep
> >>>>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth
> >>>>> investigating,
> >>>>> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order, "The Art
> >>>>> of Unix
> >>>>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the people
> >>>>> whose
> >>>>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.  (..Of
> >>>>> course, now
> >>>>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Cheers,
> >>>>> > > Michael :-)
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > ------------------------------------------
> >>>>> > 9fans: 9fans
> >>>>> > Permalink:
> >>>>> https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf075600980be0e2b-M6b5b6515f00f915c523814ee
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>     Ori Bernstein
> >>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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I have done further tests, confirming that when other ssd's are in the
computer, with other operating systems, they -are- recognized.  I also
switched to legacy boot to see if anything changed, but no.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 11:07 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Greetings.
>
> I finally have some more hard-data for you.  I finally "re-burned" my
> install media.. cause.. just cause.  The installation process clearly does
> not leave it unchanged, so to do a fresh clean test.. gotta start again
> with fresh components.  Wasn't actually all that hard.  for the record, I
> used the following command, from pen-drive linux:
> https://pendrivelinux.com/create-bootable-usb-from-iso-using-dd/ :
>
> sudo dd if=/path/to/filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress
>
> once in the system.. it will be clear from the picture..  The ssd in my
> computer is not recognized.  If you ask me why not, you're asking the wrong
> person.  I've tried the test with the ssd I originally tried with, and with
> a brand-new one. (WD, and Kingston [brand-new])
>
> ..Including another pic or two, in case they have info that might be
> useful..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 5:26 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Absolutely not!  I'm not sure of anything.. :-)  Also, no, I don't want
>> to install to the usb.  The usb is the boot-medium.  I want to install to
>> the computer.. the ssd..  Yes.  I'm even more of a clueless stranger in an
>> alien world than I thought..  -_-
>>
>> For what it's worth, I will observe that I have now tried installing to
>> another computer.  To test out if the motherboard was the problem.  ..and I
>> got even less far.  this is a thinkpad t430..
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 4:09 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Your photos indicated that you were installing to a USB disk. Are you
>>> sure you're installing to the disk you want to use?
>>>
>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>> > This is very strange.  I have re-started the installation process with
>>> a
>>> > brand-new ssd.  And I -still- get that partdisk and prepdisk are
>>> already
>>> > done.  That only makes sense if the changes they made got made to the
>>> > motherboard, because this is a new ssd.  Or are all these
>>> > changes/selections getting saved to the -installation- medium?
>>> >
>>> > ..ok, this is going nowhere fast..  I'm getting what looks like the
>>> same
>>> > problem as before.  ..so.. the ssd -isn't- the issue?  ..so.. it must
>>> be
>>> > the motherboard?  I mean, maybe I just got the one ssd in the store
>>> that
>>> > isn't any good..
>>> >
>>> > and no, I again didn't get -all- the output.. I didn't know what to
>>> > expect.  I kinda hoped it would just work..
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:17 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > This is about the best I can do.  I have to take the picture at
>>> exactly
>>> > > the right time to get all the output before it vanishes.  I took one
>>> last
>>> > > picture.  Best I can do to capture the last output before things go
>>> totally
>>> > > hay-wire.
>>> > >
>>> > > from here, I'll repeat the process with a fresh ssd, stop torturing
>>> > > myself.  eventually, I'll try installing another os on this one, or
>>> try
>>> > > using it as an external data-storage device.. :-)
>>> > >
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_225059.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfnYQhSZIv5YpIruD4WZ8pRRzaGZ8fQL/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_225118.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MU6_vZo2oGq6Uo1ppKgSERlR6B1rGT7O/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_225134.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdGpslzjZnEmxCgW9zz_woGed2Bz2_nC/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_225143.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Id7TiNiVcmiWL6_98uXIUTK7wSoKl_qc/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_225656.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XM0w4qoLcbjppYsAlWKciY2dQOEx3r1h/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_225704.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vuJymLqmDnIXqc6RFTlt3gW-kFYKpbQO/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_225717.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KdePP1bQLLlPLJpST3SgdnIbmFeKogmg/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_230449.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qHNeuYmOtnJqx407ImasM2Bq4kUaAEBn/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >  IMG_20251110_230839.jpg
>>> > > <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZsrdG3EEX6cd3rWDp3OAsUp4Itc27py/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:57 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> I have a better understanding now of what is happening.  It seems
>>> that it
>>> > >> now prompts me for what I want to do vis-a-vis configfs, and then
>>> jumps
>>> > >> over partdisk and prepdisk.  It is now telling me that they are
>>> done, even
>>> > >> though I totally absolutely didn't do them.  at least, not this time
>>> > >> around.  so.. the only thing that makes sense is that it is
>>> detecting what
>>> > >> I told it to do the last time I tried to install, and is assuming
>>> > >> (correctly, as it happens) that I still want it to do that same
>>> thing.
>>> > >> however, what if I had realized I wanted to change something?
>>> seems like a
>>> > >> dangerous policy.  There must be a way of getting at these settings
>>> again,
>>> > >> for when people want to change them later.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Ok, here are 4 more pictures.  when it gets to reeming.. all hell
>>> breaks
>>> > >> loose.  to capture all the output, I would have to re-launch the
>>> process..
>>> > >> I'll do that, and send it along a little later..  ..I mean, maybe
>>> it's
>>> > >> doing it's thing perfectly, and I just don't have the experience to
>>> > >> recognize it..
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:41 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> > >> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> The situation is overall very strange.  ..or maybe not strange at
>>> all..
>>> > >>> no errors seem to be reproducible.  At the moment, I'm carefully
>>> > >>> documenting my progress through the install and.. it actually
>>> seems to be
>>> > >>> working, except that I took the default (no) at the reaming
>>> option, then
>>> > >>> saw that the instructions say to choose yes.  so now I'll have to
>>> restart.
>>> > >>> sending along the pictures of progress to date so you have them..
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143536.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143602.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143615.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143906.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143925.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145205.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145347.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145413.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145441.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145517.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145622.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145751.jpg
>>> > >>> <
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> > >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> I've managed to get it working again!  it occurred to me that I
>>> -might-
>>> > >>>> be able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power
>>> button for
>>> > >>>> 30 seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while the
>>> machine
>>> > >>>> is plugged in or not, so I tried both.  ..it worked!
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of to do
>>> this
>>> > >>>> would be to take multiple pictures of it..
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> I have now done this.  however, much to my surprise, the install
>>> method
>>> > >>>> did -not- seem to be the same this time around.  As for what the
>>> cause of
>>> > >>>> this could be.. I have no idea.  Right now, I have absolutely no
>>> confidence
>>> > >>>> that it is doing what it is supposed to.  I'll send the  pics I
>>> have, not
>>> > >>>> expecting them to be much help.  I did not succeed in getting all
>>> the
>>> > >>>> output because it started printing things to the screen faster
>>> than I could
>>> > >>>> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen got
>>> > >>>> displayed.  I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot to
>>> regain
>>> > >>>> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a year
>>> ago openbsd
>>> > >>>> felt like an alien planet..
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org
>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full
>>> output,
>>> > >>>>> including the suggestions.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>>> > >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> > Greetings again all.
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude
>>> e7450.
>>> > >>>>> I
>>> > >>>>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > I encountered the following problems:
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the
>>> > >>>>> recommendation of
>>> > >>>>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > Instead, I get:
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > "
>>> > >>>>> > error writing partition table to disk
>>> > >>>>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
>>> > >>>>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
>>> > >>>>> > "
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of
>>> > >>>>> things.
>>> > >>>>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time,
>>> > >>>>> instead of
>>> > >>>>> > suggesting a layout, I get:
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to
>>> use esp
>>> > >>>>> as my
>>> > >>>>> > 9fat partition.
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs
>>> as the
>>> > >>>>> file
>>> > >>>>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works,
>>> great.
>>> > >>>>> > Thought I should report this though.
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > Cheers!
>>> > >>>>> > Mike :-)
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> > >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>>> > >>>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > > Greetings :-)
>>> > >>>>> > >
>>> > >>>>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
>>> > >>>>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried
>>> en-route.  now
>>> > >>>>> I'm
>>> > >>>>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?
>>> > >>>>> People
>>> > >>>>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So..
>>> shall
>>> > >>>>> we get on
>>> > >>>>> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for
>>> instructions on
>>> > >>>>> > > installing it (
>>> > >>>>> > >
>>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html),
>>> > >>>>> and
>>> > >>>>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this
>>> one is
>>> > >>>>> > > woefully out of date.
>>> > >>>>> > > <
>>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
>>> > >>>>> .>"
>>> > >>>>> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my
>>> tracks and
>>> > >>>>> causes me
>>> > >>>>> > > to write this e-mail instead.
>>> > >>>>> > >
>>> > >>>>> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and
>>> > >>>>> e7440, and a
>>> > >>>>> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a
>>> > >>>>> particular
>>> > >>>>> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
>>> > >>>>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke
>>> around
>>> > >>>>> trying to
>>> > >>>>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I
>>> won't,
>>> > >>>>> not
>>> > >>>>> > > without more assurance of support.
>>> > >>>>> > >
>>> > >>>>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first
>>> > >>>>> place.  Keep
>>> > >>>>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth
>>> > >>>>> investigating,
>>> > >>>>> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order,
>>> "The Art
>>> > >>>>> of Unix
>>> > >>>>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the
>>> people
>>> > >>>>> whose
>>> > >>>>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.
>>> (..Of
>>> > >>>>> course, now
>>> > >>>>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
>>> > >>>>> > >
>>> > >>>>> > > Cheers,
>>> > >>>>> > > Michael :-)
>>> > >>>>> > >
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------
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>>> > >>>>> > Permalink:
>>> https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf075600980be0e2b-M6b5b6515f00f915c523814ee
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>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> --
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>>> > >>>>>
>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ori]

output of 'pci -v', '/dev/kprint'?

also, tip: connect to the internet and then use webpaste,
instead of taking photos. It's a *LOT* easier to read text.

Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> I have done further tests, confirming that when other ssd's are in the
> computer, with other operating systems, they -are- recognized.  I also
> switched to legacy boot to see if anything changed, but no.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 11:07 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings.
> >
> > I finally have some more hard-data for you.  I finally "re-burned" my
> > install media.. cause.. just cause.  The installation process clearly does
> > not leave it unchanged, so to do a fresh clean test.. gotta start again
> > with fresh components.  Wasn't actually all that hard.  for the record, I
> > used the following command, from pen-drive linux:
> > https://pendrivelinux.com/create-bootable-usb-from-iso-using-dd/ :
> >
> > sudo dd if=/path/to/filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress
> >
> > once in the system.. it will be clear from the picture..  The ssd in my
> > computer is not recognized.  If you ask me why not, you're asking the wrong
> > person.  I've tried the test with the ssd I originally tried with, and with
> > a brand-new one. (WD, and Kingston [brand-new])
> >
> > ..Including another pic or two, in case they have info that might be
> > useful..
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 5:26 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Absolutely not!  I'm not sure of anything.. :-)  Also, no, I don't want
> >> to install to the usb.  The usb is the boot-medium.  I want to install to
> >> the computer.. the ssd..  Yes.  I'm even more of a clueless stranger in an
> >> alien world than I thought..  -_-
> >>
> >> For what it's worth, I will observe that I have now tried installing to
> >> another computer.  To test out if the motherboard was the problem.  ..and I
> >> got even less far.  this is a thinkpad t430..
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 4:09 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Your photos indicated that you were installing to a USB disk. Are you
> >>> sure you're installing to the disk you want to use?
> >>>
> >>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> >>> > This is very strange.  I have re-started the installation process with
> >>> a
> >>> > brand-new ssd.  And I -still- get that partdisk and prepdisk are
> >>> already
> >>> > done.  That only makes sense if the changes they made got made to the
> >>> > motherboard, because this is a new ssd.  Or are all these
> >>> > changes/selections getting saved to the -installation- medium?
> >>> >
> >>> > ..ok, this is going nowhere fast..  I'm getting what looks like the
> >>> same
> >>> > problem as before.  ..so.. the ssd -isn't- the issue?  ..so.. it must
> >>> be
> >>> > the motherboard?  I mean, maybe I just got the one ssd in the store
> >>> that
> >>> > isn't any good..
> >>> >
> >>> > and no, I again didn't get -all- the output.. I didn't know what to
> >>> > expect.  I kinda hoped it would just work..
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:17 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > This is about the best I can do.  I have to take the picture at
> >>> exactly
> >>> > > the right time to get all the output before it vanishes.  I took one
> >>> last
> >>> > > picture.  Best I can do to capture the last output before things go
> >>> totally
> >>> > > hay-wire.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > from here, I'll repeat the process with a fresh ssd, stop torturing
> >>> > > myself.  eventually, I'll try installing another os on this one, or
> >>> try
> >>> > > using it as an external data-storage device.. :-)
> >>> > >
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225059.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfnYQhSZIv5YpIruD4WZ8pRRzaGZ8fQL/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225118.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MU6_vZo2oGq6Uo1ppKgSERlR6B1rGT7O/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225134.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdGpslzjZnEmxCgW9zz_woGed2Bz2_nC/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225143.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Id7TiNiVcmiWL6_98uXIUTK7wSoKl_qc/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225656.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XM0w4qoLcbjppYsAlWKciY2dQOEx3r1h/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225704.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vuJymLqmDnIXqc6RFTlt3gW-kFYKpbQO/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225717.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KdePP1bQLLlPLJpST3SgdnIbmFeKogmg/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_230449.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qHNeuYmOtnJqx407ImasM2Bq4kUaAEBn/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >  IMG_20251110_230839.jpg
> >>> > > <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZsrdG3EEX6cd3rWDp3OAsUp4Itc27py/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:57 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> I have a better understanding now of what is happening.  It seems
> >>> that it
> >>> > >> now prompts me for what I want to do vis-a-vis configfs, and then
> >>> jumps
> >>> > >> over partdisk and prepdisk.  It is now telling me that they are
> >>> done, even
> >>> > >> though I totally absolutely didn't do them.  at least, not this time
> >>> > >> around.  so.. the only thing that makes sense is that it is
> >>> detecting what
> >>> > >> I told it to do the last time I tried to install, and is assuming
> >>> > >> (correctly, as it happens) that I still want it to do that same
> >>> thing.
> >>> > >> however, what if I had realized I wanted to change something?
> >>> seems like a
> >>> > >> dangerous policy.  There must be a way of getting at these settings
> >>> again,
> >>> > >> for when people want to change them later.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Ok, here are 4 more pictures.  when it gets to reeming.. all hell
> >>> breaks
> >>> > >> loose.  to capture all the output, I would have to re-launch the
> >>> process..
> >>> > >> I'll do that, and send it along a little later..  ..I mean, maybe
> >>> it's
> >>> > >> doing it's thing perfectly, and I just don't have the experience to
> >>> > >> recognize it..
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:41 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>> > >> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>> The situation is overall very strange.  ..or maybe not strange at
> >>> all..
> >>> > >>> no errors seem to be reproducible.  At the moment, I'm carefully
> >>> > >>> documenting my progress through the install and.. it actually
> >>> seems to be
> >>> > >>> working, except that I took the default (no) at the reaming
> >>> option, then
> >>> > >>> saw that the instructions say to choose yes.  so now I'll have to
> >>> restart.
> >>> > >>> sending along the pictures of progress to date so you have them..
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143536.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143602.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143615.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143906.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143925.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145205.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145347.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145413.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145441.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145517.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145622.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145751.jpg
> >>> > >>> <
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>> > >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> I've managed to get it working again!  it occurred to me that I
> >>> -might-
> >>> > >>>> be able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power
> >>> button for
> >>> > >>>> 30 seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while the
> >>> machine
> >>> > >>>> is plugged in or not, so I tried both.  ..it worked!
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of to do
> >>> this
> >>> > >>>> would be to take multiple pictures of it..
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> I have now done this.  however, much to my surprise, the install
> >>> method
> >>> > >>>> did -not- seem to be the same this time around.  As for what the
> >>> cause of
> >>> > >>>> this could be.. I have no idea.  Right now, I have absolutely no
> >>> confidence
> >>> > >>>> that it is doing what it is supposed to.  I'll send the  pics I
> >>> have, not
> >>> > >>>> expecting them to be much help.  I did not succeed in getting all
> >>> the
> >>> > >>>> output because it started printing things to the screen faster
> >>> than I could
> >>> > >>>> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen got
> >>> > >>>> displayed.  I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot to
> >>> regain
> >>> > >>>> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a year
> >>> ago openbsd
> >>> > >>>> felt like an alien planet..
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org
> >>> > >>>> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the full
> >>> output,
> >>> > >>>>> including the suggestions.
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
> >>> > >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>> > Greetings again all.
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell latitude
> >>> e7450.
> >>> > >>>>> I
> >>> > >>>>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > I encountered the following problems:
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the
> >>> > >>>>> recommendation of
> >>> > >>>>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > Instead, I get:
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > "
> >>> > >>>>> > error writing partition table to disk
> >>> > >>>>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
> >>> > >>>>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
> >>> > >>>>> > "
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a bunch of
> >>> > >>>>> things.
> >>> > >>>>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this time,
> >>> > >>>>> instead of
> >>> > >>>>> > suggesting a layout, I get:
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to
> >>> use esp
> >>> > >>>>> as my
> >>> > >>>>> > 9fat partition.
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the gefs
> >>> as the
> >>> > >>>>> file
> >>> > >>>>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that works,
> >>> great.
> >>> > >>>>> > Thought I should report this though.
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > Cheers!
> >>> > >>>>> > Mike :-)
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
> >>> > >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> >>> > >>>>> > wrote:
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > > Greetings :-)
> >>> > >>>>> > >
> >>> > >>>>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating systems.
> >>> > >>>>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried
> >>> en-route.  now
> >>> > >>>>> I'm
> >>> > >>>>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the bees-knees?
> >>> > >>>>> People
> >>> > >>>>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..  So..
> >>> shall
> >>> > >>>>> we get on
> >>> > >>>>> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for
> >>> instructions on
> >>> > >>>>> > > installing it (
> >>> > >>>>> > >
> >>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html),
> >>> > >>>>> and
> >>> > >>>>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere, this
> >>> one is
> >>> > >>>>> > > woefully out of date.
> >>> > >>>>> > > <
> >>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
> >>> > >>>>> .>"
> >>> > >>>>> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my
> >>> tracks and
> >>> > >>>>> causes me
> >>> > >>>>> > > to write this e-mail instead.
> >>> > >>>>> > >
> >>> > >>>>> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes e7450 and
> >>> > >>>>> e7440, and a
> >>> > >>>>> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there is a
> >>> > >>>>> particular
> >>> > >>>>> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
> >>> > >>>>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke
> >>> around
> >>> > >>>>> trying to
> >>> > >>>>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says that I
> >>> won't,
> >>> > >>>>> not
> >>> > >>>>> > > without more assurance of support.
> >>> > >>>>> > >
> >>> > >>>>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the first
> >>> > >>>>> place.  Keep
> >>> > >>>>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's worth
> >>> > >>>>> investigating,
> >>> > >>>>> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order,
> >>> "The Art
> >>> > >>>>> of Unix
> >>> > >>>>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are the
> >>> people
> >>> > >>>>> whose
> >>> > >>>>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.
> >>> (..Of
> >>> > >>>>> course, now
> >>> > >>>>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of hits..)
> >>> > >>>>> > >
> >>> > >>>>> > > Cheers,
> >>> > >>>>> > > Michael :-)
> >>> > >>>>> > >
> >>> > >>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------
> >>> > >>>>> > 9fans: 9fans
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> >>> https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf075600980be0e2b-M6b5b6515f00f915c523814ee
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> >>> > >>>>>
> >>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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My apologies for a few things, not knowing about webpaste already being one
of them.  Others are not answering your question already.  I now have the
answer, I think.  Getting it to you is a bit trickier.  You have very
effectively switched me over from trying to install it (..surely the first
step in learning a new os?..), to learning how to use it before installing
it.  This could take days, or weeks, or months.. -_- ;-)

On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 12:02 AM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:

> output of 'pci -v', '/dev/kprint'?
>
> also, tip: connect to the internet and then use webpaste,
> instead of taking photos. It's a *LOT* easier to read text.
>
> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> > I have done further tests, confirming that when other ssd's are in the
> > computer, with other operating systems, they -are- recognized.  I also
> > switched to legacy boot to see if anything changed, but no.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 11:07 PM Michael Jensen <
> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings.
> > >
> > > I finally have some more hard-data for you.  I finally "re-burned" my
> > > install media.. cause.. just cause.  The installation process clearly
> does
> > > not leave it unchanged, so to do a fresh clean test.. gotta start again
> > > with fresh components.  Wasn't actually all that hard.  for the
> record, I
> > > used the following command, from pen-drive linux:
> > > https://pendrivelinux.com/create-bootable-usb-from-iso-using-dd/ :
> > >
> > > sudo dd if=/path/to/filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress
> > >
> > > once in the system.. it will be clear from the picture..  The ssd in my
> > > computer is not recognized.  If you ask me why not, you're asking the
> wrong
> > > person.  I've tried the test with the ssd I originally tried with, and
> with
> > > a brand-new one. (WD, and Kingston [brand-new])
> > >
> > > ..Including another pic or two, in case they have info that might be
> > > useful..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 5:26 PM Michael Jensen <
> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Absolutely not!  I'm not sure of anything.. :-)  Also, no, I don't
> want
> > >> to install to the usb.  The usb is the boot-medium.  I want to
> install to
> > >> the computer.. the ssd..  Yes.  I'm even more of a clueless stranger
> in an
> > >> alien world than I thought..  -_-
> > >>
> > >> For what it's worth, I will observe that I have now tried installing
> to
> > >> another computer.  To test out if the motherboard was the problem.
> ..and I
> > >> got even less far.  this is a thinkpad t430..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 4:09 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Your photos indicated that you were installing to a USB disk. Are you
> > >>> sure you're installing to the disk you want to use?
> > >>>
> > >>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> > >>> > This is very strange.  I have re-started the installation process
> with
> > >>> a
> > >>> > brand-new ssd.  And I -still- get that partdisk and prepdisk are
> > >>> already
> > >>> > done.  That only makes sense if the changes they made got made to
> the
> > >>> > motherboard, because this is a new ssd.  Or are all these
> > >>> > changes/selections getting saved to the -installation- medium?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ..ok, this is going nowhere fast..  I'm getting what looks like the
> > >>> same
> > >>> > problem as before.  ..so.. the ssd -isn't- the issue?  ..so.. it
> must
> > >>> be
> > >>> > the motherboard?  I mean, maybe I just got the one ssd in the store
> > >>> that
> > >>> > isn't any good..
> > >>> >
> > >>> > and no, I again didn't get -all- the output.. I didn't know what to
> > >>> > expect.  I kinda hoped it would just work..
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:17 PM Michael Jensen <
> > >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > This is about the best I can do.  I have to take the picture at
> > >>> exactly
> > >>> > > the right time to get all the output before it vanishes.  I took
> one
> > >>> last
> > >>> > > picture.  Best I can do to capture the last output before things
> go
> > >>> totally
> > >>> > > hay-wire.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > from here, I'll repeat the process with a fresh ssd, stop
> torturing
> > >>> > > myself.  eventually, I'll try installing another os on this one,
> or
> > >>> try
> > >>> > > using it as an external data-storage device.. :-)
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225059.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfnYQhSZIv5YpIruD4WZ8pRRzaGZ8fQL/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225118.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MU6_vZo2oGq6Uo1ppKgSERlR6B1rGT7O/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225134.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdGpslzjZnEmxCgW9zz_woGed2Bz2_nC/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225143.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Id7TiNiVcmiWL6_98uXIUTK7wSoKl_qc/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225656.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XM0w4qoLcbjppYsAlWKciY2dQOEx3r1h/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225704.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vuJymLqmDnIXqc6RFTlt3gW-kFYKpbQO/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_225717.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KdePP1bQLLlPLJpST3SgdnIbmFeKogmg/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_230449.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qHNeuYmOtnJqx407ImasM2Bq4kUaAEBn/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >  IMG_20251110_230839.jpg
> > >>> > > <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZsrdG3EEX6cd3rWDp3OAsUp4Itc27py/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 8:57 PM Michael Jensen <
> > >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > >>> > > wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >> I have a better understanding now of what is happening.  It
> seems
> > >>> that it
> > >>> > >> now prompts me for what I want to do vis-a-vis configfs, and
> then
> > >>> jumps
> > >>> > >> over partdisk and prepdisk.  It is now telling me that they are
> > >>> done, even
> > >>> > >> though I totally absolutely didn't do them.  at least, not this
> time
> > >>> > >> around.  so.. the only thing that makes sense is that it is
> > >>> detecting what
> > >>> > >> I told it to do the last time I tried to install, and is
> assuming
> > >>> > >> (correctly, as it happens) that I still want it to do that same
> > >>> thing.
> > >>> > >> however, what if I had realized I wanted to change something?
> > >>> seems like a
> > >>> > >> dangerous policy.  There must be a way of getting at these
> settings
> > >>> again,
> > >>> > >> for when people want to change them later.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> Ok, here are 4 more pictures.  when it gets to reeming.. all
> hell
> > >>> breaks
> > >>> > >> loose.  to capture all the output, I would have to re-launch the
> > >>> process..
> > >>> > >> I'll do that, and send it along a little later..  ..I mean,
> maybe
> > >>> it's
> > >>> > >> doing it's thing perfectly, and I just don't have the
> experience to
> > >>> > >> recognize it..
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:41 PM Michael Jensen <
> > >>> > >> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>> The situation is overall very strange.  ..or maybe not strange
> at
> > >>> all..
> > >>> > >>> no errors seem to be reproducible.  At the moment, I'm
> carefully
> > >>> > >>> documenting my progress through the install and.. it actually
> > >>> seems to be
> > >>> > >>> working, except that I took the default (no) at the reaming
> > >>> option, then
> > >>> > >>> saw that the instructions say to choose yes.  so now I'll have
> to
> > >>> restart.
> > >>> > >>> sending along the pictures of progress to date so you have
> them..
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143536.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOll5mmHPHOyhxxhpK5QSr5aEWVRIkCH/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143602.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKwmoQUOL_IGdtHJ62R8T1sbkTNeMVXv/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143615.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkA2VmnX8J3xAgm9m3tJicHtaGjuKXvs/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143906.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K1rzSXbiL4Swo5qYhlHdH6smuz9nxITp/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_143925.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/141g9gJTJxmND0r2hkyhakuXTMmt5EsBJ/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145205.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qZoKdERNrqEBle4YWL9fwkgXksPt7ls/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145347.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LxWEsu0D7LVotQJZQ0zhVuUtvmGuIAD4/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145413.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14pBaY90JGv-5qb68e5pkr7CZbmSEZ5hz/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145441.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tFCQ81jA6N54nTapOAl7Y4s5un7bukbg/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145517.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhT88ukkGGcYch3GzU0Y0nvdg_MAjZks/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145622.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-38KtzgLLR58btFH62i1GfVLjbPQlYK/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>  IMG_20251110_145751.jpg
> > >>> > >>> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Bz147QHq_CEIO-9YFKsrr23u27YVUH8/view?usp=drive_web
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 2:30 PM Michael Jensen <
> > >>> > >>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>> I've managed to get it working again!  it occurred to me that
> I
> > >>> -might-
> > >>> > >>>> be able to get a complete reset by holding down the main power
> > >>> button for
> > >>> > >>>> 30 seconds or so, I've forgotten whether this should be while
> the
> > >>> machine
> > >>> > >>>> is plugged in or not, so I tried both.  ..it worked!
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> As for seeing the full output.. the only way I can think of
> to do
> > >>> this
> > >>> > >>>> would be to take multiple pictures of it..
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> I have now done this.  however, much to my surprise, the
> install
> > >>> method
> > >>> > >>>> did -not- seem to be the same this time around.  As for what
> the
> > >>> cause of
> > >>> > >>>> this could be.. I have no idea.  Right now, I have absolutely
> no
> > >>> confidence
> > >>> > >>>> that it is doing what it is supposed to.  I'll send the  pics
> I
> > >>> have, not
> > >>> > >>>> expecting them to be much help.  I did not succeed in getting
> all
> > >>> the
> > >>> > >>>> output because it started printing things to the screen faster
> > >>> than I could
> > >>> > >>>> capture them, and I lost control of which part of the screen
> got
> > >>> > >>>> displayed.  I further expect I will have to do a hard-reboot
> to
> > >>> regain
> > >>> > >>>> control of the system.. it's a weird feeling.. less than a
> year
> > >>> ago openbsd
> > >>> > >>>> felt like an alien planet..
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2025 at 11:35 PM Ori Bernstein <
> ori@eigenstate.org
> > >>> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> I haven't seen this before. It would be useful to see the
> full
> > >>> output,
> > >>> > >>>>> including the suggestions.
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 21:39:29 -0500, Michael Jensen <
> > >>> > >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>> > >>>>> > Greetings again all.
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > I have now attempted to install 9front.  On my dell
> latitude
> > >>> e7450.
> > >>> > >>>>> I
> > >>> > >>>>> > followed the instructions at fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html.
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > I encountered the following problems:
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > I get as far a section 4.3.8 - prepdisk.  I follow the
> > >>> > >>>>> recommendation of
> > >>> > >>>>> > accepting the suggestion, and type w, then hit <enter>
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > Normally, it should accept that, and I follow it up with q.
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > Instead, I get:
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > "
> > >>> > >>>>> > error writing partition table to disk
> > >>> > >>>>> > attempting to restore partitions to previous state
> > >>> > >>>>> > cannot restore: error seeking on disk
> > >>> > >>>>> > "
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > It then sends me up a menu, and I get to re-specify a
> bunch of
> > >>> > >>>>> things.
> > >>> > >>>>> > It gets back to approximately the same place, except this
> time,
> > >>> > >>>>> instead of
> > >>> > >>>>> > suggesting a layout, I get:
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > "disk/prep: cannot open disk: file too small to be a disk"
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > Continuing, I keep getting that error, even if I tell it to
> > >>> use esp
> > >>> > >>>>> as my
> > >>> > >>>>> > 9fat partition.
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > I have consulted one youtube tutorial where they use the
> gefs
> > >>> as the
> > >>> > >>>>> file
> > >>> > >>>>> > system instead of the default in the tutorial.  if that
> works,
> > >>> great.
> > >>> > >>>>> > Thought I should report this though.
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > Cheers!
> > >>> > >>>>> > Mike :-)
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 6:03 PM Michael Jensen <
> > >>> > >>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> > >>> > >>>>> > wrote:
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > > Greetings :-)
> > >>> > >>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>> > > ..I am currently in a deep exploration of operating
> systems.
> > >>> > >>>>> > > windows->ubuntu->guix&openbsd, with many more tried
> > >>> en-route.  now
> > >>> > >>>>> I'm
> > >>> > >>>>> > > hearing about plan9 and oberon.  So, plan9 is the
> bees-knees?
> > >>> > >>>>> People
> > >>> > >>>>> > > daydream wistfully about a world where it dominates..
> So..
> > >>> shall
> > >>> > >>>>> we get on
> > >>> > >>>>> > > with it?  :-)  Unfortunately, I go to the wiki for
> > >>> instructions on
> > >>> > >>>>> > > installing it (
> > >>> > >>>>> > >
> > >>> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_instructions/index.html),
> > >>> > >>>>> and
> > >>> > >>>>> > > find: "Beware: in the manner of wikis most everywhere,
> this
> > >>> one is
> > >>> > >>>>> > > woefully out of date.
> > >>> > >>>>> > > <
> https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Beware:_in_the_manner_of_wikis_most_everywhere,_this_one_is_woefully_out_of_date
> > >>> > >>>>> .>"
> > >>> > >>>>> > > ..this is not encouraging.  In fact, it stops me in my
> > >>> tracks and
> > >>> > >>>>> causes me
> > >>> > >>>>> > > to write this e-mail instead.
> > >>> > >>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>> > > ..I currently have three computers.  Dell Latitudes
> e7450 and
> > >>> > >>>>> e7440, and a
> > >>> > >>>>> > > Thinkpad T430.  I am open to buying another one if there
> is a
> > >>> > >>>>> particular
> > >>> > >>>>> > > one that is recommended for plan9.  I can get another
> > >>> > >>>>> > > more-or-less-realiable T430 for ~150 can.  ..I might poke
> > >>> around
> > >>> > >>>>> trying to
> > >>> > >>>>> > > follow the given instructions.. but my instinct says
> that I
> > >>> won't,
> > >>> > >>>>> not
> > >>> > >>>>> > > without more assurance of support.
> > >>> > >>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>> > > ..You may be wondering how I heard about plan9 in the
> first
> > >>> > >>>>> place.  Keep
> > >>> > >>>>> > > in mind, hearing about it and becoming convinced it's
> worth
> > >>> > >>>>> investigating,
> > >>> > >>>>> > > are two different things.  I credit, in historical order,
> > >>> "The Art
> > >>> > >>>>> of Unix
> > >>> > >>>>> > > Programming", Suckless, and vis (the editor).  vis are
> the
> > >>> people
> > >>> > >>>>> whose
> > >>> > >>>>> > > documentation prodded me into seriously checking it out.
> > >>> (..Of
> > >>> > >>>>> course, now
> > >>> > >>>>> > > that I search specifically for plan9, I get plenty of
> hits..)
> > >>> > >>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>> > > Cheers,
> > >>> > >>>>> > > Michael :-)
> > >>> > >>>>> > >
> > >>> > >>>>> >
> > >>> > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------
> > >>> > >>>>> > 9fans: 9fans
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> > >>> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ori]

Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> 5) get a browser working on 9front, and from there use the suggested
> program.  I will acknowledge that I have not fully explored this option
> yet.  When I say this, I mostly mean that I have found
> https://helpful.cat-v.org/Blog/2019/12/05/0/ , but in, shall we say,
> classic 9front style, I expect it to require extensive research to figure
> out whether any of the suggested solutions will actually work, and how much
> effort they take.

you don't need a browser;

        ip/ipconfig # get on the network
        sysinfo -p      # upload information about the system

that should tell us what hardware you have.


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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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Thank you enormously for your help.

term% ip/ipconfig
term% sysinfo -p

this gives:

1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:

#l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'

2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,

http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body

..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to
your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
..hats off to you.. :-)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 1:07 AM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:

> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> > 5) get a browser working on 9front, and from there use the suggested
> > program.  I will acknowledge that I have not fully explored this option
> > yet.  When I say this, I mostly mean that I have found
> > https://helpful.cat-v.org/Blog/2019/12/05/0/ , but in, shall we say,
> > classic 9front style, I expect it to require extensive research to figure
> > out whether any of the suggested solutions will actually work, and how
> much
> > effort they take.
>
> you don't need a browser;
>
>         ip/ipconfig # get on the network
>         sysinfo -p      # upload information about the system
>
> that should tell us what hardware you have.
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ron minnich]

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"#l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'"
at the bottom of your screen

I always have a window at the bottom running
cat /dev/kprint
so I can see those messages, and not have it trash my screen.

You are missing firmware, which you have to get from a separate place, and
which needs to end up in /sys/lib/firmware, iirc (not near my Plan 9 system
at present).

Last time I looked, there are not commands on Plan 9 that "upload ...
information to ... servers"

On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 11:38 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you enormously for your help.
>
> term% ip/ipconfig
> term% sysinfo -p
>
> this gives:
>
> 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>
> #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>
> 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>
> http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>
> ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to
> your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
> ..hats off to you.. :-)
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 1:07 AM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>
>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>> > 5) get a browser working on 9front, and from there use the suggested
>> > program.  I will acknowledge that I have not fully explored this option
>> > yet.  When I say this, I mostly mean that I have found
>> > https://helpful.cat-v.org/Blog/2019/12/05/0/ , but in, shall we say,
>> > classic 9front style, I expect it to require extensive research to
>> figure
>> > out whether any of the suggested solutions will actually work, and how
>> much
>> > effort they take.
>>
>> you don't need a browser;
>>
>>         ip/ipconfig # get on the network
>>         sysinfo -p      # upload information about the system
>>
>> that should tell us what hardware you have.
>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Ori Bernstein]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2025 07:06:50 -0800, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> "#l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'"
> at the bottom of your screen
> 
> I always have a window at the bottom running
> cat /dev/kprint
> so I can see those messages, and not have it trash my screen.
> 
> You are missing firmware, which you have to get from a separate place, and
> which needs to end up in /sys/lib/firmware, iirc (not near my Plan 9 system
> at present).
> 
> Last time I looked, there are not commands on Plan 9 that "upload ...
> information to ... servers"
 
sysinfo -p (and webpaste) are both exactly that :)

> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 11:38 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you enormously for your help.
> >
> > term% ip/ipconfig
> > term% sysinfo -p
> >
> > this gives:
> >
> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
> >
> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
> >
> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
> >
> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
> >
> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to
> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 1:07 AM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> >> > 5) get a browser working on 9front, and from there use the suggested
> >> > program.  I will acknowledge that I have not fully explored this option
> >> > yet.  When I say this, I mostly mean that I have found
> >> > https://helpful.cat-v.org/Blog/2019/12/05/0/ , but in, shall we say,
> >> > classic 9front style, I expect it to require extensive research to
> >> figure
> >> > out whether any of the suggested solutions will actually work, and how
> >> much
> >> > effort they take.
> >>
> >> you don't need a browser;
> >>
> >>         ip/ipconfig # get on the network
> >>         sysinfo -p      # upload information about the system
> >>
> >> that should tell us what hardware you have.
> >>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Ori Bernstein]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you enormously for your help.
> 
> term% ip/ipconfig
> term% sysinfo -p
> 
> this gives:
> 
> 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
> 
> #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
> 
> 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
> 
> http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
> 
> ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to
> your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
> ..hats off to you.. :-)
> 

Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
iso you can test with.

Alternatively, try a separate computer.

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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9front added -p (ost) to sysinfo

https://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/89017223e127f17dd7b3b3ce2c250ade8bd1655f/rc/bin/sysinfo/f.html



On Tue, Nov 18, 2025, 8:13 AM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> "#l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'"
> at the bottom of your screen
>
> I always have a window at the bottom running
> cat /dev/kprint
> so I can see those messages, and not have it trash my screen.
>
> You are missing firmware, which you have to get from a separate place, and
> which needs to end up in /sys/lib/firmware, iirc (not near my Plan 9 system
> at present).
>
> Last time I looked, there are not commands on Plan 9 that "upload ...
> information to ... servers"
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 11:38 AM Michael Jensen <
> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you enormously for your help.
>>
>> term% ip/ipconfig
>> term% sysinfo -p
>>
>> this gives:
>>
>> 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>>
>> #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>>
>> 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>>
>> http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>>
>> ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to
>> your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
>> ..hats off to you.. :-)
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 1:07 AM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>> > 5) get a browser working on 9front, and from there use the suggested
>>> > program.  I will acknowledge that I have not fully explored this option
>>> > yet.  When I say this, I mostly mean that I have found
>>> > https://helpful.cat-v.org/Blog/2019/12/05/0/ , but in, shall we say,
>>> > classic 9front style, I expect it to require extensive research to
>>> figure
>>> > out whether any of the suggested solutions will actually work, and how
>>> much
>>> > effort they take.
>>>
>>> you don't need a browser;
>>>
>>>         ip/ipconfig # get on the network
>>>         sysinfo -p      # upload information about the system
>>>
>>> that should tell us what hardware you have.
>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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wow.. well, thanks!  Yes, that will be greatly appreciated!

I have already tried a separate computer, I encountered another kind of
problem, that I also documented.  I can certainly try it again, but even if
I do, the controller for the current machine will still be absolutely
appreciated!

Michael :-)

On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:18 AM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <
> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you enormously for your help.
> >
> > term% ip/ipconfig
> > term% sysinfo -p
> >
> > this gives:
> >
> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
> >
> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
> >
> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
> >
> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
> >
> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to
> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
> >
>
> Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
> controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
> add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
> iso you can test with.
>
> Alternatively, try a separate computer.
>
> --
>     Ori Bernstein
>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Ron Minnich]

Ori, it sounds like I need to read the manual more often :-)


On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 8:40 AM Skip Tavakkolian
<skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 9front added -p (ost) to sysinfo
>
> https://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/89017223e127f17dd7b3b3ce2c250ade8bd1655f/rc/bin/sysinfo/f.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025, 8:13 AM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "#l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'"
>> at the bottom of your screen
>>
>> I always have a window at the bottom running
>> cat /dev/kprint
>> so I can see those messages, and not have it trash my screen.
>>
>> You are missing firmware, which you have to get from a separate place, and which needs to end up in /sys/lib/firmware, iirc (not near my Plan 9 system at present).
>>
>> Last time I looked, there are not commands on Plan 9 that "upload ... information to ... servers"
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 11:38 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you enormously for your help.
>>>
>>> term% ip/ipconfig
>>> term% sysinfo -p
>>>
>>> this gives:
>>>
>>> 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>>>
>>> #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>>>
>>> 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>>>
>>> http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>>>
>>> ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)  ..hats off to you.. :-)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 1:07 AM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>> > 5) get a browser working on 9front, and from there use the suggested
>>>> > program.  I will acknowledge that I have not fully explored this option
>>>> > yet.  When I say this, I mostly mean that I have found
>>>> > https://helpful.cat-v.org/Blog/2019/12/05/0/ , but in, shall we say,
>>>> > classic 9front style, I expect it to require extensive research to figure
>>>> > out whether any of the suggested solutions will actually work, and how much
>>>> > effort they take.
>>>>
>>>> you don't need a browser;
>>>>
>>>>         ip/ipconfig # get on the network
>>>>         sysinfo -p      # upload information about the system
>>>>
>>>> that should tell us what hardware you have.
>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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Some further information.

I decided to collect the same information for my other computers, seeing
as, hypothetically, if I end up loving 9front, I'll want to switch all my
computers over.  (..once enough software has been written/ported for that
to be feasible, if it ever is..)
I have already documented what happens with the 7450, and my thinkpad
T430.  There wasn't much to document for the 430.

I also have a Dell Latitude e7440.  I just tested it, and it looks like it
gives results similar to the T430:

..a bunch of output..

/dev/sdM0: MMC Host Controller
/dev/sdM1: MMC Host Controller
/dev/sdM2: MMC Host Controller
bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[]

..which I suspect indicates that this hardware is not supported, or
something else is wrong.  there absolutely may be critical info in the "a
bunch of output".  unfortunately, my phone (which contains my camera) is
broken, so if more info is needed, we either have to wait, or I have to
type it in.

..and I have now done the same test with the T420, which I have been using
as one of my two daily drivers.  With it, I am able to select what I think
is the boot drive.. but when I do, it just asks me again.. and again.. and
again.. looks like an infinite loop to me..

On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 4:35 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> wow.. well, thanks!  Yes, that will be greatly appreciated!
>
> I have already tried a separate computer, I encountered another kind of
> problem, that I also documented.  I can certainly try it again, but even if
> I do, the controller for the current machine will still be absolutely
> appreciated!
>
> Michael :-)
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:18 AM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you enormously for your help.
>> >
>> > term% ip/ipconfig
>> > term% sysinfo -p
>> >
>> > this gives:
>> >
>> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>> >
>> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>> >
>> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>> >
>> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>> >
>> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information to
>> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
>> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
>> >
>>
>> Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
>> controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
>> add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
>> iso you can test with.
>>
>> Alternatively, try a separate computer.
>>
>> --
>>     Ori Bernstein
>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ron minnich]

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My  t420 works just fine.

The plan 9 boot process is quite unfamiliar if you’re used to Unix, and I
can’t escape the feeling that there’s some little thing you’re typing
wrong. It’s been solid for me on machines like this for a very long time.

You’ve been showing the prompts, but you haven’t been showing us what you
type, or at least if you have I’ve missed it.

When you get the root is from prompt on the 420 what do you type

I’d suggest you get your set up fixed and then give us the more information
you’ve talked about.



On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 00:53 Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some further information.
>
> I decided to collect the same information for my other computers, seeing
> as, hypothetically, if I end up loving 9front, I'll want to switch all my
> computers over.  (..once enough software has been written/ported for that
> to be feasible, if it ever is..)
> I have already documented what happens with the 7450, and my thinkpad
> T430.  There wasn't much to document for the 430.
>
> I also have a Dell Latitude e7440.  I just tested it, and it looks like it
> gives results similar to the T430:
>
> ..a bunch of output..
>
> /dev/sdM0: MMC Host Controller
> /dev/sdM1: MMC Host Controller
> /dev/sdM2: MMC Host Controller
> bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[]
>
> ..which I suspect indicates that this hardware is not supported, or
> something else is wrong.  there absolutely may be critical info in the "a
> bunch of output".  unfortunately, my phone (which contains my camera) is
> broken, so if more info is needed, we either have to wait, or I have to
> type it in.
>
> ..and I have now done the same test with the T420, which I have been using
> as one of my two daily drivers.  With it, I am able to select what I think
> is the boot drive.. but when I do, it just asks me again.. and again.. and
> again.. looks like an infinite loop to me..
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 4:35 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> wow.. well, thanks!  Yes, that will be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> I have already tried a separate computer, I encountered another kind of
>> problem, that I also documented.  I can certainly try it again, but even if
>> I do, the controller for the current machine will still be absolutely
>> appreciated!
>>
>> Michael :-)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:18 AM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thank you enormously for your help.
>>> >
>>> > term% ip/ipconfig
>>> > term% sysinfo -p
>>> >
>>> > this gives:
>>> >
>>> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>>> >
>>> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>>> >
>>> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>>> >
>>> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>>> >
>>> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information
>>> to
>>> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
>>> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
>>> >
>>>
>>> Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
>>> controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
>>> add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
>>> iso you can test with.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, try a separate computer.
>>>
>>> --
>>>     Ori Bernstein
>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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For the record, I have now done more research into your reference to a
"SATA Controller".  I think I mainly did this out of curiosity.  It being
obviously very relevant and important.  It turns out, obviously?, that this
controller isn't actually a part of the "computer" at all.  It is a part of
the "storage".  That means that if I can just find a storage medium that
contains the right hardware, I should be good to go.  As an aside, I will
observe that I have now found this page:
http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/hardware/thinkpad/wwan_ssd.html, with
details about hardware support.  So for my thinkpads, the solution may be
as simple as purchasing the right kind of storage.  I have now tracked down
suppliers for it, and so will presumably have some soon.

As for the 7450 (apparently for the 7440, the same method can be used as
for the thinkpads), it actually originally came with mSATA, and I still
have all the relevant parts.  So for it as well, all I need is to purchase
fresh mSATA storage.  (The old storage died rather catastrophically, one of
life's learning experiences).

Obviously getting the system to work with "ordinary" SATA will be very
beneficial for many people, including me, and will hence further encourage
adoption of the system.  I think.  Others will be far more knowledgeable
than me.  At least with my thinkpads, it will allow the use of a second
ssd, or allow the wwan slot to be used for it's original purpose.  Correct
me if I'm wrong.  ..  :-)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 9:19 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some further information.
>
> I decided to collect the same information for my other computers, seeing
> as, hypothetically, if I end up loving 9front, I'll want to switch all my
> computers over.  (..once enough software has been written/ported for that
> to be feasible, if it ever is..)
> I have already documented what happens with the 7450, and my thinkpad
> T430.  There wasn't much to document for the 430.
>
> I also have a Dell Latitude e7440.  I just tested it, and it looks like it
> gives results similar to the T430:
>
> ..a bunch of output..
>
> /dev/sdM0: MMC Host Controller
> /dev/sdM1: MMC Host Controller
> /dev/sdM2: MMC Host Controller
> bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[]
>
> ..which I suspect indicates that this hardware is not supported, or
> something else is wrong.  there absolutely may be critical info in the "a
> bunch of output".  unfortunately, my phone (which contains my camera) is
> broken, so if more info is needed, we either have to wait, or I have to
> type it in.
>
> ..and I have now done the same test with the T420, which I have been using
> as one of my two daily drivers.  With it, I am able to select what I think
> is the boot drive.. but when I do, it just asks me again.. and again.. and
> again.. looks like an infinite loop to me..
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 4:35 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> wow.. well, thanks!  Yes, that will be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> I have already tried a separate computer, I encountered another kind of
>> problem, that I also documented.  I can certainly try it again, but even if
>> I do, the controller for the current machine will still be absolutely
>> appreciated!
>>
>> Michael :-)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:18 AM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thank you enormously for your help.
>>> >
>>> > term% ip/ipconfig
>>> > term% sysinfo -p
>>> >
>>> > this gives:
>>> >
>>> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>>> >
>>> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>>> >
>>> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>>> >
>>> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>>> >
>>> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information
>>> to
>>> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
>>> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
>>> >
>>>
>>> Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
>>> controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
>>> add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
>>> iso you can test with.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, try a separate computer.
>>>
>>> --
>>>     Ori Bernstein
>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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Here is the page with the claim that the 7440 works the same way as the
thinkpads:
https://superuser.com/questions/743040/will-a-sata-ssd-drive-work-in-wwan-minipcie-slot.
(about half-way down the page)

On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 1:26 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> For the record, I have now done more research into your reference to a
> "SATA Controller".  I think I mainly did this out of curiosity.  It being
> obviously very relevant and important.  It turns out, obviously?, that this
> controller isn't actually a part of the "computer" at all.  It is a part of
> the "storage".  That means that if I can just find a storage medium that
> contains the right hardware, I should be good to go.  As an aside, I will
> observe that I have now found this page:
> http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/hardware/thinkpad/wwan_ssd.html, with
> details about hardware support.  So for my thinkpads, the solution may be
> as simple as purchasing the right kind of storage.  I have now tracked down
> suppliers for it, and so will presumably have some soon.
>
> As for the 7450 (apparently for the 7440, the same method can be used as
> for the thinkpads), it actually originally came with mSATA, and I still
> have all the relevant parts.  So for it as well, all I need is to purchase
> fresh mSATA storage.  (The old storage died rather catastrophically, one of
> life's learning experiences).
>
> Obviously getting the system to work with "ordinary" SATA will be very
> beneficial for many people, including me, and will hence further encourage
> adoption of the system.  I think.  Others will be far more knowledgeable
> than me.  At least with my thinkpads, it will allow the use of a second
> ssd, or allow the wwan slot to be used for it's original purpose.  Correct
> me if I'm wrong.  ..  :-)
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 9:19 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Some further information.
>>
>> I decided to collect the same information for my other computers, seeing
>> as, hypothetically, if I end up loving 9front, I'll want to switch all my
>> computers over.  (..once enough software has been written/ported for that
>> to be feasible, if it ever is..)
>> I have already documented what happens with the 7450, and my thinkpad
>> T430.  There wasn't much to document for the 430.
>>
>> I also have a Dell Latitude e7440.  I just tested it, and it looks like
>> it gives results similar to the T430:
>>
>> ..a bunch of output..
>>
>> /dev/sdM0: MMC Host Controller
>> /dev/sdM1: MMC Host Controller
>> /dev/sdM2: MMC Host Controller
>> bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[]
>>
>> ..which I suspect indicates that this hardware is not supported, or
>> something else is wrong.  there absolutely may be critical info in the "a
>> bunch of output".  unfortunately, my phone (which contains my camera) is
>> broken, so if more info is needed, we either have to wait, or I have to
>> type it in.
>>
>> ..and I have now done the same test with the T420, which I have been
>> using as one of my two daily drivers.  With it, I am able to select what I
>> think is the boot drive.. but when I do, it just asks me again.. and
>> again.. and again.. looks like an infinite loop to me..
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 4:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> wow.. well, thanks!  Yes, that will be greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> I have already tried a separate computer, I encountered another kind of
>>> problem, that I also documented.  I can certainly try it again, but even if
>>> I do, the controller for the current machine will still be absolutely
>>> appreciated!
>>>
>>> Michael :-)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:18 AM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Thank you enormously for your help.
>>>> >
>>>> > term% ip/ipconfig
>>>> > term% sysinfo -p
>>>> >
>>>> > this gives:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>>>> >
>>>> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>>>> >
>>>> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>>>> >
>>>> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>>>> >
>>>> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of information
>>>> to
>>>> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters.. ;-)
>>>> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
>>>> controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
>>>> add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
>>>> iso you can test with.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively, try a separate computer.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>     Ori Bernstein
>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

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Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly suspected
right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer via an
msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I assume.

I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.  Which
shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the boot
drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an infinite
loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why would
the results be different?

I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.

On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 1:29 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is the page with the claim that the 7440 works the same way as the
> thinkpads:
> https://superuser.com/questions/743040/will-a-sata-ssd-drive-work-in-wwan-minipcie-slot.
> (about half-way down the page)
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 1:26 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For the record, I have now done more research into your reference to a
>> "SATA Controller".  I think I mainly did this out of curiosity.  It being
>> obviously very relevant and important.  It turns out, obviously?, that this
>> controller isn't actually a part of the "computer" at all.  It is a part of
>> the "storage".  That means that if I can just find a storage medium that
>> contains the right hardware, I should be good to go.  As an aside, I will
>> observe that I have now found this page:
>> http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/hardware/thinkpad/wwan_ssd.html, with
>> details about hardware support.  So for my thinkpads, the solution may be
>> as simple as purchasing the right kind of storage.  I have now tracked down
>> suppliers for it, and so will presumably have some soon.
>>
>> As for the 7450 (apparently for the 7440, the same method can be used as
>> for the thinkpads), it actually originally came with mSATA, and I still
>> have all the relevant parts.  So for it as well, all I need is to purchase
>> fresh mSATA storage.  (The old storage died rather catastrophically, one of
>> life's learning experiences).
>>
>> Obviously getting the system to work with "ordinary" SATA will be very
>> beneficial for many people, including me, and will hence further encourage
>> adoption of the system.  I think.  Others will be far more knowledgeable
>> than me.  At least with my thinkpads, it will allow the use of a second
>> ssd, or allow the wwan slot to be used for it's original purpose.  Correct
>> me if I'm wrong.  ..  :-)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 9:19 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some further information.
>>>
>>> I decided to collect the same information for my other computers, seeing
>>> as, hypothetically, if I end up loving 9front, I'll want to switch all my
>>> computers over.  (..once enough software has been written/ported for that
>>> to be feasible, if it ever is..)
>>> I have already documented what happens with the 7450, and my thinkpad
>>> T430.  There wasn't much to document for the 430.
>>>
>>> I also have a Dell Latitude e7440.  I just tested it, and it looks like
>>> it gives results similar to the T430:
>>>
>>> ..a bunch of output..
>>>
>>> /dev/sdM0: MMC Host Controller
>>> /dev/sdM1: MMC Host Controller
>>> /dev/sdM2: MMC Host Controller
>>> bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[]
>>>
>>> ..which I suspect indicates that this hardware is not supported, or
>>> something else is wrong.  there absolutely may be critical info in the "a
>>> bunch of output".  unfortunately, my phone (which contains my camera) is
>>> broken, so if more info is needed, we either have to wait, or I have to
>>> type it in.
>>>
>>> ..and I have now done the same test with the T420, which I have been
>>> using as one of my two daily drivers.  With it, I am able to select what I
>>> think is the boot drive.. but when I do, it just asks me again.. and
>>> again.. and again.. looks like an infinite loop to me..
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 4:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> wow.. well, thanks!  Yes, that will be greatly appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> I have already tried a separate computer, I encountered another kind of
>>>> problem, that I also documented.  I can certainly try it again, but even if
>>>> I do, the controller for the current machine will still be absolutely
>>>> appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Michael :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:18 AM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Thank you enormously for your help.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > term% ip/ipconfig
>>>>> > term% sysinfo -p
>>>>> >
>>>>> > this gives:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of
>>>>> information to
>>>>> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters..
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
>>>>> controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
>>>>> add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
>>>>> iso you can test with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternatively, try a separate computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>     Ori Bernstein
>>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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I have now tried all my computers.  (No success)

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 5:29 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly suspected
> right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer via an
> msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I assume.
>
> I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.  Which
> shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the boot
> drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an infinite
> loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why would
> the results be different?
>
> I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 1:29 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Here is the page with the claim that the 7440 works the same way as the
>> thinkpads:
>> https://superuser.com/questions/743040/will-a-sata-ssd-drive-work-in-wwan-minipcie-slot.
>> (about half-way down the page)
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 1:26 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For the record, I have now done more research into your reference to a
>>> "SATA Controller".  I think I mainly did this out of curiosity.  It being
>>> obviously very relevant and important.  It turns out, obviously?, that this
>>> controller isn't actually a part of the "computer" at all.  It is a part of
>>> the "storage".  That means that if I can just find a storage medium that
>>> contains the right hardware, I should be good to go.  As an aside, I will
>>> observe that I have now found this page:
>>> http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/hardware/thinkpad/wwan_ssd.html, with
>>> details about hardware support.  So for my thinkpads, the solution may be
>>> as simple as purchasing the right kind of storage.  I have now tracked down
>>> suppliers for it, and so will presumably have some soon.
>>>
>>> As for the 7450 (apparently for the 7440, the same method can be used as
>>> for the thinkpads), it actually originally came with mSATA, and I still
>>> have all the relevant parts.  So for it as well, all I need is to purchase
>>> fresh mSATA storage.  (The old storage died rather catastrophically, one of
>>> life's learning experiences).
>>>
>>> Obviously getting the system to work with "ordinary" SATA will be very
>>> beneficial for many people, including me, and will hence further encourage
>>> adoption of the system.  I think.  Others will be far more knowledgeable
>>> than me.  At least with my thinkpads, it will allow the use of a second
>>> ssd, or allow the wwan slot to be used for it's original purpose.  Correct
>>> me if I'm wrong.  ..  :-)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 9:19 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some further information.
>>>>
>>>> I decided to collect the same information for my other computers,
>>>> seeing as, hypothetically, if I end up loving 9front, I'll want to switch
>>>> all my computers over.  (..once enough software has been written/ported for
>>>> that to be feasible, if it ever is..)
>>>> I have already documented what happens with the 7450, and my thinkpad
>>>> T430.  There wasn't much to document for the 430.
>>>>
>>>> I also have a Dell Latitude e7440.  I just tested it, and it looks like
>>>> it gives results similar to the T430:
>>>>
>>>> ..a bunch of output..
>>>>
>>>> /dev/sdM0: MMC Host Controller
>>>> /dev/sdM1: MMC Host Controller
>>>> /dev/sdM2: MMC Host Controller
>>>> bootargs is (tcp, tls, il, local!device)[]
>>>>
>>>> ..which I suspect indicates that this hardware is not supported, or
>>>> something else is wrong.  there absolutely may be critical info in the "a
>>>> bunch of output".  unfortunately, my phone (which contains my camera) is
>>>> broken, so if more info is needed, we either have to wait, or I have to
>>>> type it in.
>>>>
>>>> ..and I have now done the same test with the T420, which I have been
>>>> using as one of my two daily drivers.  With it, I am able to select what I
>>>> think is the boot drive.. but when I do, it just asks me again.. and
>>>> again.. and again.. looks like an infinite loop to me..
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 4:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wow.. well, thanks!  Yes, that will be greatly appreciated!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have already tried a separate computer, I encountered another kind
>>>>> of problem, that I also documented.  I can certainly try it again, but even
>>>>> if I do, the controller for the current machine will still be absolutely
>>>>> appreciated!
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:18 AM Ori Bernstein <ori@eigenstate.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2025 09:20:05 -0500, Michael Jensen <
>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Thank you enormously for your help.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > term% ip/ipconfig
>>>>>> > term% sysinfo -p
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > this gives:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 1) near the bottom of the s creen where there is no window:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > #l1: file does not exist: 'lib/firmware/iwm-7265-17'
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2) timewise after that, directly below the term% sysinfo -p,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://sysinfo.9front.org/src/646/body
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ..now.. that might already have auto-submitted a bunch of
>>>>>> information to
>>>>>> > your servers..  if that is the case.. well.. you are the masters..
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> > ..hats off to you.. :-)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alright -- so, it looks like there's no support for your SATA
>>>>>> controller right now, though I think it'll be really easy to
>>>>>> add. I'll give it a shot later this week, and put together an
>>>>>> iso you can test with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternatively, try a separate computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>     Ori Bernstein
>>>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ori]

Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly suspected
> > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer via an
> > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I assume.
> >
> > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.  Which
> > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the boot
> > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an infinite
> > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why would
> > the results be different?
> >
> > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.

Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?


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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.

Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which happens to
have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both register,
but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data and
/dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.

..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing, (infinite
loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a 1, not 2 or
0.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:

> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
> suspected
> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer via an
> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I assume.
> > >
> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.  Which
> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the
> boot
> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an infinite
> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why
> would
> > > the results be different?
> > >
> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>
> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ron minnich]

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Michael: I am convinced there's some basic thing you're doing wrong, so
early in the game, that nothing after that is working.

Just about the only way out I can think of at this point is you post a
movie to youtube, showing what you are doing, starting from what you plug
in, and what you type, without skipping any steps (you keep skipping steps
when you tell us what you're doing).

Or, maybe, we need to have a plan 9 office hours, once a week, where people
bring their problems and we try to solve them. This would actually be a
sensible thing for the foundation to help with. It's worked well for Go.


On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 6:22 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>
> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which happens to
> have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both register,
> but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data and
> /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>
> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing, (infinite
> loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a 1, not 2 or
> 0.
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>
>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>> suspected
>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer via
>> an
>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>> assume.
>> > >
>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>> Which
>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the
>> boot
>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an infinite
>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why
>> would
>> > > the results be different?
>> > >
>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>
>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any better.
On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might be happy
to know that it worked less well.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a manner
> of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.  A tech
> friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed, he
> will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>
> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
> people use?
>
> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>
>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?  Strongly?
> Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the FQA is
> updated.
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>
>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which happens
>> to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>
>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing, (infinite
>> loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a 1, not 2 or
>> 0.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>> suspected
>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer via
>>> an
>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>> assume.
>>> > >
>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>> Which
>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the
>>> boot
>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>> infinite
>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why
>>> would
>>> > > the results be different?
>>> > >
>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>
>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Clout Tolstoy]

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Have you tried running it in a vm like KVM/qemu on Linux or something like
that?

I've had success on both the raspberry pi zero W and the raspberry pi 4b
boards and KVM/qemu.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 2:27 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any better.
> On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might be happy
> to know that it worked less well.
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>> people use?
>>
>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>
>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?  Strongly?
>> Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the FQA is
>> updated.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>
>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which happens
>>> to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>
>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>> suspected
>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>> via an
>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>> assume.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>>> Which
>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the
>>>> boot
>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>> infinite
>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why
>>>> would
>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>
>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn how
to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it to a
usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have another
"ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is that
the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while, at
first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure I
want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the os
in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up to
the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and indeed
enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code as
inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking criticism
for pushing as far as openbsd.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any better.
> On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might be happy
> to know that it worked less well.
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>> people use?
>>
>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>
>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?  Strongly?
>> Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the FQA is
>> updated.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>
>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which happens
>>> to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>
>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>> suspected
>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>> via an
>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>> assume.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>>> Which
>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting the
>>>> boot
>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>> infinite
>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why
>>>> would
>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>
>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
already submitted data for.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn how
> to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it to a
> usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have another
> "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is that
> the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while, at
> first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure I
> want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the os
> in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up to
> the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and indeed
> enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code as
> inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking criticism
> for pushing as far as openbsd.
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>> people use?
>>>
>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>
>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>> FQA is updated.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which happens
>>>> to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>
>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>> suspected
>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>>> via an
>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>> assume.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>>>> Which
>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>> the boot
>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>> infinite
>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but.. why
>>>>> would
>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Grunditz]

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Do you have a rpi 3 of 4? Installation is simple, just transfer the image
to sd card. Both 9front and 9legacy works.

Michael

ons 31 dec. 2025 kl. 17:19 skrev Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com
> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
> already submitted data for.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>> people use?
>>>>
>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>
>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>
>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>>>> via an
>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>>>>> Which
>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>> why would
>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ron minnich]

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Michael, I am still a bit lost on your status. What 3 button mouse does not
work? What model? What happens? "does not work" -- on what hardware does it
not work?

You keep reporting problems that nobody else has seen. Have you tried at
least running in a VM so you can be sure you're not making some error?



On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 8:19 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
> already submitted data for.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>> people use?
>>>>
>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>
>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>
>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>>>> via an
>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>>>>> Which
>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>> why would
>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ron minnich]

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Michael, when you report errors, you pretty much have to assume that anyone
reading your mail has no time to go back and read earlier messages and
reconstruct your state. The old saying: "if people don't understand you,
that's your fault" applies here. Many of us are dealing with bug reports,
on multiple projects, and it's very hard to remember the details of all
earlier messages. I have a hard enough time remembering what I did
yesterday. I have to keep a google doc with various projects just to keep
track.

It's not a big deal for you to add one line: on my t420, my dell 3 button
fails in the following manner: blah blah.

Or
my Dell whatever with a sandisk cruzer whatever won't boot 9front

Anything. You're not giving enough, at least for me, to remember what's
going on. My memory is bad that way.

That gives us something to work with. And it's one line. Assume each
message you send is being seen for the first time ever: what do people
need to know?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:16 AM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael, I am still a bit lost on your status. What 3 button mouse does
> not work? What model? What happens? "does not work" -- on what hardware
> does it not work?
>
> You keep reporting problems that nobody else has seen. Have you tried at
> least running in a VM so you can be sure you're not making some error?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 8:19 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
>> already submitted data for.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>>> people use?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>>
>>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>>>>> via an
>>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least
>>>>>>> recognized.  Which
>>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>>> why would
>>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware solutions, have
now moved on to qemu.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
> already submitted data for.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>> people use?
>>>>
>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>
>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>
>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>>>> via an
>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least recognized.
>>>>>> Which
>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>> why would
>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Michael Jensen]

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..4 months and counting.. ..gotta be some kind of record..

On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 8:19 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware solutions, have
> now moved on to qemu.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
>> already submitted data for.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>>> people use?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>>
>>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>>>>> via an
>>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least
>>>>>>> recognized.  Which
>>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>>> why would
>>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Clout Tolstoy]

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What's your host system/hypervisor?

 I would recommend using something like virt-manager on Linux, but I've
only used that with the KVM Linux hypervisor.  I would also recommend using
the basic CLI syntax first so all the GUI options make more sense.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2026, 10:44 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ..4 months and counting.. ..gotta be some kind of record..
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 8:19 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware solutions, have
>> now moved on to qemu.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
>>> already submitted data for.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>>>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>>>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>>>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>>>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>>>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>>>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>>>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>>>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>>>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>>>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>>>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>>>> people use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the
>>>>>>>> computer via an
>>>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least
>>>>>>>> recognized.  Which
>>>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>>>> why would
>>>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[ron minnich]

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it would still be helpful to have a complete account of the problems you
had. At this point, based on your reports, I have to conclude it's not a
9front issue. There's some basic thing you're doing wrong.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 10:44 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ..4 months and counting.. ..gotta be some kind of record..
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 8:19 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware solutions, have
>> now moved on to qemu.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
>>> already submitted data for.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>>>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>>>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>>>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>>>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>>>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>>>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>>>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>>>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>>>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>>>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>>>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>>>> people use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the
>>>>>>>> computer via an
>>>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least
>>>>>>>> recognized.  Which
>>>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>>>> why would
>>>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

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Make it easy on yourself and start with plan9port, no special hardware needed, and you can shift right click or something to simulate a middle click.

On January 28, 2026 8:21:17 PM EST, Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>..4 months and counting.. ..gotta be some kind of record..
>
>On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 8:19 PM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware solutions, have
>> now moved on to qemu.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
>>> already submitted data for.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>>>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>>>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>>>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>>>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>>>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>>>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>>>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>>>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>>>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>>>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>>>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>>>> people use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for each
>>>>>>> computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I suddenly
>>>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the computer
>>>>>>>> via an
>>>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.  I
>>>>>>>> assume.
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least
>>>>>>>> recognized.  Which
>>>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However, selecting
>>>>>>>> the boot
>>>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>>>> why would
>>>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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Most mice with scroll wheels will produce a middle mouse click when you 
press down the scroll wheel.


On 2/4/26 05:09, Adrian wrote:
>
> Make it easy on yourself and start with plan9port, no special hardware 
> needed, and you can shift right click or something to simulate a 
> middle click.
>
>
> On January 28, 2026 8:21:17 PM EST, Michael Jensen 
> <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     ..4 months and counting.. ..gotta be some kind of record..
>
>     On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 8:19 PM Michael Jensen
>     <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware
>         solutions, have now moved on to qemu.
>
>         On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen
>         <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is
>             the same one I already submitted data for.
>
>             On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen
>             <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                 So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am
>                 willing to learn how to use plan9/9front using a live
>                 session.  I have tried installing it to a usb-key and
>                 got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>                 another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might
>                 work.  The main issue is that the 3-button mouse I got
>                 does not work.  I've known this for a while, at first
>                 it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm
>                 not so sure I want to deal with the irritation of
>                 hardware that isn't designed for the os in question. 
>                 So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be
>                 up to the level of solving such problems on their
>                 own?  I'm willing, and indeed enthusiastic, about
>                 writing most of my own code, using public code as
>                 inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues? I'm
>                 already taking criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>
>                 On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen
>                 <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                     I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it
>                     would work any better.  On the 3 computers I have
>                     that are currently working.  You might be happy to
>                     know that it worked less well.
>
>                     On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen
>                     <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                         For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but
>                         am still trying, in a manner of speaking. 
>                         Investigating running it in qemu, or using
>                         plan9port.  A tech friend of mine will
>                         probably help eventually, if he doesn't
>                         succeed, he will probably generate info that
>                         might help with the diagnosis.
>
>                         Meanwhile, I am looking into framework
>                         laptops, and have now found something called
>                         the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most
>                         9front people use?
>
>                         https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>
>                           Is there one, framework or reform that is
>                         more recommended?  Strongly? Weekly?  For
>                         9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often
>                         the FQA is updated.
>
>                         On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen
>                         <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                             ..what?  I do not understand. In all the
>                             tests I just did, for each computer (I did
>                             not test the T420), I did at least one
>                             test where the ordinary Sata drive was not
>                             there, so the only "memory" that could be
>                             seen was either the mSata, the boot
>                             medium, or ram.
>
>                             Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying
>                             again on the T430, which happens to have
>                             both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata,
>                             (coincidence), both register, but it looks
>                             like I now have -two- /data options.
>                             /dev/sdE0/data and /dev/sdE2/data.  As
>                             for  your suggestion, I have tried
>                             accepting the default, which is [], or
>                             nothing, and.. same thing. Infinite loop.
>
>                             ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out,
>                             I get the same thing, (infinite loop),
>                             except that there is now only one
>                             /dev/sdE1/data, with a 1, not 2 or 0.
>
>                             On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM
>                             <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>
>                                 Quoth Michael Jensen
>                                 <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>                                 > > Well, I've now done about all I
>                                 can at this end.  As I suddenly suspected
>                                 > > right before the test, connecting
>                                 an msata drive to the computer via an
>                                 > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work. 
>                                 It still looks like a sata.  I assume.
>                                 > >
>                                 > > I how have the msata in the T430,
>                                 and it is at least recognized.  Which
>                                 > > shows that at least -something- is
>                                 working.  However, selecting the boot
>                                 > > drive still fails, same as before,
>                                 asking again and again, an infinite
>                                 > > loop.  In theory I could do the
>                                 same test with the T420, but.. why would
>                                 > > the results be different?
>                                 > >
>                                 > > I can still try the test with this
>                                 computer, the 7440.
>
>                                 Hve you tried *not* selecting the
>                                 first drive?
>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[hahahahacker2009]

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Vào 09:55, T.5, 5 Th2, 2026 Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net> đã
viết:

> Most mice with scroll wheels will produce a middle mouse click when you
> press down the scroll wheel.
>

it is painful. better buy a real 3 button mouse.
I don't know about Europe, I bought one from hao1885.com, works well with
plan 9

>
> On 2/4/26 05:09, Adrian wrote:
>
>
> Make it easy on yourself and start with plan9port, no special hardware
> needed, and you can shift right click or something to simulate a middle
> click.
>
>
> On January 28, 2026 8:21:17 PM EST, Michael Jensen
> <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ..4 months and counting.. ..gotta be some kind of record..
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 8:19 PM Michael Jensen <
>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware solutions,
>>> have now moved on to qemu.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one I
>>>> already submitted data for.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to learn
>>>>> how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried installing it
>>>>> to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I also have
>>>>> another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The main issue is
>>>>> that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this for a while,
>>>>> at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm not so sure
>>>>> I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't designed for the
>>>>> os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really supposed to be up
>>>>> to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm willing, and
>>>>> indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using public code
>>>>> as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already taking
>>>>> criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>>>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>>>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>>>>> people use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for
>>>>>>>> each computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I
>>>>>>>>> suddenly suspected
>>>>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the
>>>>>>>>> computer via an
>>>>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.
>>>>>>>>> I assume.
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least
>>>>>>>>> recognized.  Which
>>>>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However,
>>>>>>>>> selecting the boot
>>>>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420, but..
>>>>>>>>> why would
>>>>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [9fans] Re: Time for 9? :-)

[Thaddeus Woskowiak]

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I recently found out about this company: https://ploopy.co who offers a
mouse with 8 programmable buttons and a wheel. I have their Adept track
ball which works quite well.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2026, 2:10 PM hahahahacker2009 <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Vào 09:55, T.5, 5 Th2, 2026 Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net> đã
> viết:
>
>> Most mice with scroll wheels will produce a middle mouse click when you
>> press down the scroll wheel.
>>
>
> it is painful. better buy a real 3 button mouse.
> I don't know about Europe, I bought one from hao1885.com, works well with
> plan 9
>
>>
>> On 2/4/26 05:09, Adrian wrote:
>>
>>
>> Make it easy on yourself and start with plan9port, no special hardware
>> needed, and you can shift right click or something to simulate a middle
>> click.
>>
>>
>> On January 28, 2026 8:21:17 PM EST, Michael Jensen
>> <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ..4 months and counting.. ..gotta be some kind of record..
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 8:19 PM Michael Jensen <
>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Still trying to install it.  I've been exploring hardware solutions,
>>>> have now moved on to qemu.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:08 AM Michael Jensen <
>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Computer on which the 3-button mouse doesn't work is the same one
>>>>> I already submitted data for.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 9:07 AM Michael Jensen <
>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I have got to the point where, in principle, I am willing to
>>>>>> learn how to use plan9/9front using a live session.  I have tried
>>>>>> installing it to a usb-key and got an error that is probably solvable.  I
>>>>>> also have another "ssd" coming in in a week or so that might work.  The
>>>>>> main issue is that the 3-button mouse I got does not work.  I've known this
>>>>>> for a while, at first it didn't bug me overly.  Now, facing the plunge, I'm
>>>>>> not so sure I want to deal with the irritation of hardware that isn't
>>>>>> designed for the os in question.  So.. are adopters of this system really
>>>>>> supposed to be up to the level of solving such problems on their own?  I'm
>>>>>> willing, and indeed enthusiastic, about writing most of my own code, using
>>>>>> public code as inspiration, but solving mouse-driver issues?  I'm already
>>>>>> taking criticism for pushing as far as openbsd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:13 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have now tried installing 9legacy.  To see if it would work any
>>>>>>> better.  On the 3 computers I have that are currently working.  You might
>>>>>>> be happy to know that it worked less well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:04 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the record, I have not yet succeeded, but am still trying, in a
>>>>>>>> manner of speaking.  Investigating running it in qemu, or using plan9port.
>>>>>>>> A tech friend of mine will probably help eventually, if he doesn't succeed,
>>>>>>>> he will probably generate info that might help with the diagnosis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I am looking into framework laptops, and have now found
>>>>>>>> something called the reform.  Somebody claims that is what most 9front
>>>>>>>> people use?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/plan9-9front-on-framework/13991/2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Is there one, framework or reform that is more recommended?
>>>>>>>> Strongly?  Weekly?  For 9front? 9legacy?  I ask, not knowing how often the
>>>>>>>> FQA is updated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 8:35 PM Michael Jensen <
>>>>>>>> mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ..what?  I do not understand.  In all the tests I just did, for
>>>>>>>>> each computer (I did not test the T420), I did at least one test where the
>>>>>>>>> ordinary Sata drive was not there, so the only "memory" that could be seen
>>>>>>>>> was either the mSata, the boot medium, or ram.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, this is very strange.. I am trying again on the T430, which
>>>>>>>>> happens to have both the mSata and it's ordinary Sata, (coincidence), both
>>>>>>>>> register, but it looks like I now have -two- /data options.  /dev/sdE0/data
>>>>>>>>> and /dev/sdE2/data.  As for  your suggestion, I have tried accepting the
>>>>>>>>> default, which is [], or nothing, and.. same thing.  Infinite loop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ..repeating  the test, with the Sata out, I get the same thing,
>>>>>>>>> (infinite loop), except that there is now only one /dev/sdE1/data, with a
>>>>>>>>> 1, not 2 or 0.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:24 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quoth Michael Jensen <mikethe1wheelnut@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> > > Well, I've now done about all I can at this end.  As I
>>>>>>>>>> suddenly suspected
>>>>>>>>>> > > right before the test, connecting an msata drive to the
>>>>>>>>>> computer via an
>>>>>>>>>> > > msata-sata adaptor didn't work.  It still looks like a sata.
>>>>>>>>>> I assume.
>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>> > > I how have the msata in the T430, and it is at least
>>>>>>>>>> recognized.  Which
>>>>>>>>>> > > shows that at least -something- is working.  However,
>>>>>>>>>> selecting the boot
>>>>>>>>>> > > drive still fails, same as before, asking again and again, an
>>>>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>>>>> > > loop.  In theory I could do the same test with the T420,
>>>>>>>>>> but.. why would
>>>>>>>>>> > > the results be different?
>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>> > > I can still try the test with this computer, the 7440.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hve you tried *not* selecting the first drive?
>>>>>>>>>>
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