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Thu, 25 Jan 2024 19:10:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <05C9E276-7263-45BF-B82D-432FCFCAB3DB@gmail.com> <6735DAB7-DA58-4164-A1BA-17FDDD06E619@gmail.com> <7a9437d7-38f0-403d-b578-0287779b97bf@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7a9437d7-38f0-403d-b578-0287779b97bf@app.fastmail.com> From: Dan Cross Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:09:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 792c5d26-bbf8-11ee-b601-921263b1de32 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NMTdhZjA2OTUxZTE0ZGU4YTAwMTBm?= =?UTF-8?B?MTA4Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M17af06951e14de8a0010f108:1:f9ap-s0_Jbvwel8hTcnIWN5E7Zm1Ow3-8BcHhTFnYvY On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:04=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > Since the Plan 9 Foundation doesn't focus on technical aspects, Would the= formation of a Plan 9 Core Team be the next logical step? My understanding= is the core team would decide technical direction and implementation. What= are your thoughts? If there's a plan 9 core team, that'd be news to me. I don't believe that such a thing exists. - Dan C. > On Fri, Jan 26, 2024, at 11:31, Don A. Bailey wrote: > > I don=E2=80=99t think you realize that you have your entire emotional > > perception of this situation flipped. > > > > This was a simple comment on why I strongly disagreed with VT=E2=80=99s= request > > for a 5th Release. I explained myself. I did not get emotional, nor am > > I emotional now. What I did receive is a lot of strange emotional > > responses for which I have neither time nor interest. And frankly, > > neither should anyone here. > > > > Who cares if I like 9front? I=E2=80=99m not against it, nor the develop= ers. I=E2=80=99m > > simply against *joining* 9front with 9legacy/etc as a formal release. I > > personally believe that=E2=80=99s a bad move. > > > > Don=E2=80=99t agree? Ok, so what? I=E2=80=99m one dude. And yet the gag= gle of you > > people have tried to drag me down some psychoanalytical rabbit hole, > > and waste my entire day. And because I won=E2=80=99t let you drag me in= to it, > > and because I respond with short unemotional statements, you somehow > > think *I=E2=80=99m* the bad guy because I won=E2=80=99t devolve into yo= ur world. > > > > Geez guys seriously=E2=80=A6 go touch grass and have a life. Know what = I did > > today instead of engaging with your bullshit? I did my job. I played > > with my son. I cooked us an amazing dinner. We built a fort. We looked > > at deer outside. We listened to music. > > > > All that because I didn=E2=80=99t waste my time with long bullshit resp= onses > > that wouldn=E2=80=99t satisfy you, anyway, because I disagree with 9fro= nt being > > merged. Who cares? > > > > Live your life, man. > > > > > > > >> On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:18=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Misch wrote: > >> > >> =EF=BB=BFHow you react to being told that you are behaving poorly, and= it=E2=80=99s neither appreciated or respected, speaks volumes. It=E2=80=99= s telling, as you say, that your take is to get defensive and, honestly, sh= itty. Emotional maturity may be lacking in general on the list but please d= o not posture from some imagined moral high ground. It=E2=80=99s so tiring,= just do better. > >> > >>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 15:38, Don A. Bailey wrote: > >>> > >>> It=E2=80=99s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper= tantrum. A major problem with people=E2=80=99s perspective of 9front and t= he current plan 9 community, honestly. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35=E2=80=AFPM, Jacob Moody wrote: > >>>> > >>>> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote: > >>>>> I=E2=80=99m aware you=E2=80=99re a member of the foundation. > >>>>> > >>>>> What I want I think I=E2=80=99ve made clear. I do not want to see a= formal release of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I= do not want 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term =E2=80=9Cmainli= ne=E2=80=9D (9legacy / 9pio updated patch sets). I=E2=80=99d rather 9front = stay its own thing. I=E2=80=99m certain there are a lot of relevant contrib= utions within 9front but I think its place is as its own niche system. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Who is going to do the work? Do you want to do the work? 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