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boundary="0000000000003146c805ae0a7a71" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: dd2640aa-ea3a-11ea-a5ce-e095d84b4744 --0000000000003146c805ae0a7a71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we're way beyond the peak of 3 if consider non 9labs, as I'm a brazillian myself and have been using 9front for almost 2y, and have been slowly introducing my brother and my current mate to it. Leo, best of luck on the distro though, I'd really like 9 to be niche-popular but I don't think translating stuff is the way to go, if it wasn't for covid I was going to start lecturing about it at the uni I'm in but with prior warnings that all the content is in English. Lucas Em s=C3=A1b, 29 de ago de 2020 16:55, Iruat=C3=A3 Souza escreveu: > Le sam. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 19:26, Leonardo a > =C3=A9crit : > >> Cool! >> >> I want to make a Plan 9 distro aimed at brazilians: I'm at the beginning >> of this journey. My plan is to translate all the documentation (articles >> and man pages), try to make the system more user friendly (not for hacke= rs >> but for common people) and also work in ordinary software like a modern >> browser, a word processor, spreadsheet software, a kind of powerpoint et= c. >> >> > As another historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) Pla= n > 9 reached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and went, bu= t > those 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, and > the initial work into what is now the 9front bootloader. > > So, Leonardo, welcome aboard :) > > Besides translation, what are the Brazilian-specific needs you are trying > to address? > I highly recommend you search the list for other projects similar to your= s. > > Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in the journey! > > iru > > >> I am studying Plan 9 and I am totally in love with it: read files, write >> to files and again: read files, write to files. And what else do you nee= d >> to do? Little or nothing: things are really simple. The NSA invented >> SELinux (mandatory access control) because it saw that, from a security >> point of view, the idea of discretionary access control did not provide >> much. Okay, it's an idea and it works. But Plan 9, before, had introduce= d >> the idea of namespace which is, by the way, a much simpler and smarter >> idea: each process can have its own restricted view of the universe of >> files. I really don't understand why Plan 9 has not been adopted. Legacy >> base? >> > *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions > + participants > + delivery options > Permalink > > --0000000000003146c805ae0a7a71 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think we're way beyond the peak of 3 if consider no= n 9labs, as I'm a brazillian myself and have been using 9front for almo= st 2y, and have been slowly introducing my brother and my current mate to i= t.

Leo, best of luck on the di= stro though, I'd really like 9 to be niche-popular but I don't thin= k translating stuff is the way to go, if it wasn't for covid I was goin= g to start=C2=A0 lecturing about it at the uni I'm in but with prior wa= rnings that all the content is in English.=C2=A0
Lucas

Em s=C3=A1b, 29 de ago de 2020 16:55, I= ruat=C3=A3 Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail= .com> escreveu:
Le sa= m. 29 ao=C3=BBt 2020 =C3=A0 19:26, Leonardo <leonardohcoelho@gmai= l.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Cool!

I wan= t to make a Plan 9 distro aimed at brazilians: I'm at the beginning of = this journey. My plan is to translate all the documentation (articles and m= an pages), try to make the system more user friendly (not for hackers but f= or common people) and also work in ordinary software like a modern browser,= a word processor, spreadsheet software, a kind of powerpoint etc.


As= another historical note, for a number of years (2006 to 2009 iirc) Plan 9 = reached the peak of 3 regular users in Brazil. Others came and went, but th= ose 3 are responsible for at least abaco, the initial python port, and the = initial work into what is now the 9front bootloader.

So, Leonardo, welcome aboard :)

=
Besides translation, what are the Brazilian-spe= cific needs you are trying to address?
I highly recommend you sea= rch the list for other projects similar to yours.

<= /div>
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in the journey!
iru
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I am studying Plan 9 and I am totally in = love with it: read files, write to files and again: read files, write to fi= les. And what else do you need to do? Little or nothing: things are really = simple. The NSA invented SELinux (mandatory access control) because it saw = that, from a security point of view, the idea of discretionary access contr= ol did not provide much. Okay, it's an idea and it works. But Plan 9, b= efore, had introduced the idea of namespace which is, by the way, a much si= mpler and smarter idea: each process can have its own restricted view of th= e universe of files. I really don't understand why Plan 9 has not been = adopted. Legacy base?
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