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Fri, 17 May 2024 07:20:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <54D1A99DA34F0410D3BAFBA5C9B4FD6E@migadu.com> In-Reply-To: From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 16:20:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: ae539c54-1458-11ef-beab-edce042432aa Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UZTA1MWYyMzBmMjY1NmJiYi1NYzcwYTA1ZDdjZDE4YWVhN2FjZjEy?= =?UTF-8?B?NDYxPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mc70a05d7cd18aea7acf12461:1:ujGxarr9zbhG6kwGOKskz9-ys4lDv2i1k--spXD711Y or rename that linkedin garbage to "using AI to disincentivize open discussion communities" On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:16=E2=80=AFPM Jacob Moody w= rote: > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflic= t-vester-thacker-htt3f/ > > This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I suggest you take this inc= orrect garbage down. > > > On 5/17/24 07:43, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote: > > It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished product. I'll correc= t the mistakes found. > > > > Thank you for the kind feedback. > > > > > > > > > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > > > On Friday, May 17th, 2024 at 9:31 PM, qwx via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> w= rote: > > > >> On Fri May 17 13:33:21 +0200 2024, plan6@room3420.net wrote: > >> > >>> an other interesting reading : > >>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-con= flict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=3Darticle-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_r= elated-content-card > >> > >> > >> I'm appalled and frankly furious about this article. It's blatant > >> slander which can affect me in my professional career. I'm a phD > >> candidate and my work is based on Plan 9 and developed on 9front; I > >> was going to present it at iwp9 but could not once the venue was > >> changed as it rendered it incompatible with my time table. > >> > >> The article lacks references to many of its claims, and the remaining > >> ones directly contradict its points. The Register article is even > >> linked incorrectly. A superficial reader would not bother to try to > >> follow the links or find the article. For me this is clearly > >> malicious attention-seeking. > >> > >> Regarding the pdf posted earlier[1], almost all of it is factually > >> incorrect. As an example, there are no drivers for modern nvidia or > >> amd chips or bluetooth. Many of the "system calls" listed in the pdf > >> are not system calls (proccreate) or simply don't exit (vlongtime), > >> and so on. In addition, it is trivial to recreate the same content > >> with a query like the following: `Generate a detailed book-style > >> document called "Revitalizing Plan 9: integrating modern enhacements > >> into 9legacy" detailing all improvements introduced in 9front compared > >> to 9legacy'. See for yourself in an excerpt below my email. > >> > >> I don't understand what the goal here is. All this post and pdf > >> accomplish is spreading misinformation, promoting cancel culture, > >> fostering community division and discouraging collaboration with > >> 9front and even 9legacy, directly contradicting both Vic's claims and > >> that of those who have sided with him in the thread. At this point, > >> use of chatgpt in this thread is blatant and harmful. Please stop. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> qwx > >> > >> [1] https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revitali= zing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf > >> --- > >> > >> Revitalizing Plan 9: Integrating Modern Enhancements into 9legacy > >> Introduction > >> Plan 9 from Bell Labs has long been recognized for its innovative appr= oach to distributed computing. However, as hardware and software technologi= es advanced, the need for a more modernized version of Plan 9 became appare= nt. This need led to the development of 9front, a fork of Plan 9 that incor= porates numerous enhancements and updates, surpassing 9legacy in several ke= y areas. This document details these improvements, offering a comprehensive= comparison of the advancements introduced in 9front over 9legacy. > >> > >> Chapter 1: Graphics and Video Drivers > >> Improved Graphics Hardware Support > >> One of the most significant areas of enhancement in 9front is its supp= ort for modern graphics hardware. 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