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From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 17:36:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFSF3XM_EuL7MUoFNbAUrby1M+35VhS7EROAeXq02v6PXZoriA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJQ9t7hg3foQ1hK0pJ2BWo=eVN_XVcb2vOPtc=Km-J5oPmZ_Uw@mail.gmail.com>

> I suggested that the sources could be included in the distribution, so they would not fork-rot as they are doing presently. It's always been the case that the Plan 9 distribution included "broken" sources that could not be compiled without external support, but were interesting enough to be published.

this is a good point, and this is exactly the kind of arguments that i
would like to see more of on 9fans.

> That changed some when Alef was dropped and in fact I saved the Alef development stuff and ported it to 3ed and 4ed because I disagreed with the decision. Note that I made a sweeping generalisation, for simplicity, much was discarded between 2ed and 4ed, and I find all that quite regrettable.

Interesting, thanks for sharing some of that history.

> I am certain that Cinap had good reasons for removing Fossil, but I'm not sure you have painted the entire picture for this audience. No matter, of course, 9front will be what 9front will be.

I agree with you that maybe "removing Fossil" was a little bit overly
dramatic, and maybe the goal was indeed to send a strong message with
this act.
otoh, i can understand the anger, after countless people lost their
data, trusting that fossil is certified by bell-labs and "totally
safe".

> I'm not going to argue with the semantic subtleties of "bad" as you interpret it, but I will privately consider your judgement and interpret your postings with a bias parallel to the one you have displayed toward me so far.

i hope you can reconsider for the sake of technical professionalism.

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2024-05-08 16:06 [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-08 16:29 ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 19:16   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-08 20:10     ` hiro
2024-05-08 21:52       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-09  9:05         ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 11:05           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-09 14:04             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 16:30               ` kvik
2024-05-09 14:07             ` Lucas Francesco
2024-05-09 14:13               ` ori
2024-05-10 10:58                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-10 13:01                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-10 14:24                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 18:25                   ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:15                     ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 19:34                       ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                         ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:16                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 20:21                             ` Dan Cross
2024-05-12 13:16                             ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? Richard Miller
2024-05-12 13:59                               ` tlaronde
2024-05-12 14:25                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:43                                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 17:09                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:32                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 11:00                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 22:43                                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13 11:41                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:47                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:51                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-13 13:02                                         ` David du Colombier
2024-05-13 13:05                                         ` [9fans] golang dependency on python3 Richard Miller
2024-05-13 14:13                                       ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? hiro
2024-05-12 15:19                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12 18:19                               ` ori
2024-05-12 20:10                                 ` ori
2024-05-13 10:18                                   ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 10:48                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:48                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:06                                       ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 21:15                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-12 18:23                         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-09 10:55         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 16:16           ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 19:08             ` [9fans] fossil Richard Miller
2024-05-09 19:50         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-10  4:44           ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) vic.thacker
2024-05-10  7:33             ` Lallero
2024-05-10  8:47               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-10  9:07                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 10:21                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 11:53                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 12:20                       ` Lallero
2024-05-10 12:38                       ` thedaemon via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:19                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 13:18                       ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:38                       ` kvik
2024-05-10 14:54                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:26                           ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:12                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-11 22:27                               ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:50                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12  0:43                                   ` ori
2024-05-12  2:55                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12  7:19                                       ` plan6
2024-05-12 11:45                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 11:53                                           ` hiro
2024-05-12 11:56                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 12:18                                               ` plan6
2024-05-12 12:41                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-12 13:21                                                     ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:47                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 13:23                                                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-12 15:11                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 15:55                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:56                                                         ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                 ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:09                                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 18:36                                           ` ori
2024-05-13  0:21                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  1:32                                               ` ori
2024-05-13  1:46                                                 ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13  1:56                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:09                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  3:52                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  4:06                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  4:42                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  5:16                                                         ` clinton
2024-05-13  5:33                                                       ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  5:54                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:07                                                           ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  6:14                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:44                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  8:10                                                           ` sirjofri
2024-05-13  8:42                                                             ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:38                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:55                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 12:56                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:59                                                                     ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 21:01                                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 21:17                                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 14:12                                                                       ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:02                                                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 16:30                                                                           ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:39                                                                             ` arnold
2024-05-14 17:54                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-14 18:38                                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 19:05                                                                                 ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 19:44                                                                                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-16 11:51                                                                                     ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 23:19                                                                                   ` michaelian ennis
2024-05-15  4:46                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  5:55                                                                                       ` Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ] vic.thacker
2024-05-15  6:11                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  6:41                                                                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  7:39                                                                                             ` plan6
2024-05-15  9:17                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 10:08                                                                                                 ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 10:35                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 12:04                                                                                                   ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  8:38                                                                                             ` sirjofri
2024-05-15  9:25                                                                                               ` Aleksandar Kuktin
2024-05-15 13:58                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 14:18                                                                                                 ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 14:56                                                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:04                                                                                                     ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                       ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:34                                                                                                         ` Jens Staal
2024-05-15 15:26                                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 14:52                                                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-15 13:29                                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-15  6:04                                                                                       ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  9:02                                                                                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  9:04                                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-15 13:38                                                                                           ` ori
2024-05-15 14:35                                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:18                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                               ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:39                                                                                                 ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 15:53                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:10                                                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:20                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:51                                                                                                         ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:54                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 17:00                                                                                                             ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 17:03                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 17:36                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 18:32                                                                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:06                                                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-15 22:17                                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:38                                                                                                                   ` Steve Simon
2024-05-16  9:17                                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:51                                                                                                     ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:37                                                                                                       ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:45                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 12:58                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:11                                                                                                       ` [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.] Richard Miller
2024-05-17 18:14                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 19:14                                                                                                           ` David du Colombier
2024-05-17 19:45                                                                                                             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-18 13:53                                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-18 14:06                                                                                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-18 14:24                                                                                                                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:52                                                                                                 ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:06                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:13                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:22                                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:28                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:17                                                                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 16:21                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:27                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:28                                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:57                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:19                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:36                                                                                               ` hiro [this message]
2024-05-14 17:30                                                                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  5:48                                                               ` John the Scott
2024-05-15  9:34                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 13:18                                                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-15 13:46                                                                   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:26                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:30                                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  9:22                                                             ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:56                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:57                                                               ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 10:12                                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:40                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 11:01                                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:26                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 12:08                                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:35                                                                           ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:50                                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:26                                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:32                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-13 14:47                                                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:15                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:12                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13 15:03                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:20                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13  6:01                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:18                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:23                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:55                                                         ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  7:27                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:47                                                             ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  8:00                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:04                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:52                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:13                                                           ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13  2:16                                                 ` clinton
2024-05-13  2:33                                                   ` ori
2024-05-13  2:36                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:02                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:55                                                   ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 10:43                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13  3:45                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  5:45                                                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:04                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:22                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:21                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  6:58                                                       ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:27                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13  1:37                                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  2:53                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:38                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13  9:45                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:56                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:01                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 14:39                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 14:46                                                         ` ori
2024-05-13 15:04                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 15:56                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 16:41                                                             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 17:01                                                             ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13 17:59                                                               ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 18:07                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:45                                                                 ` Matt Wilbur
2024-05-13 18:04                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-17 10:06                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 11:09                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-17 11:11                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:32                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 12:14                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 13:50                                                                       ` Clout Tolstoy
2024-05-17 14:22                                                                         ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:35                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:58                                                                           ` Dave Eckhardt
2024-05-17 15:36                                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:31                                                                     ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:43                                                                       ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:14                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 14:20                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:46                                                                             ` Michael Kerpan
2024-05-17 14:59                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:58                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:59                                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:22                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 17:50                                                                                   ` fig
2024-05-17 18:03                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 20:09                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-17 20:06                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 23:08                                                                                       ` fig
2024-05-17 23:32                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:49                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:48                                                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:12                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 12:47                                                                     ` ori
2024-05-17 15:51                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-18  3:32                                                                       ` vester.thacker
2024-05-18  7:10                                                                         ` sirjofri
2024-05-17 12:26                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:49                                                                 ` Steve Simon
2024-05-17 15:02                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 13:11                                                                 ` hiro
     [not found]                                       ` <2eaaa7c4-ea43-4c97-bf33-9a78964debb3@app.fastmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <4a1cb1b6-869d-4697-8d63-fd949f6be596@posixcafe.org>
2024-05-12 11:40                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-17 16:23               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-10  8:17           ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-10  8:26             ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-10  8:48               ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:37               ` hiro
2024-05-10 17:09             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11  9:45               ` David du Colombier
2024-05-11 19:51                 ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:04                     ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:08                       ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:29                         ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:58                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2024-05-11 21:03                             ` hiro
2024-05-11 21:14                               ` Skip Tavakkolian

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