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Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:40:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <17107012140.3DDfA3.94831@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <13FCA7C1E47C7879DAEF559AB19DEE5F@felloff.net> In-Reply-To: <13FCA7C1E47C7879DAEF559AB19DEE5F@felloff.net> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:40:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] VMX Cores To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 643b0cf8-e51c-11ee-b2a8-bb5c28513ea5 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzA4MTE1NTUyMjgyYTBhMi1NNjJjN2I3NmU1ZThhNzY2ZDdlY2M2?= =?UTF-8?B?MDFkPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M62c7b76e5e8a766d7ecc601d:1:QYejUIX7HP-J5nTHx79cC5YZr8yNN-w4zJZq_Bz8Xao > i dont see vmx causing kernel crashes for me. > however, i think the author meant to express is lack > of confidence in the air-tightiness of vmx giving > the zillions of architectual registers you have to > setup to contain a guest. it is easy to forget > to set some bit and everything works until someone > manages to exploit that. and not like any competitor has any great solution to that either. the hardware just never was built for such strong isolation to meaningfully prevent that kind of exploit. and if it did, there would still always be other side-channels. just less obvious ones (from today's pov). in terms of stability, my slowlaris hypervisor (their own vmx plus qemu) has finally reached some limit, which destroyed the guest kernel's interpretation of time, which created some centuries of timeshifting, waits don't fire any more, and suddenly i have 1000s days of uptime bec. it's like a hundred years later now. forced me to destroy this virtual computer and thus reboot the guest. :D stuff breaks. everywhere. vmx is small, so actually it might break less in some edge-cases. but yes, virtualization is one more layer, and the interfaces, drivers, aren't as minimal as they could be, so virtualization still sucks. even with all these hw optimizations now. still a neat hack, i guess if you want to implement multi-core vmx, a lot of firefox on vmx on plan9 users will be happy. otherwise, what do we need that needs multiple cores in a vm? ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc08115552282a0a2-M62c7b= 76e5e8a766d7ecc601d Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription