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Mon, 13 May 2024 08:20:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7eb7bd48-c6c1-4649-8c7b-000df046fed1@posixcafe.org> <17155723490.63cF0a1BB.31755@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <17155862790.b8aBca6c.427179@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <17155921690.3bf6.679459@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <8938f0cb-6235-4d56-94c9-e3af18bb8519@posixcafe.org> In-Reply-To: <8938f0cb-6235-4d56-94c9-e3af18bb8519@posixcafe.org> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 17:20:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 540206d8-113c-11ef-8d47-ae79ff8b7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NN2ZkMmFlYmRlOTNjYTAyNjg2Nzkz?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmM4Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M7fd2aebde93ca02686793fc8:1:Uy7rPWBzJQHQYoYCJm22lZJfTaw3l3aswaegZ89YprQ > As others have pointed out I think an "official" classification is of lit= tle pragmatic benefit, but it would be nice > to not have this tired conversation every email thread. Of course I have = reason to believe that even if the p9f were > to recognize 9front as being a "Plan 9" it still would not be good enough. i don't really care that much how things are named, as long as 9front is recognized at all, for the value that it brings to the whole community. this would align very well with the official stated goals of the p9f: "promote and support continued research into lightweight distributed systems based on the ideas presented in the Plan 9 operating system and related technologies". ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-M7fd2a= ebde93ca02686793fc8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription