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Mon, 13 May 2024 02:39:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8122BD1CA772D8E283AAED63FDC339E5@eigenstate.org> In-Reply-To: From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:38:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: aaa785ba-110c-11ef-a297-cb04018c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NMWY5NGU0ZTIxMmJiYjlkMTk5NTRk?= =?UTF-8?B?NTNhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M1f94e4e212bbb9d19954d53a:1:q29dYs6OCrG0cMI7egahQmfV4YP9stXdP7I6hR-iBg4 are you contributing the team? and paying the team? On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 2:22=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > > The complexity of communication in this medium often necessitates detaile= d discussions. You highlighted the need for additional personnel to manage= the workload (e.g. do the work). From my perspective, this requires a wel= l-defined vision, clear objectives, and a prioritized list of deliverables = to align efforts effectively. Currently, it seems the role of product mana= gers is collectively held, though it's unclear who exactly is responsible. = Typically, a team of two or more individuals would focus on these delivera= bles. In past projects, I've seen the use of a project board to keep every= one updated on tasks=E2=80=94an approach known as "information radiator" in= project management. I'm open to other methods if you had something differ= ent in mind that I may have overlooked. If you are considering a meritocra= cy, I would recommend caution. Experience has shown that what we truly nee= d is increased collaboration and unity, rather than a system that could pot= entially encourage competition and division. I apologize if my message is = obtuse, I am trying to keep this message concise, I can expound more for cl= arity. I hope my explanation helps. > > Vic > > > On Mon, May 13, 2024, at 03:36, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > > that's not what I said. > > > > Quoth vic.thacker@fastmail.fm: > >> I agree that having a clear vision and charter is essential before for= ming a team. Regarding building an inclusive Plan 9 community that encompas= ses multiple groups, it's important to establish common goals and values th= at resonate with all members. What are your thoughts on creating open chann= els for dialogue and collaboration? How can we ensure that everyone feels v= alued and heard? This approach could foster a more cooperative and inclusiv= e environment. > >> > >> Vic > >> > >> > >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:19, plan6@room3420.net wrote: > >> > "tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try > >> > to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is > >> > to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value." [from Ori]. > >> > or > >> > "Don't be the kid who can't play [whatever]ball but wants to teach > >> > everybody and be the team coach, just because he read a book." ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-M1f94e= 4e212bbb9d19954d53a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription