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Thu, 25 Jan 2024 06:10:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0effcc39-7b03-4a1c-af30-36ffc6d97e2a@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 15:10:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 7aaee988-bb8b-11ee-abb6-5264098c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NZDcwZDg1MmY3NjRiZjA3MTEzYmYw?= =?UTF-8?B?YjQ4Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> From: "hiro via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Md70d852f764bf07113bf0b48:1:jSWJUqFIoXb965Gxqzvqxv5L4QUecXL-33JVjn0Syp0 > I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I=E2=80= =99d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to o= nly receive patches through them. Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User? Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would "manage" something. for example development and continuous hosting of the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case. I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via email) received from them. I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off" is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and community (that is willing to stay patches) alive. It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community members are able to contribute quite effectively. To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with blackjack and hookers. In my head. Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and keep them alive and infect others with all that. 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