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Fri, 17 May 2024 08:58:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <54D1A99DA34F0410D3BAFBA5C9B4FD6E@migadu.com> In-Reply-To: From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 17:58:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5412a182-1466-11ef-945a-7096008c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UZTA1MWYyMzBmMjY1NmJiYi1NYmE0MjI3NzNmZDU3MDA1ZGE5MWUw?= =?UTF-8?B?ODNlPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mba422773fd57005da91e083e:1:9f5op2iHoZ1uuBQgiMZk5vHd7UKpUkx-GNkekQFfggA no. On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:47=E2=80=AFPM Michael Kerpan wrote: > > Could people please stop accusing people of being fake just because they = write verbosly? That kind of behavior is part and parcel of the incredibly = rude and mean-spirited behavior mentioned in that LinkedIn thing. > > Mike > > On Fri, May 17, 2024, 10:21=E2=80=AFAM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> or rename that linkedin garbage to "using AI to disincentivize open >> discussion communities" >> >> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:16=E2=80=AFPM Jacob Moody wrote: >> > >> > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conf= lict-vester-thacker-htt3f/ >> > >> > This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I suggest you take this = incorrect garbage down. >> > >> > >> > On 5/17/24 07:43, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote: >> > > It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished product. I'll cor= rect the mistakes found. >> > > >> > > Thank you for the kind feedback. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. >> > > >> > > On Friday, May 17th, 2024 at 9:31 PM, qwx via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net= > wrote: >> > > >> > >> On Fri May 17 13:33:21 +0200 2024, plan6@room3420.net wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> an other interesting reading : >> > >>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-= conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=3Darticle-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-article= s_related-content-card >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> I'm appalled and frankly furious about this article. It's blatant >> > >> slander which can affect me in my professional career. I'm a phD >> > >> candidate and my work is based on Plan 9 and developed on 9front; I >> > >> was going to present it at iwp9 but could not once the venue was >> > >> changed as it rendered it incompatible with my time table. >> > >> >> > >> The article lacks references to many of its claims, and the remaini= ng >> > >> ones directly contradict its points. The Register article is even >> > >> linked incorrectly. A superficial reader would not bother to try to >> > >> follow the links or find the article. For me this is clearly >> > >> malicious attention-seeking. >> > >> >> > >> Regarding the pdf posted earlier[1], almost all of it is factually >> > >> incorrect. As an example, there are no drivers for modern nvidia or >> > >> amd chips or bluetooth. Many of the "system calls" listed in the pdf >> > >> are not system calls (proccreate) or simply don't exit (vlongtime), >> > >> and so on. In addition, it is trivial to recreate the same content >> > >> with a query like the following: `Generate a detailed book-style >> > >> document called "Revitalizing Plan 9: integrating modern enhacements >> > >> into 9legacy" detailing all improvements introduced in 9front compa= red >> > >> to 9legacy'. See for yourself in an excerpt below my email. >> > >> >> > >> I don't understand what the goal here is. All this post and pdf >> > >> accomplish is spreading misinformation, promoting cancel culture, >> > >> fostering community division and discouraging collaboration with >> > >> 9front and even 9legacy, directly contradicting both Vic's claims a= nd >> > >> that of those who have sided with him in the thread. At this point, >> > >> use of chatgpt in this thread is blatant and harmful. Please stop. >> > >> >> > >> Thanks, >> > >> qwx >> > >> >> > >> [1] https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revit= alizing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf >> > >> --- >> > >> >> > >> Revitalizing Plan 9: Integrating Modern Enhancements into 9legacy >> > >> Introduction >> > >> Plan 9 from Bell Labs has long been recognized for its innovative a= pproach to distributed computing. However, as hardware and software technol= ogies advanced, the need for a more modernized version of Plan 9 became app= arent. This need led to the development of 9front, a fork of Plan 9 that in= corporates numerous enhancements and updates, surpassing 9legacy in several= key areas. 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