From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 01:48:01 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f50db420-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:58:23 -0800 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f58d7638-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> In-Reply-To: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:20:02 -0800 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005ae8730581f8bb97" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f592eb7c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0000000000005ae8730581f8bb97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think 9fans' work is done here. Time to move on to other things :) On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:59 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: > > > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > > > > Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced > virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. > > khm > > --0000000000005ae8730581f8bb97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think 9fans' work is done here. = Time to move on to other things :)

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:59 PM Kur= t H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrot= e:
On Sat, Feb 1= 6, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote:
> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for= -wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/
>

Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced
virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever.

khm

--0000000000005ae8730581f8bb97-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-832-gba113d7-fmstable-20190201v1 Message-Id: <7f5a716c-f588-4aa4-9316-44d8168a86e0@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:00:59 -0500 From: "Jeremy O'Brien" To: 9fans@9fans.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5983938-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, at 19:48, hiro wrote: > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > > oh man. a coworker of mine was just poking fun at me last week asking when Windows was gonna get a Plan9 subsystem. definitely showing him this. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 05:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5a3d522-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: >> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ >> > > Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced > virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. > I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steve Simon Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 08:53:47 +0000 Message-Id: <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5af5384-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 interesting... the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? then, c= an explorer mount my plan9 file server? the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the team= listed as 9fans of old. -Steve >> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re wrote: >>=20 >>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: >>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-ws= l-in-windows-10-version-1903/ >>=20 >> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced >> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. > I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level > namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. >=20 > Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:30:57 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5bf4a00-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Closet 9 Fans, outed! Pity, really, because these may be reluctant to reveal how to access a remote 9P site. But exciting, nevertheless. The weird thing I don't quite get is that it looks like u9fs running under WX with an extX interface. Is that going to be the trend? What are the permissible permutations? Lucio. On 2/16/19, Steve Simon wrote: > interesting... > > the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? then, > can explorer mount my plan9 file server? > > the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the team > listed as 9fans of old. > > -Steve > >>> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: >>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: >>>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ >>> >>> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced >>> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. >> I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level >> namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. >> >> Lucio. > > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:35:23 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5cfeb3a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level > namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. > > Lucio. > > what is a process-level namespace? you mean pid namespaces that linux has? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> In-Reply-To: <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 02:08:10 -0800 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001218690582001d30" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5d63148-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0000000000001218690582001d30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" from the description it sounds like Windows and WSL apps can only talk over AF_UNIX socket. if I understand your intent correctly, this might be what you're looking for: a while back Tim Newsham did ninefs; it uses npfs (ericvh and lionkov) and Dokan. i don't know if there has been any recent development. I forked a copy of ninefs from code.google.com into github, npfs sources are on sourceforge: https://github.com/9nut/ninefs https://sourceforge.net/p/npfs/code/HEAD/tree/npfs/ On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 12:54 AM Steve Simon wrote: > interesting... > > the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? > then, can explorer mount my plan9 file server? > > the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the > team listed as 9fans of old. > > -Steve > > >> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re wrote: > >> > >>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: > >>> > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > >> > >> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced > >> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. > > I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level > > namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. > > > > Lucio. > > > --0000000000001218690582001d30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
from the descriptio= n it sounds like Windows and WSL apps can only talk over AF_UNIX socket.

if I understand your intent correctly, this might be= what you're looking for: a while back Tim Newsham did ninefs; it uses = npfs (ericvh and lionkov) and Dokan. i don't know if there has been any= recent development. I forked a copy of ninefs from code.google.com into github, npfs sources are on sourceforg= e:


On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 12:54 AM Steve Simon = <steve@quintile.net> wrote:=
interesting...<= br>
the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? then,= can explorer mount my plan9 file server?

the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the= team listed as 9fans of old.

-Steve

>> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote:
>>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats= -new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/
>>
>> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduc= ed
>> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever.
> I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level
> namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing.
>
> Lucio.


--0000000000001218690582001d30-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:34:25 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5ee17a4-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Hell, I wish I could figure out what I want! I need to use Thunderbird as my mailer and that keeps reminding me how liberating it was some long time back when I was able to move from Mutt to Acme/Mail: the latter is so much less of a burden across so many aspects. But today I'd have to change job to get rid of Thunderbird and that's not going to happen. Then, there's GIT. Another annoying must-have. I really have to look into "gitfs" and dedicate daily time to create a Plan 9 compatible (that means Go, in my life, incidentally) VCS that is not a monstrosity. I doubt there's much hope to get that right. To close, there's Chrome. I can't for the hell of me understand how no one has declared the browser a health (mental and social) hazard. It's worse than DDT, by far. So, that's just a few places where I expect that a concerted effort from a willing community could put Plan 9 to great use. But of course contributions from bright minorities have been identified as contrary to the interests of the powerful elites and the bar set far too high to be overcome; specifically, not necessarily consciously, to prevent disruptive technologies taking hold. I can't reconcile myself to the idea that this may be for the best. And then Microsoft comes along and hi-jacks just enough of my favourite security blanket to make me feel discriminated against. Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 13:52:09 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5f3f598-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 2/16/19, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > > what is a process-level namespace? you mean pid namespaces that linux has? > Thankfully, it's been a long time since I had to look under Linux's hood. It is perfectly possible that Linux is more plan 9-ish than Plan 9 ever was. Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:28:23 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b6da0505820207cc" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5fa0708-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000000000000b6da0505820207cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" well spotted On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 00:48, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > > --000000000000b6da0505820207cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well spotted

--000000000000b6da0505820207cc-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> In-Reply-To: <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:50:51 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000b8cf6058202589d" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f6000284-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0000000000000b8cf6058202589d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I thought I remembered the name Brian Perkins until I realised that was a Radio 4 newsreader. On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 08:54, Steve Simon wrote: > interesting... > > the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? > then, can explorer mount my plan9 file server? > > the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the > team listed as 9fans of old. > > -Steve > > >> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re wrote: > >> > >>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: > >>> > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > >> > >> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced > >> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. > > I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level > > namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. > > > > Lucio. > > > --0000000000000b8cf6058202589d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought I remembered the name Brian Perkins until I real= ised that was a Radio 4 newsreader.

interesting..= .

the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? then,= can explorer mount my plan9 file server?

the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the= team listed as 9fans of old.

-Steve

>> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote:
>>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats= -new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/
>>
>> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduc= ed
>> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever.
> I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level
> namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing.
>
> Lucio.


--0000000000000b8cf6058202589d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:38:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f6153f0a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Thankfully, it's been a long time since I had to look under Linux's > hood. It is perfectly possible that Linux is more plan 9-ish than Plan > 9 ever was. > > Lucio. hardly. whatever namespace features they have come with huge cost, because nothing in linux is ever loosely coupled like our file servers (that can even be userspace). complexity is going up, every module needs to be extended with namespace features, often in a rush by people that have never touched that module before (and possibly don't care much about it either) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-832-gba113d7-fmstable-20190201v1 Message-Id: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 06:34:25 -0500 From: "Ethan Gardener" To: 9fans@9fans.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f621ff74-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, at 12:49 AM, hiro wrote: > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ I got excited for a moment, but then I saw, "This server contains protocols that support Linux metadata, including permissions." It's going to be 9p2000.L or yet another incompatible fork of the protocol. I'm still annoyed with Microsoft for not publishing an interface for network filesystem drivers; it makes it hard to have a reliable Windows AFS client which otherwise would be ideal for my mobile usage plans. The only option for Windows 10 seems to be an AFS-SMB bridge, but the OpenAFS website complains of breakage due to Microsoft moving SMB's bugs around. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> References: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> From: Lucio De Re Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 06:13:31 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f6274b5a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 2/17/19, Ethan Gardener wrote: > > I got excited for a moment, but then I saw, "This server contains protocols > that support Linux metadata, including permissions." It's going to be > 9p2000.L or yet another incompatible fork of the protocol. > It's still an improvement over any predecessor, don't knock it! > I'm still annoyed with Microsoft for not publishing an interface for network > filesystem drivers; Now, there's a waste of emotions :-). Those leopard spots - in this case a corporate culture, with the emphasis on "culture", not "corporate" - will be hard to shift, ever unlikely to change. But there are signs of osmosis, maybe the colour will change. Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-reply-to: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> References: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18903.1550523769.1@orthanc.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:02:49 -0800 Message-Id: <42acf327df9fc07e@orthanc.ca> Cc: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f63e490e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Ethan Gardener writes: > I got excited for a moment, but then I saw, "This server contains > protocols that support Linux metadata, including permissions." It's > going to be 9p2000.L or yet another incompatible fork of the protocol. Is Upspin an alternative? (Not helpful if you're required to talk to specific AFS infrastructure.) --lyndon From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42acf327df9fc07e@orthanc.ca> References: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> <42acf327df9fc07e@orthanc.ca> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f646f324-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i would love to see more upspin related news :) is there a good storage backend for it now? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-895-g0d23ba6-fmstable-20190213v1 Message-Id: <1e0d89a3-7b55-44f9-b1f8-53a0493e8d9c@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <42acf327df9fc07e@orthanc.ca> References: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> <42acf327df9fc07e@orthanc.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 03:52:14 -0500 From: "Ethan Gardener" To: 9fans@9fans.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f651a210-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Is Upspin an alternative? (Not helpful if you're required to talk to > specific AFS infrastructure.) For my use, I may as well use SMB over a VPN. AFS has just the right sort of caching to minimize mobile data usage without messing up. Upspin advertises a ton of features irelevant to me. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-895-g0d23ba6-fmstable-20190213v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e0d89a3-7b55-44f9-b1f8-53a0493e8d9c@www.fastmail.com> References: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> <42acf327df9fc07e@orthanc.ca> <1e0d89a3-7b55-44f9-b1f8-53a0493e8d9c@www.fastmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 04:13:32 -0500 From: "Ethan Gardener" To: 9fans@9fans.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f65722d0-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Oh lol... you know Upspin isn't designed to work with Windows Android or iOS when you see how permissions are granted: a file called Access with no extension. This is all right if you do everything from the command line, but it's not exactly the ease and flexibility they claim to be going for. Maybe there's an Upspin app you're supposed to do everything with, and ditto! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <44299baf-4678-4ba4-bc73-0c49dc70d006@www.fastmail.com> <42acf327df9fc07e@orthanc.ca> <1e0d89a3-7b55-44f9-b1f8-53a0493e8d9c@www.fastmail.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 22:36:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f65d7248-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 upspin seems to be mostly a global naming, fine-grained (not just groups) authorization, addressing and indexing system. conceptionally it doesn't require the use of CLI tools, though (unknown to me) it might be the first implementations are centered around that. i think the problems it attempts to solve are very real, and i'd like to find out more. i haven't seen how to have it represented on an easily accessible (conventionally) global file hierarchy on plan9 (and then, trivially on other systems by exposing it via cifs for example). On 2/20/19, Ethan Gardener wrote: > Oh lol... you know Upspin isn't designed to work with Windows Android or iOS > when you see how permissions are granted: a file called Access with no > extension. This is all right if you do everything from the command line, > but it's not exactly the ease and flexibility they claim to be going for. > Maybe there's an Upspin app you're supposed to do everything with, and > ditto! > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7DFB389F-104B-4A61-9667-5DF0AA7C08CD From: Steve Simon Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:07:22 +0000 Message-Id: References: <20190216005823.GA24639@wopr> <8D3EB3E2-5BD6-415F-B0CE-7E98EAB323C7@quintile.net> In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution Topicbox-Message-UUID: f669b332-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail-7DFB389F-104B-4A61-9667-5DF0AA7C08CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no stereotyping please. just because he is a radio news reader it doesn't mean he can=E2=80=99t have= good taste in operating systems in his spare time...=F0=9F=98=80 > On 16 Feb 2019, at 12:50 pm, Charles Forsyth w= rote: >=20 > I thought I remembered the name Brian Perkins until I realised that was a R= adio 4 newsreader. >=20 >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 08:54, Steve Simon wrote: >> interesting... >>=20 >> the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? the= n, can explorer mount my plan9 file server? >>=20 >> the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the t= eam listed as 9fans of old. >>=20 >> -Steve >>=20 >> >> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re wrote: >> >>=20 >> >>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: >> >>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for= -wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ >> >>=20 >> >> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced >> >> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. >> > I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level >> > namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. >> >=20 >> > Lucio. --Apple-Mail-7DFB389F-104B-4A61-9667-5DF0AA7C08CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

no= stereotyping please.

just b= ecause he is a radio news reader it doesn't mean he can=E2=80=99t have good t= aste in operating systems in his spare time...=F0=9F=98=80


On 16 Feb 2019, at 12:50 pm, Charles For= syth <charles.forsyth@gmail.= com> wrote:

I thought I remembered the name Brian Perkins until I reali= sed that was a Radio 4 newsreader.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 08:54, Steve Simon &l= t;steve@quintile.net> wrote:
interesting...

the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? then, c= an explorer mount my plan9 file server?

the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the team= listed as 9fans of old.

-Steve

>> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote:
>>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-ne= w-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/
>>
>> Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduce= d
>> virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever.
> I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level
> namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing.
>
> Lucio.


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