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Wed, 02 Feb 2022 03:07:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a54:2090:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 03:06:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <021ae931-7636-4ff6-a28c-18feb489c640@www.fastmail.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 12:06:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions? To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 435d8f5e-8418-11ec-a0e6-cc5ce34b7efc Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDlmM2NjZWVhNzBkMmI2MS1NNDc4MmY4OTMxODM0MTI1MGYxMzhl?= =?UTF-8?B?MjcyPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M4782f89318341250f138e272:1:-7tdqrc7OkbZ1r3IlR0yp5kM3zoUbMPoCBSi1i_-CbM as a trackpoint fanatic i can tell you: no, i can't sweep as easily as with a physical mouse. but if a physical mouse is 10/10, and a smartphone is 1/10, then a touchpad is 3/10 and a trackpoint is 8/10 for my purposes. the only thing that makes this more steep is gaming: there the mouse is much more important, and sometimes reaction times matter, so if physical mouse is still 10/10, the smartphone and touchpad is basically unusable 0/10, the trackpoint 3/10, and the only alternative *still* barely usable, in my books. the only thing excluded here is those ball mice, i never got used to them. On 2/2/22, Oleg Finkelshteyn wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, at 04:25, Ben Hancock wrote: >> Do you find you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with >> a physical mouse? >=20 > can't really say: i'm not a heavy acme user, and i haven't had a mouse in > years. shinobi does feel pretty close to a thinkpad, so you should be able > to test with a latter. > acme feels comfortable to me in my setup, but you should really check > whether you are fine with having to use both thumbs to chord. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-M4782f= 89318341250f138e272 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription