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From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 13:19:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFSF3XPzKMikiYeNe3r+YUUFE+rjXb3iqUN0V2XjVTsnSbb0dQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7E48DCCF430AE2E5CEE0B50FD3A8D361@smtp.pobox.com>

> Foundation and 9front can work to figure out how to make it so there's
> one distribution.

For 9front this doesn't matter so much. We do not have a problem with
there being multiple (sometimes experimental) distributions. For
non-experimental things like 9legacy and miller's rpi releases, we're
already benefiting from each other and sharing code without any
issues.

> There appear to be entrenched philosophical differences, but both
> "sides" agree that 9front is a fork and 9legacy isn't (one point of
> view is described @ http://9legacy.org/intro.html and the other is @
> http://fqa.9front.org/fqa0.html#0.1 ).

I disagree here.

When 9front was created it was technically a fork, because there was
still a diverging bell-labs plan 9 distribution.

We may seem to have new non-accreditated "management", but we are all
fascinated what Plan 9 brought to this world and we would all like to
build on the general wisdom of the Plan 9 philosophy.

Now that bell-labs is gone, there have been no more mainline plan9 releases.

Instead we have a few remaining relevant distributions like 9legacy or
miller's rpi releases, all of which technically are about as much a
fork as 9front is.

Erik's 9atom has been unmaintained for a longer time so we didn't have
any problems following those patches.

Harvey and related distributions are highly experimental, they diverge
much further from Plan 9 basic architecture without any will of
keeping backwards compatibility.
They are more revolutionary than some of us can stomach.

A lot of people from the old crew at bell-labs completely abandoned
mainline bell-labs plan9 even before 9front has been started because
they seem content with just having a p9p layer on top of their
macbooks or other unix machines.

Apart from the occasional trolling that keeps on coming up on this
list, I don't see what deep trenches people are imagining would impair
the Plan 9 Community from working together on a well maintained Plan 9
distribution with simple procedures for sharing code in all
directions. Whose wrong foot did you suffer from when 9front got first
made?

The few remaining people that actually care about collaborating
together and keeping Plan 9 alive as a proper operating system running
on real hardware, please add your views in case I am ignoring some
other side of all this.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-24 11:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-23 19:11 hiro
2021-06-23 23:05 ` unobe
2021-06-23 23:35   ` Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir
2021-06-23 23:58     ` Romano
2021-06-24  4:06       ` Lucio De Re
2021-06-24  4:56         ` unobe
2021-06-24  5:52           ` Lucio De Re
2021-06-24 21:25             ` Wes Kussmaul
2021-06-24 23:29               ` silas poulson
2021-06-25 13:06                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2021-06-24  8:24         ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2021-06-24  9:25           ` [9fans] plan9 and touch screens Richard Miller
2021-06-24  9:59             ` Lucio De Re
2021-06-24 10:12           ` [9fans] p9f mention of 9front Philip Silva via 9fans
2021-06-24 16:05             ` unobe
2021-06-24 16:16             ` Ethan Gardener
2021-06-24 11:19   ` hiro [this message]
2021-06-24 15:01     ` AW: " sirjofri
2021-06-24 20:51     ` unobe
2021-06-25  8:28       ` Steve Simon
2021-06-25  9:31         ` Richard Miller
2021-06-25 12:41           ` [9fans] full fossil follies Richard Miller
2021-06-25 14:12             ` adr via 9fans
2021-06-25 15:17               ` tlaronde
2021-06-25 16:06                 ` adr via 9fans
2021-06-25 16:45                   ` adr via 9fans
2021-06-26  9:01                     ` Ethan Gardener
2021-06-25 17:23                 ` Iruatã Souza
2021-06-26  8:56                   ` Richard Miller
2021-06-26  8:34       ` [9fans] p9f mention of 9front Ethan Gardener
2021-06-26 12:55         ` noam

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