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Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:a002:b029:1e:dcb9:6f96 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7E48DCCF430AE2E5CEE0B50FD3A8D361@smtp.pobox.com> References: <7E48DCCF430AE2E5CEE0B50FD3A8D361@smtp.pobox.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 13:19:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: ff93f626-d4dd-11eb-a195-ff8041e9b339 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNTIzZDZlOTA2YTE3YTdjYy1NNDM5YWJjOTg2MDA5ZDk3OGRjNjZm?= =?UTF-8?B?ODY3Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M439abc986009d978dc66f867:1:wo0fA9mWARMfZR_CLzeb8LpR5Up0DZVjhOxtMecQzDs > Foundation and 9front can work to figure out how to make it so there's > one distribution. For 9front this doesn't matter so much. We do not have a problem with there being multiple (sometimes experimental) distributions. For non-experimental things like 9legacy and miller's rpi releases, we're already benefiting from each other and sharing code without any issues. > There appear to be entrenched philosophical differences, but both > "sides" agree that 9front is a fork and 9legacy isn't (one point of > view is described @ http://9legacy.org/intro.html and the other is @ > http://fqa.9front.org/fqa0.html#0.1 ). I disagree here. When 9front was created it was technically a fork, because there was still a diverging bell-labs plan 9 distribution. We may seem to have new non-accreditated "management", but we are all fascinated what Plan 9 brought to this world and we would all like to build on the general wisdom of the Plan 9 philosophy. Now that bell-labs is gone, there have been no more mainline plan9 releases. Instead we have a few remaining relevant distributions like 9legacy or miller's rpi releases, all of which technically are about as much a fork as 9front is. Erik's 9atom has been unmaintained for a longer time so we didn't have any problems following those patches. Harvey and related distributions are highly experimental, they diverge much further from Plan 9 basic architecture without any will of keeping backwards compatibility. They are more revolutionary than some of us can stomach. A lot of people from the old crew at bell-labs completely abandoned mainline bell-labs plan9 even before 9front has been started because they seem content with just having a p9p layer on top of their macbooks or other unix machines. Apart from the occasional trolling that keeps on coming up on this list, I don't see what deep trenches people are imagining would impair the Plan 9 Community from working together on a well maintained Plan 9 distribution with simple procedures for sharing code in all directions. Whose wrong foot did you suffer from when 9front got first made? The few remaining people that actually care about collaborating together and keeping Plan 9 alive as a proper operating system running on real hardware, please add your views in case I am ignoring some other side of all this. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T523d6e906a17a7cc-M439ab= c986009d978dc66f867 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription