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* [9fans] Sad News
@ 2011-10-13  5:29 Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
  2011-10-13  5:35 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
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From: Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan @ 2011-10-13  5:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs, inferno-list

Hi,

Here is a sad news:

RIP Dennis Ritchie, 70, Author Of “C,” Co-Author Of UNIX Computer
Language (2’19″)
http://moviecitynews.com/2011/10/rip-dennis-ritchie-70-author-of-c-co-author-of-unix-computer-language-219/

Regards
dharani



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13  5:29 [9fans] Sad News Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
@ 2011-10-13  5:35 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
  2011-10-13  6:57   ` Peter A. Cejchan
  2011-10-13 13:19 ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan @ 2011-10-13  5:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs, inferno-list

https://plus.google.com/u/0/101960720994009339267/posts/ENuEDDYfvKP?hl=en

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
<vdharani@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is a sad news:
>
> RIP Dennis Ritchie, 70, Author Of “C,” Co-Author Of UNIX Computer
> Language (2’19″)
> http://moviecitynews.com/2011/10/rip-dennis-ritchie-70-author-of-c-co-author-of-unix-computer-language-219/
>
> Regards
> dharani
>



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13  5:35 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
@ 2011-10-13  6:57   ` Peter A. Cejchan
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Peter A. Cejchan @ 2011-10-13  6:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Rest in peace, dear Sir, ad thank you for C...
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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13  5:29 [9fans] Sad News Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
  2011-10-13  5:35 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
@ 2011-10-13 13:19 ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
  2011-10-13 13:44   ` Digby Tarvin
  2011-10-13 13:30 ` dexen deVries
  2011-10-13 15:19 ` pera
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com @ 2011-10-13 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

C and UNIX were each very significant turning points in my life for various reasons.  Two thoughts:

printf("Thank you DMR!\n");

return EXIT_SUCCESS;


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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13  5:29 [9fans] Sad News Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
  2011-10-13  5:35 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
  2011-10-13 13:19 ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
@ 2011-10-13 13:30 ` dexen deVries
  2011-10-13 15:19 ` pera
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: dexen deVries @ 2011-10-13 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

C and linux got me into the great adventure of computing.

big thanks to dmr (Unix uid 7) who made it all possible.

-- 
dexen deVries

[[[↓][→]]]



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 13:19 ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
@ 2011-10-13 13:44   ` Digby Tarvin
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From: Digby Tarvin @ 2011-10-13 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

It is so sad that the people most responsible for the key software
technologies are almost unheard of by the general public, and most
credit seems to be given to people that jump on the bandwagon much
later..

If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
the top on my list.

DigbyT

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 09:19:01AM -0400, ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com wrote:
> C and UNIX were each very significant turning points in my life for various reasons.  Two thoughts:
>
> printf("Thank you DMR!\n");
>
> return EXIT_SUCCESS;
--
Digby R. S. Tarvin                                          digbyt(at)digbyt.com
http://www.digbyt.com



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13  5:29 [9fans] Sad News Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-10-13 13:30 ` dexen deVries
@ 2011-10-13 15:19 ` pera
  2011-10-13 16:56   ` Digby Tarvin
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From: pera @ 2011-10-13 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Turing Award is something like a Nobel prize for computers.

RIP dmr :'(

On Oct 13, 10:18 am, dig...@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) wrote:
> It is so sad that the people most responsible for the key software
> technologies are almost unheard of by the general public, and most
> credit seems to be given to people that jump on the bandwagon much
> later..
>
> If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
> the top on my list.
>
> DigbyT
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 09:19:01AM -0400, ComeauAt9F...@gmail.com wrote:
> > C and UNIX were each very significant turning points in my life for various reasons.  Two thoughts:
>
> > printf("Thank you DMR!\n");
>
> > return EXIT_SUCCESS;
>
> --
> Digby R. S. Tarvin                                          digbyt(at)digbyt.comhttp://www.digbyt.com



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 15:19 ` pera
@ 2011-10-13 16:56   ` Digby Tarvin
  2011-10-13 17:26     ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-10-13 17:19   ` tlaronde
  2011-10-13 18:14   ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Digby Tarvin @ 2011-10-13 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Thats true. I hope the Turing award is more widely know in other
parts of the world than it is here (a bit sad as I can walk to
Bletchley Park from here). At least the general public know that
winning a Nobel prize is something significant, although even that
gets woefully little media attention here.

DigbyT

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 03:19:02PM +0000, pera wrote:
> Turing Award is something like a Nobel prize for computers.
> 
> RIP dmr :'(
> 
> On Oct 13, 10:18 am, dig...@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) wrote:
> > It is so sad that the people most responsible for the key software
> > technologies are almost unheard of by the general public, and most
> > credit seems to be given to people that jump on the bandwagon much
> > later..
> >
> > If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
> > the top on my list.
> >
> > DigbyT
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 09:19:01AM -0400, ComeauAt9F...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > C and UNIX were each very significant turning points in my life for various reasons.  Two thoughts:
> >
> > > printf("Thank you DMR!\n");
> >
> > > return EXIT_SUCCESS;
> >
> > --
> > Digby R. S. Tarvin                                          digbyt(at)digbyt.comhttp://www.digbyt.com

-- 
Digby R. S. Tarvin                                          digbyt(at)digbyt.com
http://www.digbyt.com



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 15:19 ` pera
  2011-10-13 16:56   ` Digby Tarvin
@ 2011-10-13 17:19   ` tlaronde
  2011-10-13 17:22     ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
  2011-10-13 18:14   ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: tlaronde @ 2011-10-13 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

> On Oct 13, 10:18 am, dig...@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) wrote:
> >
> > If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
> > the top on my list.

Culture is what is left when everything is forgotten.
Eminent men are the ones remembered when fashionable ones vanished in
the silence following the buzz.

Denis M. Ritchie will be remembered.

And it's a chance that there is no Nobel for mathematics or computer
science: no need to be deshonored by this mondaine crap.
-- 
        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
                      http://www.kergis.com/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 17:19   ` tlaronde
@ 2011-10-13 17:22     ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
  2011-10-13 19:30       ` erik quanstrom
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Lluís Batlle i Rossell @ 2011-10-13 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 07:19:59PM +0200, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
> And it's a chance that there is no Nobel for mathematics or computer
> science: no need to be deshonored by this mondaine crap.

Or there are shameful "Nobel" prizes, like the economics, started by the Bank of
Sweden taking profit of Nobel's name, and with very strong political biases,
denounced even by those receiving the award. And presented by the press usually
neglecting these details.



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 16:56   ` Digby Tarvin
@ 2011-10-13 17:26     ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-10-13 17:40       ` simon softnet
  2011-10-13 18:24       ` Digby Tarvin
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2011-10-13 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Digby Tarvin, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 17:56 +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> I hope the Turing award is more widely know in other
> parts of the world than it is here (a bit sad as I can walk to
> Bletchley Park from here).

Even Bletchley Park doesn't recognize its own. The real heavy lifting in
Bletchley's WWII cryptanalysis was not the Enigma stuff but the cracking
of the much more complex Lorenz cipher by Tommy Flowers & crew. I was
disappointed in my visit last year to see their building and exhibit as
an "oh yeah, you can see that too if you want" outside the main tour.
Just a working recreation of Colossus, as if that might interest
anyone :(  And that group has to pass the hat to visitors because they
don't share in Bletchley's funding!

Wes Kussmaul




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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 17:26     ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2011-10-13 17:40       ` simon softnet
  2011-10-13 18:24       ` Digby Tarvin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: simon softnet @ 2011-10-13 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

I loved Dennis Ritchie, along with all the folks from "The labs", even
though I wasn't even born
at the time of their greatest breakthroughs.
Greatest inspiration I ever had comes from the mentality of those
people in Bell Labs.
Rest in Peace, and all my respect.

Simon.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Wes Kussmaul <wes@authentrus.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 17:56 +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote:
>> I hope the Turing award is more widely know in other
>> parts of the world than it is here (a bit sad as I can walk to
>> Bletchley Park from here).
>
> Even Bletchley Park doesn't recognize its own. The real heavy lifting in
> Bletchley's WWII cryptanalysis was not the Enigma stuff but the cracking
> of the much more complex Lorenz cipher by Tommy Flowers & crew. I was
> disappointed in my visit last year to see their building and exhibit as
> an "oh yeah, you can see that too if you want" outside the main tour.
> Just a working recreation of Colossus, as if that might interest
> anyone :(  And that group has to pass the hat to visitors because they
> don't share in Bletchley's funding!
>
> Wes Kussmaul
>
>
>



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 15:19 ` pera
  2011-10-13 16:56   ` Digby Tarvin
  2011-10-13 17:19   ` tlaronde
@ 2011-10-13 18:14   ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com @ 2011-10-13 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:19 PM, pera <gomesbascoy@gmail.com> wrote:

> Turing Award is something like a Nobel prize for computers.
>> 
>> 
>> 

Indeed and I'm certain recalling various  IEEE etc awards. On that same note, I'm certain he knew his impact, and for many that's sufficient, and perhaps as it should be. RIP.


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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 17:26     ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-10-13 17:40       ` simon softnet
@ 2011-10-13 18:24       ` Digby Tarvin
  2011-10-13 18:38         ` Charles Forsyth
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Digby Tarvin @ 2011-10-13 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs; +Cc: Digby Tarvin

> > I hope the Turing award is more widely know in other
> > parts of the world than it is here (a bit sad as I can walk to
> > Bletchley Park from here).
>
> Even Bletchley Park doesn't recognize its own. The real heavy lifting in
> Bletchley's WWII cryptanalysis was not the Enigma stuff but the cracking
> of the much more complex Lorenz cipher by Tommy Flowers & crew. I was
> disappointed in my visit last year to see their building and exhibit as
> an "oh yeah, you can see that too if you want" outside the main tour.
> Just a working recreation of Colossus, as if that might interest
> anyone :(  And that group has to pass the hat to visitors because they
> don't share in Bletchley's funding!
>
> Wes Kussmaul

True. Even the Enigma stuff seems under funded.

And as I was reading this the BBC in the background was busy
discussing something about Kylie Minogue's honorary doctorate in
health science... :-/

I think I must be autistic because I just dont understand the
priorities of most humans...

Perhaps that is why it is such a loss when someone I actually
could relate to is gone.

DMR did give a talk at my university in Sydney when I was there
many years ago. I remember he wore a cap with a propellor on it.

He certainly will be missed.

DigbyT
--
Digby R. S. Tarvin                                          digbyt(at)digbyt.com
http://www.digbyt.com



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 18:24       ` Digby Tarvin
@ 2011-10-13 18:38         ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2011-10-13 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Digby Tarvin, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

It just got some Lottery money.

On 13 October 2011 19:24, Digby Tarvin <digbyt@acm.org> wrote:
> Even the Enigma stuff seems under funded.



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 17:22     ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
@ 2011-10-13 19:30       ` erik quanstrom
  2011-10-13 20:02         ` Wes Kussmaul
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2011-10-13 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Thu Oct 13 13:23:01 EDT 2011, viriketo@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 07:19:59PM +0200, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
> > And it's a chance that there is no Nobel for mathematics or computer
> > science: no need to be deshonored by this mondaine crap.
>
> Or there are shameful "Nobel" prizes, like the economics, started by the Bank of
> Sweden taking profit of Nobel's name, and with very strong political biases,
> denounced even by those receiving the award. And presented by the press usually
> neglecting these details.

i'd be a little hacked off if my wife ran off with a mathematician, too.
alfred just had the money to do something about it.

- erik



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 19:30       ` erik quanstrom
@ 2011-10-13 20:02         ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-10-13 21:19         ` Nick LaForge
  2011-10-24  8:46         ` Akshat Kumar
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2011-10-13 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 15:30 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Oct 13 13:23:01 EDT 2011, viriketo@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 07:19:59PM +0200, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
> > > And it's a chance that there is no Nobel for mathematics or computer
> > > science: no need to be deshonored by this mondaine crap.
> >
> > Or there are shameful "Nobel" prizes, like the economics, started by the Bank of
> > Sweden taking profit of Nobel's name, and with very strong political biases,
> > denounced even by those receiving the award. And presented by the press usually
> > neglecting these details.
>
> i'd be a little hacked off if my wife ran off with a mathematician, too.
> alfred just had the money to do something about it.

Supposedly that's an urban legend, as he - again supposedly - was never
married. Come to think of it that would explain why the prizes exist!

        Wes







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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 19:30       ` erik quanstrom
  2011-10-13 20:02         ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2011-10-13 21:19         ` Nick LaForge
  2011-10-13 22:57           ` Thomas
  2011-10-24  8:46         ` Akshat Kumar
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Nick LaForge @ 2011-10-13 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

> It is so sad that the people most responsible for the key software
> technologies are almost unheard of by the general public, and most
> credit seems to be given to people that jump on the bandwagon much
> later..

> If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
> the top on my list.

The public's traditional fascination with physics makes an interesting
comparison, considering the relative obscurity computer science
enjoys.

Physics' gifts include nuclear fission, medical imaging, aerospace,
semiconducting... the list is enumerable. Yet the greatest celebrity
among physicists undoubtedly is Albert Einstein, who's contributions
are most significant theoretically (aerospace aside).  So it seems
fitting that a similarly theoretical and precise discipline like
computer science should enjoy comparable status (in opposition to the
actual situation where Gates and Jobs get the glory).  Ironically, the
real reason for mathematics omission by Nobel likely was that Alfred
Nobel thought it TOO theoretical a discipline (see
http://mathforum.org/social/articles/ross.html).  Regardless, it took
people like dmr (and Turing, Church, Shannon, Neumann, Dijkstra,
Backus, Forsythe, Floyd, Hoare, Knuth, ...) to map abstract
mathematical science onto workable machines.

Maybe such a collaborative science doesn't permit hero worship?  Dmr's
own publicly visible accomplishments alone make him worthy of it, yet
his humility was so apparent ("I'm not a person who particularly had
heros when growing up").  Perhaps his behind-the-scenes impact among
his colleagues at Bell Labs eclipse even what everyone else can see.

But it's still sad that among those acquainted with Einstein and his
contributions, less than 1% seem to even know who Turing was.

Nick



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 21:19         ` Nick LaForge
@ 2011-10-13 22:57           ` Thomas
  2011-10-13 23:20             ` Bruce Ellis
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Thomas @ 2011-10-13 22:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

I remember his giving a talk about 5 years ago at the time of his

retirement from Bell Labs. He was delighted that he was now  a

contract employee and no longer had to fill out a

certain form annually and answer a question something like:

"What have you done for Bell Labs this year?"

Free at last.

-Tom West


On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Nick LaForge wrote:

>> It is so sad that the people most responsible for the key software
>> technologies are almost unheard of by the general public, and most
>> credit seems to be given to people that jump on the bandwagon much
>> later..
>
>> If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
>> the top on my list.
>
> The public's traditional fascination with physics makes an interesting
> comparison, considering the relative obscurity computer science
> enjoys.
>
> Physics' gifts include nuclear fission, medical imaging, aerospace,
> semiconducting... the list is enumerable. Yet the greatest celebrity
> among physicists undoubtedly is Albert Einstein, who's contributions
> are most significant theoretically (aerospace aside).  So it seems
> fitting that a similarly theoretical and precise discipline like
> computer science should enjoy comparable status (in opposition to the
> actual situation where Gates and Jobs get the glory).  Ironically, the
> real reason for mathematics omission by Nobel likely was that Alfred
> Nobel thought it TOO theoretical a discipline (see
> http://mathforum.org/social/articles/ross.html).  Regardless, it took
> people like dmr (and Turing, Church, Shannon, Neumann, Dijkstra,
> Backus, Forsythe, Floyd, Hoare, Knuth, ...) to map abstract
> mathematical science onto workable machines.
>
> Maybe such a collaborative science doesn't permit hero worship?  Dmr's
> own publicly visible accomplishments alone make him worthy of it, yet
> his humility was so apparent ("I'm not a person who particularly had
> heros when growing up").  Perhaps his behind-the-scenes impact among
> his colleagues at Bell Labs eclipse even what everyone else can see.
>
> But it's still sad that among those acquainted with Einstein and his
> contributions, less than 1% seem to even know who Turing was.
>
> Nick
>




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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 22:57           ` Thomas
@ 2011-10-13 23:20             ` Bruce Ellis
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2011-10-13 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

The form was colloquially known as the "I Am Great" report.

brucee

On 14 October 2011 09:57, Thomas <twest9@verizon.net> wrote:
> I remember his giving a talk about 5 years ago at the time of his
>
> retirement from Bell Labs. He was delighted that he was now  a
>
> contract employee and no longer had to fill out a
>
> certain form annually and answer a question something like:
>
> "What have you done for Bell Labs this year?"
>
> Free at last.
>
> -Tom West
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Nick LaForge wrote:
>
>>> It is so sad that the people most responsible for the key software
>>> technologies are almost unheard of by the general public, and most
>>> credit seems to be given to people that jump on the bandwagon much
>>> later..
>>
>>> If there was a Nobel prize for software, dmr would have been one of
>>> the top on my list.
>>
>> The public's traditional fascination with physics makes an interesting
>> comparison, considering the relative obscurity computer science
>> enjoys.
>>
>> Physics' gifts include nuclear fission, medical imaging, aerospace,
>> semiconducting... the list is enumerable. Yet the greatest celebrity
>> among physicists undoubtedly is Albert Einstein, who's contributions
>> are most significant theoretically (aerospace aside).  So it seems
>> fitting that a similarly theoretical and precise discipline like
>> computer science should enjoy comparable status (in opposition to the
>> actual situation where Gates and Jobs get the glory).  Ironically, the
>> real reason for mathematics omission by Nobel likely was that Alfred
>> Nobel thought it TOO theoretical a discipline (see
>> http://mathforum.org/social/articles/ross.html).  Regardless, it took
>> people like dmr (and Turing, Church, Shannon, Neumann, Dijkstra,
>> Backus, Forsythe, Floyd, Hoare, Knuth, ...) to map abstract
>> mathematical science onto workable machines.
>>
>> Maybe such a collaborative science doesn't permit hero worship?  Dmr's
>> own publicly visible accomplishments alone make him worthy of it, yet
>> his humility was so apparent ("I'm not a person who particularly had
>> heros when growing up").  Perhaps his behind-the-scenes impact among
>> his colleagues at Bell Labs eclipse even what everyone else can see.
>>
>> But it's still sad that among those acquainted with Einstein and his
>> contributions, less than 1% seem to even know who Turing was.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>
>



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-13 19:30       ` erik quanstrom
  2011-10-13 20:02         ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-10-13 21:19         ` Nick LaForge
@ 2011-10-24  8:46         ` Akshat Kumar
  2011-11-10  9:43           ` Peter A. Cejchan
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Akshat Kumar @ 2011-10-24  8:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

Why a mathematician, in particular? I'd hack off... well, nevermind.

Here's what snopes had to say about it:
http://www.snopes.com/science/nobel.asp

In this case, I'd rewrite the penultimate line:
"Whenever a man's motivations for a course
of action aren't clear, attributing them to
something [mathematical] usually creates
a tale both plausible and entertaining."


ak

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM, erik quanstrom
<quanstro@labs.coraid.com> wrote:
> i'd be a little hacked off if my wife ran off with a mathematician, too.
> alfred just had the money to do something about it.
>
> - erik



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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-10-24  8:46         ` Akshat Kumar
@ 2011-11-10  9:43           ` Peter A. Cejchan
  2011-11-10 12:56             ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-11-10 12:57             ` Wes Kussmaul
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Peter A. Cejchan @ 2011-11-10  9:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Sorry, I didn't manage to record my own version of this song, restn in
peace, Sir....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5LNTTGDKYo

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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-11-10  9:43           ` Peter A. Cejchan
@ 2011-11-10 12:56             ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-11-10 12:57             ` Wes Kussmaul
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2011-11-10 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 10:43 +0100, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> Sorry, I didn't manage to record my own version of this song, restn in
> peace, Sir....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5LNTTGDKYo
>

"This video contains content from Sony ATV Publishing, who has blocked
it in your country on copyright grounds.
Sorry about that."

While we're here, I meant to mention that the Wall Street Journal
article about his life prominently mentioned Plan 9.

Wes Kussmaul





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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-11-10  9:43           ` Peter A. Cejchan
  2011-11-10 12:56             ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2011-11-10 12:57             ` Wes Kussmaul
  2011-11-11  0:10               ` clinton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2011-11-10 12:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 10:43 +0100, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> Sorry, I didn't manage to record my own version of this song, restn in
> peace, Sir....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5LNTTGDKYo
>

"This video contains content from Sony ATV Publishing, who has blocked
it in your country on copyright grounds.
Sorry about that."

While we're here, I meant to mention that the Wall Street Journal
article about his life prominently mentioned Plan 9.

Wes Kussmaul






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* Re: [9fans] Sad News
  2011-11-10 12:57             ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2011-11-11  0:10               ` clinton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: clinton @ 2011-11-11  0:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

I emailed dmr from my comp sci uni email account once and thanked him
for C and UNIX. He replied thanking me for my cheery email. I wish I'd
kept this email or printed it out :( but the sentiment remains: he was
a modest man who even though immensely important had the time to
respond to a second year comp sci student's fan email.



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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 18:32 Sad news Dan Cross
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2020-09-29  8:07 ` Francisco Ballesteros
@ 2020-09-30  8:43 ` Christopher Nielsen
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Nielsen @ 2020-09-30  8:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Thank you for letting us know, Dan. I never had the chance to meet
Andrey, but I always respected his coding and knowledge. He will be
missed greatly.

Deepest condolences to his family and those that knew him better.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:35 AM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
>
> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to let folks know.
>
>         - Dan C.
>
> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink



-- 
Christopher Nielsen
"They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots & tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-29 11:57   ` elbingmiss
@ 2020-09-30  8:20     ` Sergey Zhilkin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Sergey Zhilkin @ 2020-09-30  8:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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Dumn news. :( :( :(
R.I.P.
Condolences to all.

вт, 29 сент. 2020 г. в 14:57, <elbingmiss@gmail.com>:

> Oh no. Condolences to family and friends.
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-- 
С наилучшими пожеланиями
Жилкин Сергей
With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey

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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-29  8:07 ` Francisco Ballesteros
@ 2020-09-29 11:57   ` elbingmiss
  2020-09-30  8:20     ` Sergey Zhilkin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: elbingmiss @ 2020-09-29 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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Oh no. Condolences to family and friends.

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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
@ 2020-09-29  8:14 Steve Simon
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Steve Simon @ 2020-09-29  8:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans


Oh hell, Andrey was a great guy, we had some long chats on IRC back in the day.

I regret losing contact in recent years.

All my best to his family.

-Steve


> On 28 Sep 2020, at 9:39 pm, Don Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
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>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 15:32, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
>> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to let
>> folks know.
>>    - Dan C.
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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 18:32 Sad news Dan Cross
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2020-09-28 21:31 ` Skip Tavakkolian
@ 2020-09-29  8:07 ` Francisco Ballesteros
  2020-09-29 11:57   ` elbingmiss
  2020-09-30  8:43 ` Christopher Nielsen
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Francisco Ballesteros @ 2020-09-29  8:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

Sorry to know that.
What a year.
R.I.P.
He will be missed.


> On 28 Sep 2020, at 20:32, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
> 
> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to let folks know.
> 
>         - Dan C.
> 
> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink


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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-29  3:44   ` Lucio De Re
@ 2020-09-29  8:01     ` enrique.soriano
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: enrique.soriano @ 2020-09-29  8:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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My condolences to his family and friends.

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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 21:31 ` Skip Tavakkolian
@ 2020-09-29  3:44   ` Lucio De Re
  2020-09-29  8:01     ` enrique.soriano
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Lucio De Re @ 2020-09-29  3:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

That is very sad indeed. The 9fans community has lost an irreplaceable member.

Lucio.

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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 18:32 Sad news Dan Cross
  2020-09-28 18:54 ` [9fans] " Gorka Guardiola
  2020-09-28 19:29 ` Federico Benavento
@ 2020-09-28 21:31 ` Skip Tavakkolian
  2020-09-29  3:44   ` Lucio De Re
  2020-09-29  8:07 ` Francisco Ballesteros
  2020-09-30  8:43 ` Christopher Nielsen
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2020-09-28 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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Oh wow! That's a terrible loss, and a very sad day for 9fans, especially
those who had a chance to meet him in person. He was a genuinely good
person.

-Skip

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 11:36 AM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
>
> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to let
> folks know.
>
>         - Dan C.
>
> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options
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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 19:29 ` Federico Benavento
@ 2020-09-28 19:38   ` Don Bailey
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Don Bailey @ 2020-09-28 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:33 PM Federico Benavento <benavento@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Damn, I’m really sad to hear this, I never met him personally, but he was
> always fine guy to talk to.
> My condolences to his family and friends. :(
>
> On 28 Sep 2020, at 15:32, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
>
> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to let
> folks know.
>
>         - Dan C.
>
>
> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions
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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 18:32 Sad news Dan Cross
  2020-09-28 18:54 ` [9fans] " Gorka Guardiola
@ 2020-09-28 19:29 ` Federico Benavento
  2020-09-28 19:38   ` Don Bailey
  2020-09-28 21:31 ` Skip Tavakkolian
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Federico Benavento @ 2020-09-28 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Damn, I’m really sad to hear this, I never met him personally, but he was always fine guy to talk to.
My condolences to his family and friends. :( 

> On 28 Sep 2020, at 15:32, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
> 
> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to let folks know.
> 
>         - Dan C.
> 
> 9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest> / 9fans / see discussions <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription>Permalink <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T89f7af873f4109c5-M18047666342802d775c0f841>

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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 18:54 ` [9fans] " Gorka Guardiola
@ 2020-09-28 19:24   ` Gabriel Díaz López De La Llave
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Gabriel Díaz López De La Llave @ 2020-09-28 19:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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Rest in peace. Very sad news indeed. 

;( ;(


El 28 de septiembre de 2020 20:54:19 CEST, Gorka Guardiola <paurea@gmail.com> escribió:
>Yes, very sad. Condolences to the family.
>
>
>On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:33 Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
>>
>> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to
>let
>> folks know.
>>
>>         - Dan C.
>>
>
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* Re: [9fans] Sad news.
  2020-09-28 18:32 Sad news Dan Cross
@ 2020-09-28 18:54 ` Gorka Guardiola
  2020-09-28 19:24   ` Gabriel Díaz López De La Llave
  2020-09-28 19:29 ` Federico Benavento
                   ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 37+ messages in thread
From: Gorka Guardiola @ 2020-09-28 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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Yes, very sad. Condolences to the family.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:33 Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just got word that Andrey has passed away. :-(
>
> I'm sorry, I don't have any further details right now, but wanted to let
> folks know.
>
>         - Dan C.
>

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