From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160331002329.GB91655@wopr.sciops.net> References: <8637r75ycs.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <20160331002329.GB91655@wopr.sciops.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:58:36 +1300 Message-ID: From: Winston Kodogo To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ede021e289f052f4dc3f4 Subject: Re: [9fans] The Plan 9/"right" way to do Facebook Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8b802fba-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a113ede021e289f052f4dc3f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, that takes me back. I haven't seen a variant of that response in over 10 years. Although "Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Yahoo" in the last one I saw is probably fair comment in the case of what's left of the company formerly known as NZ Telecom. On 31 March 2016 at 13:23, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:40:03PM +0000, > cigar562hfsp952fans@icebubble.org wrote: > > Greetings, 9fans! > > > > Your post advocates a > > (x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante > > approach to social networking. Your idea will not work. Here is why it > won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular > idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state > before a bad federal law was passed.) > > ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses > (x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money > (x) It is defenseless against brute force attacks > (x) Users of Twitter will not put up with it > (x) Facebook will not put up with it > ( ) The police will not put up with it > (x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once > ( ) Many users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential > employers > ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business > > Specifically, your plan fails to account for > > ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it > (x) Lack of centrally controlling authority for social networking > (x) Open relays in foreign countries > (x) Asshats > ( ) Jurisdictional problems > ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of communications > (x) Huge existing software investment in Facebook > (x) Susceptibility of protocols other than HTTP to attack > ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes > (x) Extreme profitability of Facebook > (x) Joe jobs and/or identity theft > (x) Technically illiterate politicians > (x) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Twitter > ( ) Outlook > > and the following philosophical objections may also apply: > > (x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever > been shown practical > ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable > ( ) Blacklists suck > ( ) Whitelists suck > ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored > (x) Why should we have to trust you and your servers? > ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses > ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem > ( ) I don't want the government reading my email > ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough > > Furthermore, this is what I think about you: > > ( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work. > (x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it. > ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your > house down! > > > hth, > khm > > --001a113ede021e289f052f4dc3f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, that takes me back. I haven't seen a variant of = that response in over 10 years. Although "Extreme stupidity on the par= t of people who do business with Yahoo" in the last one I saw is proba= bly fair comment in the case of what's left of the company formerly kno= wn as NZ Telecom.

On 31 March 2016 at 13:23, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> = wrote:
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:40:03PM= +0000, cigar562hfsp95= 2fans@icebubble.org wrote:
> Greetings, 9fans!
>

Your post advocates a

(x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

approach to social networking. Your idea will not work. Here is why it
won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular<= br> idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
(x) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(x) Users of Twitter will not put up with it
(x) Facebook will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
(x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employe= rs
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
(x) Lack of centrally controlling authority for social networking
(x) Open relays in foreign countries
(x) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of communications
(x) Huge existing software investment in Facebook
(x) Susceptibility of protocols other than HTTP to attack
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
(x) Extreme profitability of Facebook
(x) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
(x) Technically illiterate politicians
(x) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Twitter ( ) Outlook

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever bee= n shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
(x) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it= .
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn yo= ur house down!


hth,
khm


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