From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:05:45 +1200 Message-ID: From: Winston Kodogo To: 9fans@9fans.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96369b3a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I'd vote for spelling it Xerox, on the possibly spurious grounds that a Chinese colleague of mine pronounced it "ex-rocks" for some time. I still prefer his pronunciation, and have adopted it myself. The initial "Z" just doesn't work for me. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:14:21 -0600 Message-ID: From: andrew zerger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30667c0d5c052304c1476f0a Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 963cecb0-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf30667c0d5c052304c1476f0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In honor of plan9s utf imperitive, and after a little g-translate I think your Chinese colleague might prefer =E5=A4=8D=E6=9C=AC (fu`ben^) .. which .= . takes up less screen space and to most new users would be about as eas to integrate mentally ;) On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Winston Kodogo wrote: > I'd vote for spelling it Xerox, on the possibly spurious grounds that > a Chinese colleague of mine pronounced it "ex-rocks" for some time. I > still prefer his pronunciation, and have adopted it myself. The > initial "Z" just doesn't work for me. > > --=20 =E2=8E=BC=E2=8E=BA=E2=8E=BA=E2=94=9C@=E2=94=BC=E2=90=8A=E2=94=9C=E2=94=9C= =E2=89=A4-=E2=90=8D=E2=8E=BC=E2=90=8A=E2=96=92=E2=90=8D:/=E2=90=A4=E2=8E=BA= =E2=94=94=E2=90=8A/=E2=8E=BC=E2=90=A4=E2=8E=BA# --20cf30667c0d5c052304c1476f0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In honor of plan9s utf imperitive, and after a little g-translate I think y= our Chinese colleague might prefer =E5=A4=8D=E6=9C=AC (fu`ben^) .. which ..= takes up less screen space and to most new users would be about as eas to = integrate mentally ;)

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Winston Kod= ogo <kodogo@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd vote for spelling it Xerox, on the possibly spurious grounds that a Chinese colleague of mine pronounced it "ex-rocks" for some tim= e. I
still prefer his pronunciation, and have adopted it myself. The
initial "Z" just doesn't work for me.




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--20cf30667c0d5c052304c1476f0a-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:24:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Charles Forsyth To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30780a78e3169904c1479374 Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96438516-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf30780a78e3169904c1479374 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic sense. On 30 May 2012 22:05, Winston Kodogo wrote: > The > initial "Z" just doesn't work for me. > --20cf30780a78e3169904c1479374 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic s= ense.

On 30 May 2012 22:05, Winston Kodo= go <kodogo@gmail.com> wrote:
The
initial "Z" just doesn't work for me.

--20cf30780a78e3169904c1479374-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jason Catena To: 9fans@9fans.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d0b311c0f04c1551251 Subject: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96cd1a56-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --14dae9340d0b311c0f04c1551251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There is a computer science concept analogous to what Zerox does. "Pass argument by reference" also provides a look-in to a point in memory without copying it. So if you want to name it something else, try changing it to CpRef. --14dae9340d0b311c0f04c1551251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

There is a computer science concept analogous to what Zerox does. "Pass argument by reference" also provides a look-in to a point in memory without copying it. So if you want to name it something else, try changing it to CpRef.

--14dae9340d0b311c0f04c1551251-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: dexen deVries To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:35:08 +0200 Message-ID: <7252694.FMRCzxpuLU@coil> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.2 (Linux/3.4.0-rc7-l44; KDE/4.8.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96d18212-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thursday 31 of May 2012 06:30:28 Jason Catena wrote: > There is a computer science concept analogous to what Zerox does. "Pa= ss > argument by reference" also provides a look-in to a point in memory w= ithout > copying it. So if you want to name it something else, try changing it= to > CpRef. +1 also, please provide `call-by-name' in Rc while you are at it ;-) --=20 dexen deVries [[[=E2=86=93][=E2=86=92]]] Weightless and alone you speed through the eerie nothingness of space you circle 'round the Moon and journey back to face the punishing torment of re-entry -- LUNA-C, ``Supaset8 (full release)'', #24m52s From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2ed4adc1382504c15607cd Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96dfcfca-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --047d7b2ed4adc1382504c15607cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic > sense. But I believe Xerox lost that ability, as their name became a verb in the common vernacular. At least I believe I heard that in a marketing class I had in college. That said, it seems people can and will sue for basically anything. I vote we call it "Kevin" as a result. Dave > > On 30 May 2012 22:05, Winston Kodogo wrote: > >> The >> initial "Z" just doesn't work for me. >> > > --047d7b2ed4adc1382504c15607cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Charles= Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic s= ense.

But I believe Xerox lost that ability= , as their name became a verb in the common vernacular. =A0At least I belie= ve I heard that in a marketing class I had in college. =A0

That said, it seems people can and will sue for basical= ly anything. =A0I vote we call it "Kevin" as a result.
=
Dave
=A0

On 30 May 2012 22:05, Winston Kodogo <kodogo@gmail.com> wrot= e:
The
initial "Z" just doesn't work for me.


--047d7b2ed4adc1382504c15607cd-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:50:16 -0600 Message-ID: From: andrey mirtchovski To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96eeadba-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Xerox seems to have missed losing their trademark [1]. There's a lawsuit filed about Google's trademarked name in arizona [2]. A list of genericized trademarks is available at [3]. Ahh, litigation... 1: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c6a7953ef0134851907f7970c-popup 2: http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/man-launches-lawsuit-to-have-googles-trademark-on-its-own-name-undone/ 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:59:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15ac57c2530704c1564fdd Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96f3b382-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --047d7b15ac57c2530704c1564fdd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:50 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > Xerox seems to have missed losing their trademark [1]. There's a > lawsuit filed about Google's trademarked name in arizona [2]. A list > of genericized trademarks is available at [3]. > > Ahh, litigation... > > > Ah well, I never bought that argument myself anyway :-). It had something to do with fair use of things, which honestly, I think we're losing in the United States. Dave --047d7b15ac57c2530704c1564fdd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:50 AM, andrey = mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
Xerox seems to have missed losing their trademark [1]. There's a
lawsuit filed about Google's trademarked name in arizona [2]. A list of genericized trademarks is available at [3].

Ahh, litigation...


=A0
Ah well, I never bought that argume= nt myself anyway :-). =A0It had something to do with fair use of things, wh= ich honestly, I think we're losing in the United States.

Dave=A0


--047d7b15ac57c2530704c1564fdd-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:01:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Calvin Morrison To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96f7ff78-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 31 May 2012 10:39, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Charles Forsyth > wrote: >> >> The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generi= c >> sense. > > > But I believe Xerox lost that ability, as their name became a verb in the > common vernacular. =A0At least I believe I heard that in a marketing clas= s I > had in college. > > That said, it seems people can and will sue for basically anything. =A0I = vote > we call it "Kevin" as a result. > > Dave > >> >> >> On 30 May 2012 22:05, Winston Kodogo wrote: >>> >>> The >>> initial "Z" just doesn't work for me. >> >> > It is better to ask forgiveness than permission - From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) From: Stephen Wiley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:00:30 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96fc5d2a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On May 31, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > It is better to ask forgiveness than permission - > Unless it's from a lawyer! :D From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1338483819.10649.4.camel@wes-HP-Pavilion-g7-Notebook-PC> From: Wes Kussmaul To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:03:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 970f5d4e-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 07:39 -0700, David Leimbach wrote: > I vote we call it "Kevin" as a result. Sell the naming rights! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 02:18:14 +0100 From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20120603021814.5061f9bf@inari.ethans.dre.am> In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Heresy alert Topicbox-Message-UUID: 97a219f4-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, 31 May 2012 06:30:28 -0700 Jason Catena wrote: > There is a computer science concept analogous to what Zerox does. "Pass > argument by reference" also provides a look-in to a point in memory without > copying it. So if you want to name it something else, try changing it to > CpRef. I believe I forgot to +1 a suggestion for "Dup" above. Dup reminds me of dup(2) which I think is a close match. -- This is obviously some strange usage of the word "simple" that I was previously unaware of.