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From: Winston Kodogo <kodogo@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive
Date: Thu,  1 Sep 2016 14:53:45 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFiGbxjneQzkP7q-wL3XgiL5JetPhj_Bf66OXbM+s_44NnfGKg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72f15b81-8550-44f7-9823-87100bd68978@email.android.com>

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Well, the meaning of the word "ilk" has always puzzled me. As in "Sir
Robert Pike of that Ilk". But then I'm not Scottish. Or Scotch, whichever
is correct. Me, I still lend a fraction of an ear to this group in the
increasingly vain hope of learning something.

Personally, I don't use Plan9, or even p9p, to get stuff done. I just like
to look at the code from time to time. I'm with Carmack on Plan9 circa
1997: " It has an achingly elegant internal structure, but a user interface
that has been asleep for the past decade." Add a couple of decades to that.

Also, don't be mean to Skip!

On 1 September 2016 at 09:36, stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:

> Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Steven Stallion <sstallion@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net>
> >wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> >> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> put up or shut up:
> >> >> ...
> >> >> Congratulations on your accomplishments!
> >> >
> >> >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email
> >/n/sources/patch/^(applied
> >> >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l}
> >> >% ck sstallion@gmail.com
> >> >     28
> >> >% ck khm@sciops.net
> >> >      0
> >> >
> >> >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory
> >> >session than for being an incorrigible troll.
> >> >
> >> >Steve
> >>
> >> What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to
> >questions
> >> from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan
> >9
> >> without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't
> >really
> >> referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every.
> >> Single. Time. What is the point?
> >>
> >
> >you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing,
> >system
> >admin or programming.
> >
> >easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured
> >your
> >fs and auth".  adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and
> >/cfg/pxe is
> >as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the
> >same
> >kernel.
> >
> >please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you
> >claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be
> >sufficient.
> >
> >regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked
> >about
> >at IWP9 2010.  i've shared as much detail as i could.
> >
> >
> >> What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply
> >some
> >> the availability of some facility for process migration? You know
> >none
> >> exists.
> >>
> >> The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual
> >> suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or
> >> denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing.
> >First
> >> various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns
> >are
> >> displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9
> >users are
> >> cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever
> >precisely
> >> because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but
> >again, what
> >> is the point?
> >>
> >> How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs?
> >>
> >> My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual
> >> denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney!
> >>
> >> The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality
> >> trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for
> >being Plan
> >> 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of
> >speaking
> >> in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions
> >upon the
> >> sacred world wide web,
> >> bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue.
> >>
> >
> >and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true
> >keepers of
> >the faith, beating back the evildoers.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after
> >> Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt.
> >>
> >> sl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> "your ilk"
>
> What does that mean, exactly, Skip?
>
> http://fqa.9front.org
>
> What I say is that Plan 9 runs on my computer and I use it to do the
> things I use computers for. Documentation of the hows and whys can be found
> at the URL above. 9fans manage to consistently make fun of this idea while
> somehow simultaneously retaining an incredibly easily offended sense of
> ownership over anything mentioned on 9fans since 1993. Which is the real
> you? And why do quips become verboten only after you've contributed the
> quips you wanted to contribute?
>
> It's not so much keeping the flame as it is simply wanting to run the
> software to actually do things, and realizing that waiting for the last
> remaining Bell Labs staff working on Plan 9 to jump ship is a poor strategy
> for keeping the OS alive. We forked, and the OS lives.
>
> Oblique references to a talk given six years ago about a project the
> details of which you can't reveal publicly is a good example of what I'm
> describing in this thread. What does this innuendo illuminate? Who does it
> help? Why even mention it when you can't elaborate? And this is what you
> dangle just over the heads of newbs? How about providing instead actual
> advice on how to get the OS to do something useful?
>
> The best part about your challenge to produce links is that the 9fans web
> archive has been offline for close to a year. People objected when I made
> the claim 9fans quit bothering with Plan 9, but the status quo leans
> farther and farther away from it with each passing year. Alcatel-Lucent had
> to be pestered on Twitter just to get the sources machine back online.
>
> sl
>
>
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-01  2:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-23  0:00 Adriano Verardo
2016-08-23  0:14 ` Winston Kodogo
2016-08-23  0:29   ` Adriano Verardo
2016-08-24  0:53     ` Winston Kodogo
2016-08-24  8:51       ` Adriano Verardo
2016-08-24 11:55         ` Brantley Coile
2016-08-24 13:00           ` Nickolas Peter
2016-08-24 13:10             ` Brantley Coile
2016-08-24 13:54               ` Nickolas Peter
2016-08-26  0:38                 ` Kim Shrier
2016-08-28 23:46                   ` erik quanstrom
2016-08-26 16:28           ` Richard Miller
2016-08-23  0:16 ` Steve Simon
2016-08-23  0:25   ` Adriano Verardo
2016-08-23  2:14 ` Staven
2016-08-23  5:30   ` tlaronde
2016-08-23  6:06     ` Andrew Nazarov
2016-08-23  7:05       ` David Walther
2016-08-23 19:52         ` Kurt H Maier
2016-09-15 10:02           ` David Walther
     [not found]             ` <CAEVxPTMusObVM6YwcbUcbZeEk227Urwefpik7r8ifZRx0ux1pg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <CAEVxPTNNg+LZEXnNLNG68RYui-kb_7AQpTO6ud=pHfSp6d9T5w@mail.gmail.com>
2016-09-15 17:38                 ` Jules Merit
2016-08-23  9:01       ` Costin Chirvasuta
2016-08-23  9:46         ` tlaronde
2016-08-23 11:56           ` hiro
2016-08-23 12:39           ` Adriano Verardo
2016-08-23 14:00             ` Peter Hull
2016-08-23 14:21               ` David du Colombier
2016-08-23 17:52                 ` Don Bailey
2016-08-23 18:06                   ` stanley lieber
2016-08-23 18:11                     ` Brantley Coile
2016-08-23 18:29                       ` stanley lieber
2016-08-23 20:11                         ` Jules Merit
2016-08-28 23:52                         ` erik quanstrom
2016-08-23 18:29                       ` Jules Merit
2016-08-23 19:51                       ` Adriano Verardo
2016-08-23 20:51                       ` Steven Stallion
2016-08-23 21:32                         ` Steve Simon
2016-08-23  7:54   ` Brantley Coile
2016-08-23 19:26 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2016-08-23 19:32   ` stanley lieber
2016-08-28 23:51     ` erik quanstrom
2016-08-30 16:26   ` michaelian ennis
2016-08-30 17:01     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2016-08-30 17:34       ` Kurt H Maier
2016-08-30 18:41       ` Jules Merit
2016-08-30 18:54         ` Eduardo Alvarez
2016-08-30 19:05           ` Jules Merit
2016-08-30 19:36           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2016-08-30 21:41             ` hiro
2016-08-30 21:58               ` Steven Stallion
2016-08-30 22:02                 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-08-30 22:10                   ` Steven Stallion
2016-08-30 22:07                 ` hiro
2016-08-30 22:10             ` Chris McGee
2016-08-30 22:18               ` Eduardo Alvarez
2016-08-30 22:22                 ` Chris McGee
2016-08-30 22:26                   ` cinap_lenrek
2016-08-31  0:51                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2016-08-31  1:35                     ` Chris McGee
2016-08-31  2:08                     ` Winston Kodogo
2016-08-31  2:11                       ` Winston Kodogo
2016-09-15 20:37                         ` Bryan Harris
2016-08-31  3:48                     ` Kurt H Maier
2016-08-31  5:52                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2016-08-31  6:40                         ` Kurt H Maier
2016-08-31  7:58                           ` Brantley Coile
2016-08-31 17:55                           ` Steven Stallion
2016-08-31 18:36                             ` stanley lieber
2016-08-31 20:59                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2016-08-31 21:36                                 ` stanley lieber
2016-09-01  2:53                                   ` Winston Kodogo [this message]
2016-09-01  7:54                                     ` Julius Schmidt
2016-09-01 23:01                                       ` Winston Kodogo
2016-09-01  9:21                                 ` fgergo
2016-08-31 19:03                             ` Kurt H Maier
2016-08-31 14:04                   ` Eduardo Alvarez
     [not found] <741901743.1038803.1471983485978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
2016-08-23 20:18 ` Brian L. Stuart

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