From: Dave MacFarlane <driusan@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Is Plan 9 C "Less Dangerous?"
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:23:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG2UyHosBfnZz3QD_eR3HFBApsf970VkdYQstWGtc+k5zRcf_g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOk9ws1fTVCHWFVk1bcmTiP7DyBm=TD0xPoSnyaYoFtv9EPUWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 22:31 Chris McGee, <newton688@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I believe that the core of the problem with the C language is that is
>> based upon abstracting the PDP-11 instruction set. CPUs, such as Intel/AMD
>> x64 are vastly more complex so "optimising" C compilers are trying to make
>> something simple take advantage of something far more complex. Perhaps we
>> should call them "complexifying" compilers.
>>
>> Generally, model-to-model transformations (which is effectively what
>> compilers do under the covers) are easier to define when we transform from
>> a higher level of abstraction to a lower level of abstraction. As folks in
>> the MBSE field explain it, trying to put a pig together from sausages.
>>
>
> I wonder if the hardware world suffers from some of the same complexity
> problems the software world does. Is it possible to build much simpler
> hardware as well or are there real physical properties that force them to
> be as complex as they are now?
>
Wasn't that the whole point of RISC?
>
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Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-02 16:31 Chris McGee
2018-09-02 16:52 ` hiro
2018-09-03 4:07 ` Lucio De Re
2018-09-03 12:40 ` Chris McGee
2018-09-03 17:58 ` Ethan Gardener
2018-09-04 10:51 ` Lucio De Re
2018-09-04 11:33 ` Ethan Gardener
2018-09-04 11:41 ` Chris McGee
2018-09-02 18:16 ` Lucio De Re
2018-09-02 19:18 ` Steve Simon
2018-09-02 19:21 ` Iruatã Souza
2018-09-03 1:03 ` Charles Forsyth
2018-09-03 2:03 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2018-09-04 23:17 ` Charles Forsyth
2018-09-04 23:30 ` Tyga
2018-09-05 2:29 ` Chris McGee
2018-09-05 11:23 ` Dave MacFarlane [this message]
2018-09-05 11:42 ` Chris McGee
2018-09-05 13:35 ` Ethan Gardener
2018-09-05 15:38 ` Iruatã Souza
2018-09-05 23:59 ` Chris McGee
2018-09-06 0:32 ` Bakul Shah
2018-09-06 3:40 ` Lucio De Re
2018-09-06 11:41 ` Chris McGee
2018-09-06 13:37 ` Ethan Gardener
2018-09-06 17:48 ` Richard Miller
2018-09-06 19:08 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2018-09-06 21:21 ` Chris McGee
2018-09-07 8:32 ` Richard Miller
2018-09-05 3:25 ` Ori Bernstein
2018-09-05 8:19 ` Ethan Gardener
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