* [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
@ 2025-09-07 17:42 resun.saif
2025-09-07 18:06 ` _ resun
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From: resun.saif @ 2025-09-07 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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Hello!
I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
2. run this from cmd
dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
2025-09-07 17:42 [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist resun.saif
@ 2025-09-07 18:06 ` _ resun
2025-09-08 10:53 ` [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does hahahahacker2009
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From: _ resun @ 2025-09-07 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise for
the mistake.
Here's the complete one:
I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host machine
is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
<http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
2. run this from cmd
```
dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
```
Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
<http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was running
after that I got this error:
```
auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
```
Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
```
console=0
# new 9load can figure out bootfile
bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
readparts=
nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
debugboot=1
*nodumpstack=1
*noe820print=1
```
I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the error
that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
What should I do?
Thanks!
_resun
On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>
> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> 2. run this from cmd
>
> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
>
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-07 18:06 ` _ resun
@ 2025-09-08 10:53 ` hahahahacker2009
2025-09-08 15:04 ` _ resun
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: hahahahacker2009 @ 2025-09-08 10:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise for
> the mistake.
>
> Here's the complete one:
>
> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host machine
> is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to manually
set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction is available
on 9legacy's site.
>
> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> 2. run this from cmd
> ```
> dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
> ```
>
> Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
> <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
> 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was running
>
> after that I got this error:
>
> ```
> auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
> ```
> Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
(if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>
> Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
>
> ```
> console=0
>
> # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
>
> readparts=
> nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
>
> debugboot=1
> *nodumpstack=1
> *noe820print=1
> ```
>
> I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the error
> that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
>
> What should I do?
>
> Thanks!
>
> _resun
>
>
> On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
>> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>>
>> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>> 2. run this from cmd
>>
>> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
>>
>>
>>
>> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions
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>> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-08 10:53 ` [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does hahahahacker2009
@ 2025-09-08 15:04 ` _ resun
2025-09-08 17:08 ` _ resun
2025-09-08 18:24 ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: _ resun @ 2025-09-08 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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>
> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to
> manually
> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction is
> available
> on 9legacy's site.
Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal kernel.
What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
Thanks!
_resun
On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise for
> > the mistake.
> >
> > Here's the complete one:
> >
> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
> machine
> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>
> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to
> manually
> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction is
> available
> on 9legacy's site.
>
> >
> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> > 2. run this from cmd
> > ```
> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
> > ```
> >
> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was running
> >
> > after that I got this error:
> >
> > ```
> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
> > ```
> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
>
> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>
> >
> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
> >
> > ```
> > console=0
> >
> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >
> > readparts=
> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >
> > debugboot=1
> > *nodumpstack=1
> > *noe820print=1
> > ```
> >
> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the error
> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
> >
> > What should I do?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _resun
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>
> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >> 2. run this from cmd
> >>
> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> <
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-08 15:04 ` _ resun
@ 2025-09-08 17:08 ` _ resun
2025-09-08 18:24 ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: _ resun @ 2025-09-08 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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well, I tried to provide some random values to `authid:` and following
prompts and this is what I get:
```
Part fosil 204880 3709377
p9part /dev/sdE2/data data
p9part /dev/sdE3/data data
auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
authid: _resun
authdom: resun.local
auth password: resun
secstore password: resun
can't write to nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
usbinit...usbd.../boot/usbd: /dev/usb: no hubs
no /srv/usb...no usb disk..mount usbd...boot: can't open /srv/usb:
'/env/usb' file does not exist
boot: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
not exist
panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
not exist
dumpstack disabled
cpu2: exiting
someone's exiting
someone's exiting
cpu3: exiting
cpu1: exiting
apshutdown: active = 0x00000000
```
It seems that it's related to usb. One thing is, the usb I'm using is 64
GB. But the usb image is written on the usb and the FAT file partition is
just "104,601,600 bytes (99.7MB)". Could the usb stick be an issue?
_resun
On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 21:04, _ resun <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to
>> manually
>> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction
>> is available
>> on 9legacy's site.
>
> Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
>
>
>> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>
>
> It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal kernel.
> What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
>
> Thanks!
>
> _resun
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise for
>> > the mistake.
>> >
>> > Here's the complete one:
>> >
>> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
>> machine
>> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>>
>> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to
>> manually
>> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction
>> is available
>> on 9legacy's site.
>>
>> >
>> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>> > 2. run this from cmd
>> > ```
>> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
>> > ```
>> >
>> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
>> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
>> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was running
>> >
>> > after that I got this error:
>> >
>> > ```
>> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
>> > ```
>> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
>>
>> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>>
>> >
>> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
>> >
>> > ```
>> > console=0
>> >
>> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
>> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
>> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
>> >
>> > readparts=
>> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
>> >
>> > debugboot=1
>> > *nodumpstack=1
>> > *noe820print=1
>> > ```
>> >
>> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the
>> error
>> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
>> >
>> > What should I do?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > _resun
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello!
>> >>
>> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
>> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>> >> 2. run this from cmd
>> >>
>> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions
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>> >> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-08 15:04 ` _ resun
2025-09-08 17:08 ` _ resun
@ 2025-09-08 18:24 ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2025-09-08 23:14 ` Ron Minnich
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Frank D. Engel, Jr. @ 2025-09-08 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with
directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity
over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to
and run programs on).
The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the graphical
interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access the system.
The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a
network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed
primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the
appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if
terminal, server-related services if cpu).
On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
>
> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> on 9legacy's site.
>
> Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
>
> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>
>
> It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal
> kernel. What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
>
> Thanks!
>
> _resun
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely
> apologise for
> > the mistake.
> >
> > Here's the complete one:
> >
> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My
> host machine
> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>
> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> on 9legacy's site.
>
> >
> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> > 2. run this from cmd
> > ```
> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
> > ```
> >
> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was
> running
> >
> > after that I got this error:
> >
> > ```
> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
> > ```
> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
>
> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>
> >
> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
> >
> > ```
> > console=0
> >
> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >
> > readparts=
> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >
> > debugboot=1
> > *nodumpstack=1
> > *noe820print=1
> > ```
> >
> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got
> the error
> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
> >
> > What should I do?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _resun
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>
> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >> 2. run this from cmd
> >>
> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see
> discussions
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> options
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-08 18:24 ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
@ 2025-09-08 23:14 ` Ron Minnich
2025-09-09 4:11 ` ron minnich
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From: Ron Minnich @ 2025-09-08 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram partition?
On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:28 PM Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net> wrote:
>
> In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to and run programs on).
>
> The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the graphical interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access the system.
>
> The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
>
> The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if terminal, server-related services if cpu).
>
>
> On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
>>
>> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to manually
>> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction is available
>> on 9legacy's site.
>
> Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
>
>>
>> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>
>
> It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal kernel. What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
>
> Thanks!
>
> _resun
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise for
>> > the mistake.
>> >
>> > Here's the complete one:
>> >
>> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host machine
>> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>>
>> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to manually
>> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction is available
>> on 9legacy's site.
>>
>> >
>> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>> > 2. run this from cmd
>> > ```
>> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
>> > ```
>> >
>> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
>> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
>> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was running
>> >
>> > after that I got this error:
>> >
>> > ```
>> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
>> > ```
>> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
>>
>> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>>
>> >
>> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
>> >
>> > ```
>> > console=0
>> >
>> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
>> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
>> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
>> >
>> > readparts=
>> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
>> >
>> > debugboot=1
>> > *nodumpstack=1
>> > *noe820print=1
>> > ```
>> >
>> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the error
>> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
>> >
>> > What should I do?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > _resun
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello!
>> >>
>> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
>> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>> >> 2. run this from cmd
>> >>
>> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-08 23:14 ` Ron Minnich
@ 2025-09-09 4:11 ` ron minnich
2025-09-10 15:01 ` _ resun
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2025-09-09 4:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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I am wondering why your bootfile is
bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
and your nvramfile is
sdXX
?
On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
>
> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:28 PM Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with
> directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity
> over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to and
> run programs on).
> >
> > The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the graphical
> interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access the system.
> >
> > The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a
> network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed
> primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
> >
> > The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the
> appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if terminal,
> server-related services if cpu).
> >
> >
> > On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
> >>
> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to
> manually
> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction
> is available
> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >
> > Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
> >
> >>
> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >
> >
> > It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal kernel.
> What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _resun
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise
> for
> >> > the mistake.
> >> >
> >> > Here's the complete one:
> >> >
> >> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
> machine
> >> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>
> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to
> manually
> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction
> is available
> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >> > 2. run this from cmd
> >> > ```
> >> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
> >> > ```
> >> >
> >> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
> >> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
> >> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was running
> >> >
> >> > after that I got this error:
> >> >
> >> > ```
> >> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
> >> > ```
> >> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
> >>
> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
> >> >
> >> > ```
> >> > console=0
> >> >
> >> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> >> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >> >
> >> > readparts=
> >> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >> >
> >> > debugboot=1
> >> > *nodumpstack=1
> >> > *noe820print=1
> >> > ```
> >> >
> >> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the
> error
> >> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
> >> >
> >> > What should I do?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > _resun
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello!
> >> >>
> >> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
> >> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >> >> 2. run this from cmd
> >> >>
> >> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-09 4:11 ` ron minnich
@ 2025-09-10 15:01 ` _ resun
2025-09-10 18:03 ` adventures in9
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From: _ resun @ 2025-09-10 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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Thank you Frank Engel for the explanation. I downloaded the usb Image from
here <https://9p.io/plan9/download.html> and I think it's a cpu kernel as
the plan9.ini looks like this:
```
console=0
# new 9load can figure out bootfile
bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
readparts=
nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
debugboot=1
*nodumpstack=1
*noe820print=1
```
_______________________________________________________________________________
it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
> — Ron Minnich
I couldn't get the first part of it but this is what I see at the end:
```
Part fosil 204880 3709377
p9part /dev/sdE2/data data
p9part /dev/sdE3/data data
auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
authid: _resun
authdom: resun.local
auth password: resun
secstore password: resun
can't write to nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
usbinit...usbd.../boot/usbd: /dev/usb: no hubs
no /srv/usb...no usb disk..mount usbd...boot: can't open /srv/usb:
'/env/usb' file does not exist
boot: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
not exist
panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
not exist
dumpstack disabled
cpu2: exiting
someone's exiting
someone's exiting
cpu3: exiting
cpu1: exiting
apshutdown: active = 0x00000000
```
it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
> — Ron Minnich
That's hard to answer. After writing the usb image to the usb stick I can
only see a fat partition with these files:
```
9LOAD
9PCCPUF.GZ
PLAN9.INI
System Volume Information
```
Is there any way to see other partitions on that usb? There must be a
fossil or other plan9 specific partition.
_______________________________________________________________________________
I am wondering why your bootfile is
> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> and your nvramfile is
> sdXX
> ?
> — ron minnich
I do not know. but according to this script
<http://9legacy.org/9legacy/doc/fossil/usb> from 9legacy that's how it
should be.
_______________________________________________________________________________
New!
I also tried to boot into the USB Image from the 9legacy website
<http://9legacy.org/download.html> but same result.
Thanks!
_resun
On Tue, 9 Sept 2025 at 18:19, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am wondering why your bootfile is
> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> and your nvramfile is
> sdXX
>
> ?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
>
>> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
>>
>> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
>> partition?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:28 PM Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with
>> directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity
>> over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to and
>> run programs on).
>> >
>> > The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the
>> graphical interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access
>> the system.
>> >
>> > The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a
>> network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed
>> primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
>> >
>> > The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the
>> appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if terminal,
>> server-related services if cpu).
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have
>> to manually
>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
>> instruction is available
>> >> on 9legacy's site.
>> >
>> > Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>> >
>> >
>> > It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal kernel.
>> What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > _resun
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise
>> for
>> >> > the mistake.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's the complete one:
>> >> >
>> >> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
>> machine
>> >> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>> >>
>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have
>> to manually
>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
>> instruction is available
>> >> on 9legacy's site.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>> >> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>> >> > 2. run this from cmd
>> >> > ```
>> >> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
>> >> > ```
>> >> >
>> >> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
>> >> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
>> >> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was
>> running
>> >> >
>> >> > after that I got this error:
>> >> >
>> >> > ```
>> >> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
>> >> > ```
>> >> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
>> >>
>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
>> >> >
>> >> > ```
>> >> > console=0
>> >> >
>> >> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
>> >> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
>> >> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
>> >> >
>> >> > readparts=
>> >> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
>> >> >
>> >> > debugboot=1
>> >> > *nodumpstack=1
>> >> > *noe820print=1
>> >> > ```
>> >> >
>> >> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the
>> error
>> >> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
>> >> >
>> >> > What should I do?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> > _resun
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hello!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
>> >> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>> >> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>> >> >> 2. run this from cmd
>> >> >>
>> >> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-10 15:01 ` _ resun
@ 2025-09-10 18:03 ` adventures in9
2025-09-10 19:19 ` _ resun
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From: adventures in9 @ 2025-09-10 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
I'm guessing you pasted the nvram location from some instructions
somewhere, as the sdXX in /dev/sdXX/nvram is not a valid drive. It
would have to be /dev/sdE2/nvram or /dev/sdE3/nvram. Something like
that. sdXX is a commonly used example, but it would be
sd[letter][number] to correspond to a particular drive on your
computer.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:42 AM _ resun <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Frank Engel for the explanation. I downloaded the usb Image from here and I think it's a cpu kernel as the plan9.ini looks like this:
>
> ```
> console=0
>
> # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
>
> readparts=
> nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
>
> debugboot=1
> *nodumpstack=1
> *noe820print=1
> ```
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
>> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
>> — Ron Minnich
>
>
> I couldn't get the first part of it but this is what I see at the end:
> ```
> Part fosil 204880 3709377
> p9part /dev/sdE2/data data
> p9part /dev/sdE3/data data
> auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> authid: _resun
> authdom: resun.local
> auth password: resun
> secstore password: resun
> can't write to nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> usbinit...usbd.../boot/usbd: /dev/usb: no hubs
> no /srv/usb...no usb disk..mount usbd...boot: can't open /srv/usb: '/env/usb' file does not exist
> boot: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
> panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
> panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
> dumpstack disabled
> cpu2: exiting
> someone's exiting
> someone's exiting
> cpu3: exiting
> cpu1: exiting
> apshutdown: active = 0x00000000
> ```
>
>> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram partition?
>> — Ron Minnich
>
>
> That's hard to answer. After writing the usb image to the usb stick I can only see a fat partition with these files:
>
> ```
> 9LOAD
> 9PCCPUF.GZ
> PLAN9.INI
> System Volume Information
> ```
>
> Is there any way to see other partitions on that usb? There must be a fossil or other plan9 specific partition.
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
>> I am wondering why your bootfile is
>> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
>> and your nvramfile is
>> sdXX
>> ?
>> — ron minnich
>
>
> I do not know. but according to this script from 9legacy that's how it should be.
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
> New!
>
> I also tried to boot into the USB Image from the 9legacy website but same result.
>
> Thanks!
>
> _resun
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Sept 2025 at 18:19, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering why your bootfile is
>> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
>> and your nvramfile is
>> sdXX
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
>>>
>>> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram partition?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:28 PM Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to and run programs on).
>>> >
>>> > The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the graphical interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access the system.
>>> >
>>> > The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
>>> >
>>> > The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if terminal, server-related services if cpu).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to manually
>>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction is available
>>> >> on 9legacy's site.
>>> >
>>> > Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal kernel. What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > _resun
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely apologise for
>>> >> > the mistake.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Here's the complete one:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host machine
>>> >> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>>> >>
>>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you have to manually
>>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The instruction is available
>>> >> on 9legacy's site.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>>> >> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>>> >> > 2. run this from cmd
>>> >> > ```
>>> >> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
>>> >> > ```
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
>>> >> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
>>> >> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was running
>>> >> >
>>> >> > after that I got this error:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ```
>>> >> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not exist.
>>> >> > ```
>>> >> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
>>> >>
>>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu kernel
>>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
>>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything yet,
>>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
>>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ```
>>> >> > console=0
>>> >> >
>>> >> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
>>> >> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
>>> >> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
>>> >> >
>>> >> > readparts=
>>> >> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
>>> >> >
>>> >> > debugboot=1
>>> >> > *nodumpstack=1
>>> >> > *noe820print=1
>>> >> > ```
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got the error
>>> >> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What should I do?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > _resun
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hello!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My host
>>> >> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
>>> >> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
>>> >> >> 2. run this from cmd
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-10 18:03 ` adventures in9
@ 2025-09-10 19:19 ` _ resun
2025-09-10 21:33 ` ron minnich
2025-09-11 21:36 ` Zbigniew Radosz
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From: _ resun @ 2025-09-10 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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>
> I'm guessing you pasted the nvram location from some instructions
> somewhere, as the sdXX in /dev/sdXX/nvram is not a valid drive. It
> would have to be /dev/sdE2/nvram or /dev/sdE3/nvram. Something like
> that. sdXX is a commonly used example, but it would be
> sd[letter][number] to correspond to a particular drive on your
> computer.
I did not change anything in the plan9.ini. What's there is what you get
after putting the usb image in the usb stick using dd.
_resun
On Thu, 11 Sept 2025 at 00:29, adventures in9 <adventuresin9@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm guessing you pasted the nvram location from some instructions
> somewhere, as the sdXX in /dev/sdXX/nvram is not a valid drive. It
> would have to be /dev/sdE2/nvram or /dev/sdE3/nvram. Something like
> that. sdXX is a commonly used example, but it would be
> sd[letter][number] to correspond to a particular drive on your
> computer.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:42 AM _ resun <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Frank Engel for the explanation. I downloaded the usb Image
> from here and I think it's a cpu kernel as the plan9.ini looks like this:
> >
> > ```
> > console=0
> >
> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >
> > readparts=
> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >
> > debugboot=1
> > *nodumpstack=1
> > *noe820print=1
> > ```
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
> >> — Ron Minnich
> >
> >
> > I couldn't get the first part of it but this is what I see at the end:
> > ```
> > Part fosil 204880 3709377
> > p9part /dev/sdE2/data data
> > p9part /dev/sdE3/data data
> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> > authid: _resun
> > authdom: resun.local
> > auth password: resun
> > secstore password: resun
> > can't write to nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> > usbinit...usbd.../boot/usbd: /dev/usb: no hubs
> > no /srv/usb...no usb disk..mount usbd...boot: can't open /srv/usb:
> '/env/usb' file does not exist
> > boot: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
> > panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
> not exist
> > panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
> not exist
> > dumpstack disabled
> > cpu2: exiting
> > someone's exiting
> > someone's exiting
> > cpu3: exiting
> > cpu1: exiting
> > apshutdown: active = 0x00000000
> > ```
> >
> >> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
> >> — Ron Minnich
> >
> >
> > That's hard to answer. After writing the usb image to the usb stick I
> can only see a fat partition with these files:
> >
> > ```
> > 9LOAD
> > 9PCCPUF.GZ
> > PLAN9.INI
> > System Volume Information
> > ```
> >
> > Is there any way to see other partitions on that usb? There must be a
> fossil or other plan9 specific partition.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >> I am wondering why your bootfile is
> >> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >> and your nvramfile is
> >> sdXX
> >> ?
> >> — ron minnich
> >
> >
> > I do not know. but according to this script from 9legacy that's how it
> should be.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > New!
> >
> > I also tried to boot into the USB Image from the 9legacy website but
> same result.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _resun
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Sept 2025 at 18:19, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am wondering why your bootfile is
> >> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >> and your nvramfile is
> >> sdXX
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
> >>>
> >>> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:28 PM Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with
> directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity
> over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to and
> run programs on).
> >>> >
> >>> > The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the
> graphical interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access
> the system.
> >>> >
> >>> > The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a
> network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed
> primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
> >>> >
> >>> > The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the
> appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if terminal,
> server-related services if cpu).
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> >>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> >>> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >>> >
> >>> > Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu
> kernel
> >>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything
> yet,
> >>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal
> kernel. What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks!
> >>> >
> >>> > _resun
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely
> apologise for
> >>> >> > the mistake.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Here's the complete one:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My
> host machine
> >>> >> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> >>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> >>> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >>> >> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >>> >> > 2. run this from cmd
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
> >>> >> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
> >>> >> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was
> running
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > after that I got this error:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not
> exist.
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu
> kernel
> >>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything
> yet,
> >>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > console=0
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> >>> >> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >>> >> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > readparts=
> >>> >> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > debugboot=1
> >>> >> > *nodumpstack=1
> >>> >> > *noe820print=1
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got
> the error
> >>> >> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > What should I do?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > _resun
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> Hello!
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My
> host
> >>> >> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >>> >> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >>> >> >> 2. run this from cmd
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see
> discussions
> >>> >> >> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants
> >>> >> >> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery
> options
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-10 18:03 ` adventures in9
2025-09-10 19:19 ` _ resun
@ 2025-09-10 21:33 ` ron minnich
2025-09-11 9:21 ` Steve Simon
2025-09-11 21:36 ` Zbigniew Radosz
2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2025-09-10 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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yeah, that was why I was asking ... the nvram variable, with that sdXX,
looked like it was taken from a doc.
It is worth understanding that plan 9 partitions are very, very
different from what people are used to on unix.
There are the basic partitions, in, e.g., fat you can see them with
unix/windows/osx tools.
the plan 9 partitions are created, in memory, by the diskparts script. See
/rc/bin/diskparts and the echo to /dev/whatever/ctl.
This is actually very nice. It frees you from the limits that come with
certain partition schemes, e.g. 8 partitions, or whatever.
You're not going to see the fossil, nvram, etc. partitions until you run
diskparts.
In early days, IIRC, if you needed to get to the nvram partition before
diskparts got run, you could use the nvroff etc. variables to do a
non-file-system-oriented read to get it.
the nvram partition is kind of a hack anyway; when we had linuxbios-based
plan 9 systems at LANL, we used extended cmos for nvram, not the disk,
because on some of the systems there was no disk.
Somebody can correct me here, but I believe the terminals at Bell Labs,
among other systems, had a true nvram to hold the key.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 11:29 AM adventures in9 <adventuresin9@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm guessing you pasted the nvram location from some instructions
> somewhere, as the sdXX in /dev/sdXX/nvram is not a valid drive. It
> would have to be /dev/sdE2/nvram or /dev/sdE3/nvram. Something like
> that. sdXX is a commonly used example, but it would be
> sd[letter][number] to correspond to a particular drive on your
> computer.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:42 AM _ resun <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Frank Engel for the explanation. I downloaded the usb Image
> from here and I think it's a cpu kernel as the plan9.ini looks like this:
> >
> > ```
> > console=0
> >
> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >
> > readparts=
> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >
> > debugboot=1
> > *nodumpstack=1
> > *noe820print=1
> > ```
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
> >> — Ron Minnich
> >
> >
> > I couldn't get the first part of it but this is what I see at the end:
> > ```
> > Part fosil 204880 3709377
> > p9part /dev/sdE2/data data
> > p9part /dev/sdE3/data data
> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> > authid: _resun
> > authdom: resun.local
> > auth password: resun
> > secstore password: resun
> > can't write to nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> > usbinit...usbd.../boot/usbd: /dev/usb: no hubs
> > no /srv/usb...no usb disk..mount usbd...boot: can't open /srv/usb:
> '/env/usb' file does not exist
> > boot: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
> > panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
> not exist
> > panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
> not exist
> > dumpstack disabled
> > cpu2: exiting
> > someone's exiting
> > someone's exiting
> > cpu3: exiting
> > cpu1: exiting
> > apshutdown: active = 0x00000000
> > ```
> >
> >> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
> >> — Ron Minnich
> >
> >
> > That's hard to answer. After writing the usb image to the usb stick I
> can only see a fat partition with these files:
> >
> > ```
> > 9LOAD
> > 9PCCPUF.GZ
> > PLAN9.INI
> > System Volume Information
> > ```
> >
> > Is there any way to see other partitions on that usb? There must be a
> fossil or other plan9 specific partition.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >> I am wondering why your bootfile is
> >> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >> and your nvramfile is
> >> sdXX
> >> ?
> >> — ron minnich
> >
> >
> > I do not know. but according to this script from 9legacy that's how it
> should be.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > New!
> >
> > I also tried to boot into the USB Image from the 9legacy website but
> same result.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _resun
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Sept 2025 at 18:19, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am wondering why your bootfile is
> >> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >> and your nvramfile is
> >> sdXX
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
> >>>
> >>> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:28 PM Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with
> directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity
> over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to and
> run programs on).
> >>> >
> >>> > The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the
> graphical interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access
> the system.
> >>> >
> >>> > The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a
> network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed
> primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
> >>> >
> >>> > The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the
> appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if terminal,
> server-related services if cpu).
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> >>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> >>> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >>> >
> >>> > Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu
> kernel
> >>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything
> yet,
> >>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal
> kernel. What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks!
> >>> >
> >>> > _resun
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely
> apologise for
> >>> >> > the mistake.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Here's the complete one:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My
> host machine
> >>> >> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> >>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> >>> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >>> >> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >>> >> > 2. run this from cmd
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
> >>> >> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
> >>> >> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was
> running
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > after that I got this error:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not
> exist.
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu
> kernel
> >>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything
> yet,
> >>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > console=0
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> >>> >> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >>> >> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > readparts=
> >>> >> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > debugboot=1
> >>> >> > *nodumpstack=1
> >>> >> > *noe820print=1
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got
> the error
> >>> >> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > What should I do?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > _resun
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> Hello!
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My
> host
> >>> >> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >>> >> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >>> >> >> 2. run this from cmd
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-10 21:33 ` ron minnich
@ 2025-09-11 9:21 ` Steve Simon
2025-09-11 14:56 ` Ron Minnich
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From: Steve Simon @ 2025-09-11 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>Somebody can correct me here, but I believe the terminals at Bell Labs, among other systems, had a true nvram to hold the key
terminals?
but they don’t need a key in nvr, the user types their key in (or, more likely releases it from secstore to factotum). only cpu and auth servers need nvr, unless i am mis-remembering.
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-11 9:21 ` Steve Simon
@ 2025-09-11 14:56 ` Ron Minnich
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From: Ron Minnich @ 2025-09-11 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Steve, that makes sense, by terminals I meant things like blit.
and a cpu server and fs with nvram also makes sense.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 5:12 AM Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
> >Somebody can correct me here, but I believe the terminals at Bell Labs, among other systems, had a true nvram to hold the key
>
> terminals?
> but they don’t need a key in nvr, the user types their key in (or, more likely releases it from secstore to factotum). only cpu and auth servers need nvr, unless i am mis-remembering.
>
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* Re: [9fans] auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does
2025-09-10 18:03 ` adventures in9
2025-09-10 19:19 ` _ resun
2025-09-10 21:33 ` ron minnich
@ 2025-09-11 21:36 ` Zbigniew Radosz
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From: Zbigniew Radosz @ 2025-09-11 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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I believe /dev/sdXX is the actual mountpoint used by partfs.
https://9p.io/magic/man2html/8/partfs
https://9p.io/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/disk/partfs.c
śr., 10 wrz 2025 o 20:29 adventures in9 <adventuresin9@gmail.com>
napisał(a):
> I'm guessing you pasted the nvram location from some instructions
> somewhere, as the sdXX in /dev/sdXX/nvram is not a valid drive. It
> would have to be /dev/sdE2/nvram or /dev/sdE3/nvram. Something like
> that. sdXX is a commonly used example, but it would be
> sd[letter][number] to correspond to a particular drive on your
> computer.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:42 AM _ resun <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Frank Engel for the explanation. I downloaded the usb Image
> from here and I think it's a cpu kernel as the plan9.ini looks like this:
> >
> > ```
> > console=0
> >
> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >
> > readparts=
> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >
> > debugboot=1
> > *nodumpstack=1
> > *noe820print=1
> > ```
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
> >> — Ron Minnich
> >
> >
> > I couldn't get the first part of it but this is what I see at the end:
> > ```
> > Part fosil 204880 3709377
> > p9part /dev/sdE2/data data
> > p9part /dev/sdE3/data data
> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> > authid: _resun
> > authdom: resun.local
> > auth password: resun
> > secstore password: resun
> > can't write to nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist
> > usbinit...usbd.../boot/usbd: /dev/usb: no hubs
> > no /srv/usb...no usb disk..mount usbd...boot: can't open /srv/usb:
> '/env/usb' file does not exist
> > boot: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exist
> > panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
> not exist
> > panic: boot process died: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does
> not exist
> > dumpstack disabled
> > cpu2: exiting
> > someone's exiting
> > someone's exiting
> > cpu3: exiting
> > cpu1: exiting
> > apshutdown: active = 0x00000000
> > ```
> >
> >> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
> >> — Ron Minnich
> >
> >
> > That's hard to answer. After writing the usb image to the usb stick I
> can only see a fat partition with these files:
> >
> > ```
> > 9LOAD
> > 9PCCPUF.GZ
> > PLAN9.INI
> > System Volume Information
> > ```
> >
> > Is there any way to see other partitions on that usb? There must be a
> fossil or other plan9 specific partition.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >> I am wondering why your bootfile is
> >> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >> and your nvramfile is
> >> sdXX
> >> ?
> >> — ron minnich
> >
> >
> > I do not know. but according to this script from 9legacy that's how it
> should be.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > New!
> >
> > I also tried to boot into the USB Image from the 9legacy website but
> same result.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _resun
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Sept 2025 at 18:19, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am wondering why your bootfile is
> >> bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >> and your nvramfile is
> >> sdXX
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> it would be helpful to see all of the boot messages.
> >>>
> >>> it looks like you have a fossil partition, but do you have an nvram
> partition?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:28 PM Frank D. Engel, Jr. <fde101@fjrhome.net>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > In Plan9, a "terminal" is a computer that the user interacts with
> directly, while a "cpu server" is one that provides processing capacity
> over the network (basically a computer that multiple users connect to and
> run programs on).
> >>> >
> >>> > The terminal kernel is optimized for a single user running the
> graphical interface (rio) and sitting in front of that computer to access
> the system.
> >>> >
> >>> > The cpu server kernel is optimized for a server that is sitting in a
> network closet somewhere (or running on a virtual machine) and accessed
> primarily remotely by multiple users simultaneously.
> >>> >
> >>> > The startup scripts respond to the choice of kernel and start the
> appropriate services depending on which one is selected (rio if terminal,
> server-related services if cpu).
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 9/8/25 11:04, _ resun wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> >>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> >>> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >>> >
> >>> > Can you please provide the link of the instructions?
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu
> kernel
> >>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything
> yet,
> >>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > It does not provide any prompt to select cpu kernel or terminal
> kernel. What does the terminal kernel do by the way?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks!
> >>> >
> >>> > _resun
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, 8 Sept 2025 at 17:32, <hahahahacker2009@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > Unfortunately, I posted an incomplete message. I sincerely
> apologise for
> >>> >> > the mistake.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Here's the complete one:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My
> host machine
> >>> >> > is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that the usbdisk image does not contain the installer, you
> have to manually
> >>> >> set up fossil and venti and install on your hard drive. The
> instruction is available
> >>> >> on 9legacy's site.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >>> >> > <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >>> >> > 2. run this from cmd
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > dd if="...\usbdisk" of=\\.\PhysicalDrive3 bs=4M --progress
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Note. dd is dd for windows from here: chrysocome
> >>> >> > <http://www.chrysocome.net/dd>.
> >>> >> > 3. booted into the usb drive in Legacy mode and the loader was
> running
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > after that I got this error:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: 'env/nvroff' file does not
> exist.
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > Then it prompted something related to `authid`.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When you boot into your usb, it will ask you to select the cpu
> kernel
> >>> >> or terminal kernel. you selected the cpu kernel.
> >>> >> On the first boot of the cpu kernel, nvram doesn't have anything
> yet,
> >>> >> the authid prompt is normal, it will write your information to nvram
> >>> >> (if you are interested in booting a cpu kernel)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Here's what my `plan9.ini` looks like:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > console=0
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > # new 9load can figure out bootfile
> >>> >> > bootfile=sdB0!9fat!9pccpuf.gz
> >>> >> > nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdXX/fossil
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > readparts=
> >>> >> > nvram=/dev/sdXX/nvram
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > debugboot=1
> >>> >> > *nodumpstack=1
> >>> >> > *noe820print=1
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I tried setting `nvroff=0` and also `nvrlen=512` and then I got
> the error
> >>> >> > that `/dev/sdXX` does not exists following the `authid` prompt.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > What should I do?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > _resun
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Sun, 7 Sept 2025 at 23:49, <resun.saif@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> Hello!
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I was trying to install Plan9 on my pc using the USB Image. My
> host
> >>> >> >> machine is windows 11. Here's how I made the usb drive:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> 1. Downloaded the USB Disk Image from here
> >>> >> >> <http://9p.io/plan9/download.html>.
> >>> >> >> 2. run this from cmd
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> dd if=C:\path\to\usbdisk of=\\.\PhysicalDrive<N> bs=4M --progress
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
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