[9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Ruslan Khusnullin]

Considering how difficult it is to find a new usb mouse with 3 real
buttons I'm looking for workarounds. I have a Contour Mouse Perfit and
I enjoy it a lot but buying a new Contour Mouse is expensive and very
difficult in terms of shipping when you live in Russia, Contour just
don't ship it.

I see there are few new "touch scroll" mice in stores and one of them
Logitech T400 looks not bad to me. Unfortunately they don't have wired
version but the "touch scroll" feels like a "styled 3rd button".

Did anyone had a chance to test Logitech T400 mouse? Does it's middle
"touch scroll" work as a normal B2? Does it react on soft accidental
touch? Is it configurable?

Thanks in advance.

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Alexander Kapshuk]

I stumbled upon this one a while back. Never used one though. Been
using a two-button mouse with a scroll wheel. Does the job.
 http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/2545791


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Ruslan Khusnullin
<ruslan.khusnullin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Considering how difficult it is to find a new usb mouse with 3 real
> buttons I'm looking for workarounds. I have a Contour Mouse Perfit and
> I enjoy it a lot but buying a new Contour Mouse is expensive and very
> difficult in terms of shipping when you live in Russia, Contour just
> don't ship it.
>
> I see there are few new "touch scroll" mice in stores and one of them
> Logitech T400 looks not bad to me. Unfortunately they don't have wired
> version but the "touch scroll" feels like a "styled 3rd button".
>
> Did anyone had a chance to test Logitech T400 mouse? Does it's middle
> "touch scroll" work as a normal B2? Does it react on soft accidental
> touch? Is it configurable?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Dustin Fechner]

On 02/25/2013 03:06 PM, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> I stumbled upon this one a while back. Never used one though. Been
> using a two-button mouse with a scroll wheel. Does the job.
>  http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/2545791

I bought one of these and after one month of use the buttons began to
misbehave. But well, I guess one can't expect too much for that price.

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and

[Mark van Atten]

On Monday, February 25, 2013 2:38:40 PM UTC+1, Ruslan Khusnullin wrote:

> Considering how difficult it is to find a new usb mouse with 3 real buttons

The HP DY651A is such a mouse and is still available, for example at Amazon. Is that an option for you?

Mark.

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and

[Mark van Atten]

> >  http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/2545791
>
>
>
> I bought one of these and after one month of use the buttons began to
>
> misbehave. But well, I guess one can't expect too much for that price.

I'm sorry to hear that. Did you find an alternative?

I bought my two DY651A's two years ago, and they still function perfectly well.

Mark.

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Jeremy Jackins]

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Off-topic, but..

What works well for me (on a 2 button + scroll wheel mouse) is using my
index finger for both buttons 1 and 2. So if I want to chord 1+2 I press 1,
pressing near the rightmost edge of the button, then sort of roll my finger
to the right a bit which presses down the scroll wheel. It might sound
awkward but it actually works nicely (for me, anyway) on most mice with
scroll wheels.

After getting used to this, using all three fingers for chording actually
feels really inconvenient :)


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Dustin Fechner <dfe@hush.com> wrote:

> On 02/25/2013 03:06 PM, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> > I stumbled upon this one a while back. Never used one though. Been
> > using a two-button mouse with a scroll wheel. Does the job.
> >  http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/2545791
>
> I bought one of these and after one month of use the buttons began to
> misbehave. But well, I guess one can't expect too much for that price.
>
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and

[Dustin Fechner]

On 02/25/2013 03:50 PM, Mark van Atten wrote:
>
>>>  http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/2545791
>>
>> I bought one of these and after one month of use the buttons began to
>> misbehave. But well, I guess one can't expect too much for that price.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that. Did you find an alternative?

Yes. I'm using the Evoluent 3 Rev. 2 since then. I think this mouse is
well known here.

> I bought my two DY651A's two years ago, and they still function perfectly well.

Maybe mine was somehow defect or my clicks were too hard, who knows :)

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Ruslan Khusnullin]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
<alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I stumbled upon this one a while back. Never used one though. Been
> using a two-button mouse with a scroll wheel. Does the job.
Using a mouse with a scroll wheel about 10 hours a day results in pain
in my hand, especially in middle finger. Also using a scroll wheel
needs some additional accuracy and attention for just pushing it and
not scrolling.

>  http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/2545791
I saw this mouse many times and almost bought it but decided to try
Contour Mouse. After trying Contour I don't want to use a mouse of
this classical form, T400 looks a little more comfortable and
ergonomic.

If you will be able to use T400 in real life could you please share
your expirience?

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Ruslan Khusnullin]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Jackins <jeremyjackins@gmail.com> wrote:
> Off-topic, but..
>
> What works well for me (on a 2 button + scroll wheel mouse) is using my
> index finger for both buttons 1 and 2. So if I want to chord 1+2 I press 1,
> pressing near the rightmost edge of the button, then sort of roll my finger
> to the right a bit which presses down the scroll wheel. It might sound
> awkward but it actually works nicely (for me, anyway) on most mice with
> scroll wheels.
>
> After getting used to this, using all three fingers for chording actually
> feels really inconvenient :)
Sounds weird and tricky but I will definitely take a try, thank you! I
had a Logitech M100 mouse with a scroll wheel supporting "horizontal
scroll" so pushing a wheel this way is not possible.
What about B2+B1 chord?

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and

[Ruslan Khusnullin]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark van Atten
<mark.vanatten@univ-paris1.fr> wrote:
> On Monday, February 25, 2013 2:38:40 PM UTC+1, Ruslan Khusnullin wrote:
>
>> Considering how difficult it is to find a new usb mouse with 3 real buttons
>
> The HP DY651A is such a mouse and is still available, for example at Amazon. Is that an option for you?
I doubt it's comfortable for intensive usage. Especially after trying
Contour Mouse. Are you comfortable with it?

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Robert Raschke]

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I've been using one of these:
Lenovo 3 button scrollpoint USB mouse
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/itemdetails/31P7405/460/0E80436C80A748E6AA76791FC42C9CA3

It has been very reliable and comfortable to use.

Robby
On Feb 25, 2013 7:19 PM, "Ruslan Khusnullin" <ruslan.khusnullin@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
> <alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I stumbled upon this one a while back. Never used one though. Been
> > using a two-button mouse with a scroll wheel. Does the job.
> Using a mouse with a scroll wheel about 10 hours a day results in pain
> in my hand, especially in middle finger. Also using a scroll wheel
> needs some additional accuracy and attention for just pushing it and
> not scrolling.
>
> >  http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/2545791
> I saw this mouse many times and almost bought it but decided to try
> Contour Mouse. After trying Contour I don't want to use a mouse of
> this classical form, T400 looks a little more comfortable and
> ergonomic.
>
> If you will be able to use T400 in real life could you please share
> your expirience?
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

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On 25 February 2013 20:24, Ruslan Khusnullin <ruslan.khusnullin@gmail.com>wrote:

> had a Logitech M100 mouse with a scroll wheel supporting "horizontal
> scroll" so pushing a wheel this way is not possible.
> What about B2+B1 chord?
>

It should not be difficult to map the scroll left button to B2. I've done
it in p9p's acme and it's even better than 3 button mice.


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Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Jeremy Jackins]

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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Ruslan Khusnullin <
ruslan.khusnullin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds weird and tricky but I will definitely take a try, thank you! I
> had a Logitech M100 mouse with a scroll wheel supporting "horizontal
> scroll" so pushing a wheel this way is not possible.
> What about B2+B1 chord?
B2+B1 also works fine this way. I'm resting my finger in the crook between
the scroll wheel and B1, and my (not particularly dextrous)  finger doesn't
have any trouble pressing first with it's right edge and then with the rest
of the finger.

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Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and

[Mark van Atten]

> > The HP DY651A is such a mouse and is still available, for example at Amazon. Is that an option for you?
>
> I doubt it's comfortable for intensive usage. Especially after trying
>
> Contour Mouse. Are you comfortable with it?

Yes, especially because it's large and so are my hands.

But should an occasion come up to replace it, I'll be interested to try the Evoluent vertical mouse as well.

Mark.

Re: [9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Holger Sebert]

Hi Ruslan,

This is so awesome!

I was first afraid of breaking something because I needed a
non-trivial amount of force opening the T400 up.

But the casing seems to be very flexible and durable -- a
screw driver did the trick.

My new 'lobotomized' T400 works like a charm.

Thank you for this!!

-Holger

Am 18.06.14 16:37, schrieb Ruslan Khusnullin:
> I posted a question about the mouse in 2013:
>
>> From: Ruslan Khusnullin <ruslan.khusnullin@gma...>
>> Subject: Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:38:40 +0400
>>
>> Considering how difficult it is to find a new usb mouse with 3 real
>> buttons I'm looking for workarounds. I have a Contour Mouse Perfit and
>> I enjoy it a lot but buying a new Contour Mouse is expensive and very
>> difficult in terms of shipping when you live in Russia, Contour just
>> don't ship it.
>>
>> I see there are few new "touch scroll" mice in stores and one of them
>> Logitech T400 looks not bad to me. Unfortunately they don't have wired
>> version but the "touch scroll" feels like a "styled 3rd button".
>>
>> Did anyone had a chance to test Logitech T400 mouse? Does it's middle
>> "touch scroll" work as a normal B2? Does it react on soft accidental
>> touch? Is it configurable?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> And today I'm happy to tell you that I have this mouse working as
> needed.
>
> I bought it, liked that it has "3 buttons", but the sensor "touch
> zone" was distracting, unusual B2 placement and accidental scrolls.
> This mouse has strange buttons arrangement:
>
> O 8 O
>
> Left "O" is B1, right "O" is B3, "8" is touch zone, it really has two
> "buttons", upper zone is "Start menu" (for ms windows 8 os), bottom
> zone is B2.
>
> So it was uncomfortable to make chords. What I wanted is to disable
> "touch zone" (lose scrolling) and have B2 in upper zone instead of
> bottom. For long time I searched for Logitech Unifying protocol
> description, tried to reassign keys, no luck. Then thought that I can
> take mouse firmware, change it somehow and upload fixed firmware back.
> Today I opened the mouse case to look what electronics are in there
> and found that bottom zone of "touch zone" doesn't have a real button,
> there is one button for middle button, mouse just emits another button
> signal when "sees" that press was made on upper zone of "touch zone".
>
> So I just removed cable between "touch zone" and "main part" of mouse
> electronics and voila! Now I have a quite comfortable wireless mouse
> with 3 real buttons that act as good old 3 buttons and no scroll, and
> is still in stocks. I recommend this mouse (with the hack I described)
> to everyone who wants a new mouse with real 3 buttons for Plan 9 and
> Plan9port Acme, Sam, etc. Working fine with 9Pi too.
>
>

[9fans] Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme

[Ruslan Khusnullin]

I posted a question about the mouse in 2013:

> From: Ruslan Khusnullin <ruslan.khusnullin@gma...>
> Subject: Logitech T400 mouse with Plan9 and Plan9port Acme
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:38:40 +0400
>
> Considering how difficult it is to find a new usb mouse with 3 real
> buttons I'm looking for workarounds. I have a Contour Mouse Perfit and
> I enjoy it a lot but buying a new Contour Mouse is expensive and very
> difficult in terms of shipping when you live in Russia, Contour just
> don't ship it.
>
> I see there are few new "touch scroll" mice in stores and one of them
> Logitech T400 looks not bad to me. Unfortunately they don't have wired
> version but the "touch scroll" feels like a "styled 3rd button".
>
> Did anyone had a chance to test Logitech T400 mouse? Does it's middle
> "touch scroll" work as a normal B2? Does it react on soft accidental
> touch? Is it configurable?
>
> Thanks in advance.

And today I'm happy to tell you that I have this mouse working as
needed.

I bought it, liked that it has "3 buttons", but the sensor "touch
zone" was distracting, unusual B2 placement and accidental scrolls.
This mouse has strange buttons arrangement:

O 8 O

Left "O" is B1, right "O" is B3, "8" is touch zone, it really has two
"buttons", upper zone is "Start menu" (for ms windows 8 os), bottom
zone is B2.

So it was uncomfortable to make chords. What I wanted is to disable
"touch zone" (lose scrolling) and have B2 in upper zone instead of
bottom. For long time I searched for Logitech Unifying protocol
description, tried to reassign keys, no luck. Then thought that I can
take mouse firmware, change it somehow and upload fixed firmware back.
Today I opened the mouse case to look what electronics are in there
and found that bottom zone of "touch zone" doesn't have a real button,
there is one button for middle button, mouse just emits another button
signal when "sees" that press was made on upper zone of "touch zone".

So I just removed cable between "touch zone" and "main part" of mouse
electronics and voila! Now I have a quite comfortable wireless mouse
with 3 real buttons that act as good old 3 buttons and no scroll, and
is still in stocks. I recommend this mouse (with the hack I described)
to everyone who wants a new mouse with real 3 buttons for Plan 9 and
Plan9port Acme, Sam, etc. Working fine with 9Pi too.