From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20131223182840.Horde.HuKfFKF2fZoroKVTFstUiw4@ssl.eumx.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rub=E9n_Berenguel?= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:23:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d7cbc1bb27904ee396862 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front Topicbox-Message-UUID: a6e98a2c-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --047d7b6d7cbc1bb27904ee396862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I somewhat agree that some of the answers you are getting have somewhat been (sometimes, not all, and not constantly) been insulting. But a year or so ago I was also a Plan9 newbie, and I just read the manuals when I didn't know how to do something. I followed some long-ago-read advice of first smashing my head against the keyboard before asking the "online guru." And by no means I'm an expert in systems programming, other *nixes or anything beside a small branch of mathematics (and this is fading, since I'm no longer actively researching) and a lot of stuff used in SEO and related areas by constant daily use at work. I have probably read acme(1) and acme(4) more than 70 times in the past year, and probably double that for plumb and plumber (in all of their sections.) And there are still a lot of things I don't understand when interacting with them, just the other day dove into acme's source to answer a question in #plan9 (about what the Abort command does.) Ruben On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Blake McBride wrote: > Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material but > use the documentation as a reminder. It is difficult for a newbie to > differentiate out-of-date material, branch specific material, and valid > documentation. I am providing feedback from a newbie's perspective. You > can either take advantage of some of the feedback to make it easier for a > newbie (that cannot reason) thus increasing the number of users, or you can > insult them until they leave. I apologize for not being as smart as you. > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > >> Quoting Blake McBride : >> >> Or perhaps: >>> >>> echo newuser USER-NAME >>/srv/cwfs.cmd >>> >>> replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. If most commands are in >>> lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that >>> need >>> to be specified. >>> >> >> Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out people who cannot >> reason. >> >> khm >> >> >> > --047d7b6d7cbc1bb27904ee396862 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I somewhat agree that some of the answers you are getting = have somewhat been (sometimes, not all, and not constantly) been insulting.= But a year or so ago I was also a Plan9 newbie, and I just read the manual= s when I didn't know how to do something. I followed some long-ago-read= advice of first smashing my head against the keyboard before asking the &q= uot;online guru." And by no means I'm an expert in systems program= ming, other *nixes or anything beside a small branch of mathematics (and th= is is fading, since I'm no longer actively researching) and a lot of st= uff used in SEO and related areas by constant daily use at work.

=A0I have probably read acme(1) and acme(4) more than 70 tim= es in the past year, and probably double that for plumb and plumber (in all= of their sections.) And there are still a lot of things I don't unders= tand when interacting with them, just the other day dove into acme's so= urce to answer a question in #plan9 (about what the Abort command does.)
Ruben


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Blake McBride <= blake@mcbride.name> wrote:
Documentation is always cle= ar to people who already know the material but use the documentation as a r= eminder. =A0It is difficult for a newbie to differentiate out-of-date mater= ial, branch specific material, and valid documentation. =A0I am providing f= eedback from a newbie's perspective. =A0You can either take advantage o= f some of the feedback to make it easier for a newbie (that cannot reason) = thus increasing the number of users, or you can insult them until they leav= e. =A0I apologize=A0for not being as smart as you.



On Mon, Dec 2= 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
Quoting Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>:

Or perhaps:

echo newuser USER-NAME =A0>>/srv/cwfs= .cmd

replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. =A0If most com= mands are in
lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as thing= s that need
to be specified.

Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out people who cannot<= br> reason.

khm




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