[9fans] might as well ask

[9fans] might as well ask

[Eli Cohen]

I really did not think to just ask on the mailing list, but why not...
is anyone hiring people for anything they can do here who are not that
good at doing anything else?

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Re: [9fans] might as well ask

[Ron Minnich]

I don't know about hiring. But this talk has an interesting
perspective: https://youtu.be/7Yp8Smkznmk?si=9yxeY7eA4ieNvQcL

The presenter mentions that, using the microsoft industrial control
stuff, with its reams of documentation, was actually harder than just
writing code in Plan 9. Some sort of threshold gets crossed on these
systems, where reading a little bit of C is easier than reading a
giant pile of semi-accurate documentation.

So there are companies starting to see that working with a compact,
well-written system, where you have source; can be easier than working
with a gargantuan system which is a large set of binary blobs,
constantly changing in ways that make it hard to understand.

Maybe that's where you want to look.

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 6:03 AM Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I really did not think to just ask on the mailing list, but why not...
> is anyone hiring people for anything they can do here who are not that
> good at doing anything else?

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Re: [9fans] might as well ask

[Eli Cohen]

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oh, yeah, definitely, explain that to them

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025, 4:38 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:

> I don't know about hiring. But this talk has an interesting
> perspective: https://youtu.be/7Yp8Smkznmk?si=9yxeY7eA4ieNvQcL
>
> The presenter mentions that, using the microsoft industrial control
> stuff, with its reams of documentation, was actually harder than just
> writing code in Plan 9. Some sort of threshold gets crossed on these
> systems, where reading a little bit of C is easier than reading a
> giant pile of semi-accurate documentation.
>
> So there are companies starting to see that working with a compact,
> well-written system, where you have source; can be easier than working
> with a gargantuan system which is a large set of binary blobs,
> constantly changing in ways that make it hard to understand.
>
> Maybe that's where you want to look.
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 6:03 AM Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I really did not think to just ask on the mailing list, but why not...
> > is anyone hiring people for anything they can do here who are not that
> > good at doing anything else?

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Re: [9fans] might as well ask

[Eli Cohen]

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thank you, that's a really good idea

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025, 4:41 PM Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:

> oh, yeah, definitely, explain that to them
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2025, 4:38 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
>
>> I don't know about hiring. But this talk has an interesting
>> perspective: https://youtu.be/7Yp8Smkznmk?si=9yxeY7eA4ieNvQcL
>>
>> The presenter mentions that, using the microsoft industrial control
>> stuff, with its reams of documentation, was actually harder than just
>> writing code in Plan 9. Some sort of threshold gets crossed on these
>> systems, where reading a little bit of C is easier than reading a
>> giant pile of semi-accurate documentation.
>>
>> So there are companies starting to see that working with a compact,
>> well-written system, where you have source; can be easier than working
>> with a gargantuan system which is a large set of binary blobs,
>> constantly changing in ways that make it hard to understand.
>>
>> Maybe that's where you want to look.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 6:03 AM Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I really did not think to just ask on the mailing list, but why not...
>> > is anyone hiring people for anything they can do here who are not that
>> > good at doing anything else?

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Re: [9fans] might as well ask

[Eli Cohen]

when someone told me at some point that "Plan 9 is really just a 9P
multiplexer" it made so much more sense... that's what makes it
simple, but also takes a bit to see and understand that, and that part
of the code is always somewhat difficult to understand...

but the entire thing being mostly understandable because of the
simplicity is so good for the engineers...

a professor described to me a design approach of three teams: a group
of engineers who all know what they're making from the engineering
side really well, a group of experts on the topic of what is even
being made, and a group of users testing it all. three distinct groups
that work well together. for Plan 9 as we see it ever, mostly everyone
is in each of the three teams...

a product that is really for something that isn't the engineering
itself would also need a good team of experts on whatever it was for,
and a good team of people who would likely be people who end up using
it

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 4:41 PM Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thank you, that's a really good idea
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2025, 4:41 PM Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> oh, yeah, definitely, explain that to them
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2025, 4:38 PM Ron Minnich <rminnich@p9f.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know about hiring. But this talk has an interesting
>>> perspective: https://youtu.be/7Yp8Smkznmk?si=9yxeY7eA4ieNvQcL
>>>
>>> The presenter mentions that, using the microsoft industrial control
>>> stuff, with its reams of documentation, was actually harder than just
>>> writing code in Plan 9. Some sort of threshold gets crossed on these
>>> systems, where reading a little bit of C is easier than reading a
>>> giant pile of semi-accurate documentation.
>>>
>>> So there are companies starting to see that working with a compact,
>>> well-written system, where you have source; can be easier than working
>>> with a gargantuan system which is a large set of binary blobs,
>>> constantly changing in ways that make it hard to understand.
>>>
>>> Maybe that's where you want to look.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 6:03 AM Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I really did not think to just ask on the mailing list, but why not...
>>> > is anyone hiring people for anything they can do here who are not that
>>> > good at doing anything else?

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