From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50977FDF-8544-41E2-89B7-0369D26C980E@gmail.com> <6D6B26D6-EFC0-4B29-97E7-3DC74A8B1F4C@quintile.net> <56D2E1DC-FA8E-410A-8EBD-7A260AF6FA0B@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:08:58 +1000 Message-ID: From: Prof Brucee To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113c2c3e0cec4d051bc61a74 Subject: Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6330bc5a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a113c2c3e0cec4d051bc61a74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was gonna suggest as per rob's post that chan.c was a good place to check for gcc introduced code. anyone actually going to diff the code or is it all going to be speculation? brucee On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 9:01 PM, steve@quintile.net wrote: > > if there was a way to run apt-get on plan9 and run standard Linux tools, > like Firefox and thunderbird, and gcc then I would be a very happy old > programmer. > > I did some work on extending cinap's amazing linuxemu some years ago but > modern Linux has evolved to the point where even this becomes very painfu= l. > a bsdemu might be easier, but I haven't looked into that. > > just being able to run gcc in arm/thumb cross mode would be great. I know > kenc will build arm but I need to keep source compatibility with the rest > of the team, who use gcc - on windows! > > it is still a battle to keep plan9 running at work, though so far, even i= f > I haven't won, I haven't lost either. > > -Steve > > > > > > On 26 Jul 2015, at 10:35, a.regenfuss@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > Hm, that looks interesting. I like what that they are trying to make > plan 9 a bit > > more accessible by using familiar programs and closing the gap between > modern unix > > and the plan 9 ideas. However, I think I'll rather keep vanilla plan 9 > or 9front > > (rio is still better than X11, sorry). > > But nontheless, it's a great idea and I hope they keep up the great wor= k. > > > > adrian > > > > > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 um 00:15 Uhr > > Von: "Axel Belinfante" > > An: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> > > Betreff: Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9 > > > > I couldn=E2=80=99t resist looking, and found in > http://www.osnews.com/comments/28699 > > > > "Harvey is an effort to get the Plan 9 code working with gcc and clang= =E2=80=9D. > > > > So, in a way it seems to be a port of Plan 9. > > More details, including the feature list below, are at > http://harvey-os.org[http://harvey-os.org] > > > > Features > > > > =E2=80=A2 AMD 64 bit > > =E2=80=A2 Modern, simplified syscall system > > =E2=80=A2 GCC toolchain means you can use gdb(!) > > =E2=80=A2 Compile in Linux or OSX using Harvey's headers and libs, no n= eed to > change anything else > > =E2=80=A2 Fast compilation of the whole system > > =E2=80=A2 All Plan9 userland apps available > > =E2=80=A2 Plans to add X11 with rio-like multiplexing, tty driver, new > fileserver, native toolchain and more > > > > I=E2=80=99m intrigued by the =E2=80=9Ccompile =E2=80=A6 using Harvey's = headers and libs, no need > to change anything else=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 > > I guess that means that it will be easy to =E2=80=9Cport=E2=80=9D stuff= to Harvey? > > > > The team list contains names well-known on this list... > > > > I must say, it looks quite interesting, worth checking out. > > > > Axel. > > > > > > On 25 Jul 2015, at 17:58, Ryan Gonzalez rymg19@gmail.com]> wrote: > > > > No clue. I'm guessing it's heavily inspired by Plan 9. > > > > On July 25, 2015 3:34:13 AM CDT, "steve@quintile.net[steve@quintile.net= ]" > wrote: > > not sure what Harvey is... is it just plan9 ported to build on gcc? > > > > if so does gcc run under Harvey? > > > > does gcc run under plan9 now? > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > On 25 Jul 2015, at 01:43, Ryan Gonzalez rymg19@gmail.com]> wrote: > > > > > https://medium.com/this-is-not-a-monad-tutorial/harvey-an-operating-syste= m-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0b[https://medium.com/this-is-not-a-monad-= tutorial/harvey-an-operating-system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0b] > > > > I'm not affiliated with this whatsoever; I just saw it on Reddit and > found it interesting. > > > > I found this part particularly neat: > > > >> We are working in ANSI POSIX environment to have most of well known > tools and programs that programmers or end users expects to have in a > modern operating system. Things that for traditional Plan 9 would be very > difficult to have. > > > > -- > > Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > > Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > --001a113c2c3e0cec4d051bc61a74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i was gonna suggest as per rob's post that chan.c was = a good place to check for gcc introduced code. anyone actually going to dif= f the code or is it all going to be speculation?

brucee<= /div>

On Sun= , Jul 26, 2015 at 9:01 PM, steve@quin= tile.net <steve@quintile.net> wrote:

if there was a way to run apt-get on plan9 and run standard Linux tools, li= ke Firefox and thunderbird, and gcc then I would be a very happy old progra= mmer.

I did some work on extending cinap's amazing linuxemu some years ago bu= t modern Linux has evolved to the point where even this becomes very painfu= l. a bsdemu might be easier, but I haven't looked into that.

just being able to run gcc in arm/thumb cross mode would be great. I know k= enc will build arm but I need to keep source compatibility with the rest of= the team, who use gcc - on windows!

it is still a battle to keep plan9 running at work, though so far, even if = I haven't won, I haven't lost either.

-Steve




> On 26 Jul 2015, at 10:35, a.rege= nfuss@gmx.de wrote:
>
>
> Hm, that looks interesting. I like what that they are trying to make p= lan 9 a bit
> more accessible by using familiar programs and closing the gap between= modern unix
> and the plan 9 ideas. However, I think I'll rather keep vanilla pl= an 9 or 9front
> (rio is still better than X11, sorry).
> But nontheless, it's a great idea and I hope they keep up the grea= t work.
>
> adrian
>
>
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 um 00:15 Uhr
> Von: "Axel Belinfante" <axel.belinfante@utwente.nl>
> An: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>
> Betreff: Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9 >
> I couldn=E2=80=99t resist looking, and found in http://www.= osnews.com/comments/28699
>
> "Harvey is an effort to get the Plan 9 code working with gcc and = clang=E2=80=9D.
>
> So, in a way it seems to be a port of Plan 9.
> More details, including the feature list below, are at http://harvey-os.org= [= http://harvey-os.org]
>
> Features
>
> =E2=80=A2 AMD 64 bit
> =E2=80=A2 Modern, simplified syscall system
> =E2=80=A2 GCC toolchain means you can use gdb(!)
> =E2=80=A2 Compile in Linux or OSX using Harvey's headers and libs,= no need to change anything else
> =E2=80=A2 Fast compilation of the whole system
> =E2=80=A2 All Plan9 userland apps available
> =E2=80=A2 Plans to add X11 with rio-like multiplexing, tty driver, new= fileserver, native toolchain and more
>
> I=E2=80=99m intrigued by the =E2=80=9Ccompile =E2=80=A6 using Harvey&#= 39;s headers and libs, no need to change anything else=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 > I guess that means that it will be easy to =E2=80=9Cport=E2=80=9D stuf= f to Harvey?
>
> The team list contains names well-known on this list...
>
> I must say, it looks quite interesting, worth checking out.
>
> Axel.
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2015, at 17:58, Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19@gmail.com[rymg19@g= mail.com]> wrote:
>
> No clue. I'm guessing it's heavily inspired by Plan 9.
>
> On July 25, 2015 3:34:13 AM CDT, "steve@quintile.net[steve@q= uintile.net]" <steve@quin= tile.net[steve@quintile.net]&= gt; wrote:
> not sure what Harvey is... is it just plan9 ported to build on gcc? >
> if so does gcc run under Harvey?
>
> does gcc run under plan9 now?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2015, at 01:43, Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19@gmail.com[rymg19@g= mail.com]> wrote:
>
> https://medium.com/this-is-= not-a-monad-tutorial/harvey-an-operating-system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-308141= 4e5f0b[https://medium.com/this-is-not-a-monad-tutorial/harvey-an-operating-= system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0b]
>
> I'm not affiliated with this whatsoever; I just saw it on Reddit a= nd found it interesting.
>
> I found this part particularly neat:
>
>> We are working in ANSI POSIX environment to have most of well know= n tools and programs that programmers or end users expects to have in a mod= ern operating system. Things that for traditional Plan 9 would be very diff= icult to have.
>
> --
> Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> --
> Sent from my Nexus 5 with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


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