Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

[Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com>]

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If this comes across as a troll, keep in mind that it is your
interpretation that makes it so, a lesson we South Africans are still busy
learning, at our country's expense.

I've got Fossil running under 9front; thanks to all those who prodded me
(and others). I would be happier knowing that there is a "canonical"
version rather than at least two varieties as appears to be the case from
the above discussion, but I'd rather not spoil the moment.

My point all along was that if the source (Fossil or other) is not included
in the (9front) distribution, a (bad) decision is being made by arbitrary
(non)contributors for all the silent participants who may not even know
about it. Why would anyone want to play God? Isn't Google bad enough?

I concede that I didn't know myself what I was looking for (I think what
"I" need is for 9legacy to boot, install and possibly run, from a USB stick
on any PC hardware, and support both IDE and SATA where present) and my
rather vague question was intended to make the details less sketchy.
Instead, I got a tirade about what I was or was not ready, willing or able
to contribute. Fortunately, that tends to have the desired effect with me,
so right now I haven't yet recovered my decades of pretty pointless effort,
but I know I can do it, with sufficient application, it is no longer lost
or teetering on edge of the abyss.

As for the cryptography angle, that was an eye opener for sure and for
many, apparently. On my part, I still don't have SSH2 working from my own
Plan 9 "legacy", I haven't been able to shoehorn the right combination of
9legacy patches into it. It is surprising that I haven't broken it entirely
and I know I came close to doing that on occasion. I had a working version
of ssh-agent working smoothly on my system, both for Plan 9 and P9P (both
Linux and NetBSD), but a hardware failure exposed my lack of discipline and
I haven't had the need or fortitude to recover the working "branch" from
Git, that version control is too complicated for me to feel comfortable
with it, I use it only under duress. Now, after suggestions on this forum
that support my impressions, I want to look at bringing "the other Fossil"
on board using PostgreSQL running under NetBSD instead of embedded SQLite.
Don't hold your breath, though.

One more point, but I may raise more later, seeing that there is a claimed
interest in how others use the generic Plan 9 platform: I long ago ported
the OpenLDAP tools to Plan 9 and I continually use them to access remote
directories with them from a scrappy rc shell script. I noted only recently
that the OpenLDAP distribution has an option to build only the tools and
library, which vindicates my approach which happened rather
serendipitously. I need to investigate that further, my version of the tool
I think goes back to 2.3 or thereabouts. Graphviz I have also been unable
to promote past a very early version, but it works quite nicely for my
occasional use of Dot.

Let me point out also that I have paid absolutely no attention to licencing
requirements; where I live the culture remains that of "sanction busting"
from the Apartheid era and IP prosecutions don't seem to occur very often.
I do think that P9F would be kept quite busy assisting those of us that may
need legal advice or assistance and in some respects I think that role
would be beneficial to all of us - including myself - and it seems a role
that P9F is already playing. Just my impression, of course, but earlier
discussion does bring that to mind.

In short: I totally agree with Ian, we are responsible for what and how
gets discussed here.

Lucio.

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 1:20 AM michaelian ennis <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com>
wrote:

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>
> > On May 14, 2024, at 12:07, tlaronde@kergis.com wrote:
> > M
> > This is another illustration of "The Mythical Man-Month".
> 
> There were many lessons from “The Mythical Man Month” that seem glaringly
> missing from management decisions during those days. It was shocking. There
> were other more perplexing oddities too in the decision making process.
> 
> I have much to say about the topic but this is perhaps not the right
> place. Perhaps it is not my place at all.
> 
> The VC years have a cartoonish character to them that seemed to be filled
> with an unlimited supply of “Wait, we’re doing what?” moments. Yes I’m
> looking at you boombox.
> 
> What I think is relevant here is that even the plan9 engineers on
> different coasts seemed to get divided by details not unlike the recent
> discussions’ beginnings. This didn’t help win arguments about product
> direction.
> 
> Then there was me just always bitching about Fred Brooks, or ways in which
> the cli was inconsistent, full of “we should”s and “we shouldn’t”s and
> noticing when I was right in dissent more than when I was wrong. So there’s
> that.
> 
> In some possible universes _that_ Coraid thrived
> but they are not ones where where new voices weren’t heard or old ones
> were ignored.
> 
> The flurries of traffic on this list often seem to have a negative tone to
> me.  It means a lot to me when the conversations are supportive.
> 
> I hope this recent activity continues on as more collaborative
> conversations.  Nobody joins this list who isn’t interested in
> participating somehow.  Let’s not shut them down.
> 
> Ian
> 


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