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From: Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 17:18:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJQ9t7hg3foQ1hK0pJ2BWo=eVN_XVcb2vOPtc=Km-J5oPmZ_Uw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <04a0afc1-6440-47b3-957c-0071ad88b117@posixcafe.org>

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What makes you think I want Fossil back in 9front? I suggested that the
sources could be included in the distribution, so they would not fork-rot
as they are doing presently. It's always been the case that the Plan 9
distribution included "broken" sources that could not be compiled without
external support, but were interesting enough to be published. That changed
some when Alef was dropped and in fact I saved the Alef development stuff
and ported it to 3ed and 4ed because I disagreed with the decision. Note
that I made a sweeping generalisation, for simplicity, much was discarded
between 2ed and 4ed, and I find all that quite regrettable.

I am certain that Cinap had good reasons for removing Fossil, but I'm not
sure you have painted the entire picture for this audience. No matter, of
course, 9front will be what 9front will be.

I'm not going to argue with the semantic subtleties of "bad" as you
interpret it, but I will privately consider your judgement and interpret
your postings with a bias parallel to the one you have displayed toward me
so far.

And I will not go away. Not by choice.

Lucio.

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:37 PM Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org> wrote:

> On 5/15/24 04:02, Lucio De Re wrote:
> > I have asked precisely NOTHING and have only pointed out the
> consequences of omitting sources from the 9front distribution because it
> leads to undesirable divisions.
>
> I'm just trying to correct the misinformation you stated.
> When you call the decision to drop fossil "bad", your email reads as a
> persuasive argument for why things should change.
> I was in turn explaining why this is not happening, and if someone wanted
> that to change what would need to happen.
>
> >
> > I do find it tiresome that you keep ascribing intentions to me that may
> well reflect precisely how YOU would feel and react in my position. I
> assure I am nothing like that and I'm sure my history on 9fans for the past
> 20+ years would reflect that. But then again, people have abandoned 9fans
> in the past for reasons not dissimilar from these; I can read the
> undercurrent ("because you are asking for other people to maintain your
> software for you for free"), I am not impolite enough to respond in kind.
> 
> Are your intentions not to persuade someone in the 9front world that
> fossil is worth adding back to the system?
> 


-- 
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2024-05-08 16:06 [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-08 16:29 ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 19:16   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-08 20:10     ` hiro
2024-05-08 21:52       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-09  9:05         ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 11:05           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-09 14:04             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 16:30               ` kvik
2024-05-09 14:07             ` Lucas Francesco
2024-05-09 14:13               ` ori
2024-05-10 10:58                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-10 13:01                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-10 14:24                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 18:25                   ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:15                     ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 19:34                       ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                         ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:16                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 20:21                             ` Dan Cross
2024-05-12 13:16                             ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? Richard Miller
2024-05-12 13:59                               ` tlaronde
2024-05-12 14:25                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:43                                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 17:09                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:32                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 11:00                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 22:43                                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13 11:41                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:47                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:51                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-13 13:02                                         ` David du Colombier
2024-05-13 13:05                                         ` [9fans] golang dependency on python3 Richard Miller
2024-05-13 14:13                                       ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? hiro
2024-05-12 15:19                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12 18:19                               ` ori
2024-05-12 20:10                                 ` ori
2024-05-13 10:18                                   ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 10:48                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:48                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:06                                       ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 21:15                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-12 18:23                         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-09 10:55         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 16:16           ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 19:08             ` [9fans] fossil Richard Miller
2024-05-09 19:50         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-10  4:44           ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) vic.thacker
2024-05-10  7:33             ` Lallero
2024-05-10  8:47               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-10  9:07                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 10:21                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 11:53                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 12:20                       ` Lallero
2024-05-10 12:38                       ` thedaemon via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:19                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 13:18                       ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:38                       ` kvik
2024-05-10 14:54                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:26                           ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:12                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-11 22:27                               ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:50                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12  0:43                                   ` ori
2024-05-12  2:55                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12  7:19                                       ` plan6
2024-05-12 11:45                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 11:53                                           ` hiro
2024-05-12 11:56                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 12:18                                               ` plan6
2024-05-12 12:41                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-12 13:21                                                     ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:47                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 13:23                                                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-12 15:11                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 15:55                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:56                                                         ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                 ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:09                                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 18:36                                           ` ori
2024-05-13  0:21                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  1:32                                               ` ori
2024-05-13  1:46                                                 ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13  1:56                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:09                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  3:52                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  4:06                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  4:42                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  5:16                                                         ` clinton
2024-05-13  5:33                                                       ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  5:54                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:07                                                           ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  6:14                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:44                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  8:10                                                           ` sirjofri
2024-05-13  8:42                                                             ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:38                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:55                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 12:56                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:59                                                                     ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 21:01                                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 21:17                                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 14:12                                                                       ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:02                                                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 16:30                                                                           ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:39                                                                             ` arnold
2024-05-14 17:54                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-14 18:38                                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 19:05                                                                                 ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 19:44                                                                                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-16 11:51                                                                                     ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 23:19                                                                                   ` michaelian ennis
2024-05-15  4:46                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  5:55                                                                                       ` Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ] vic.thacker
2024-05-15  6:11                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  6:41                                                                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  7:39                                                                                             ` plan6
2024-05-15  9:17                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 10:08                                                                                                 ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 10:35                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 12:04                                                                                                   ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  8:38                                                                                             ` sirjofri
2024-05-15  9:25                                                                                               ` Aleksandar Kuktin
2024-05-15 13:58                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 14:18                                                                                                 ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 14:56                                                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:04                                                                                                     ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                       ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:34                                                                                                         ` Jens Staal
2024-05-15 15:26                                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 14:52                                                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-15 13:29                                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-15  6:04                                                                                       ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  9:02                                                                                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  9:04                                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-15 13:38                                                                                           ` ori
2024-05-15 14:35                                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:18                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                               ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:39                                                                                                 ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 15:53                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:10                                                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:20                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:51                                                                                                         ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:54                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 17:00                                                                                                             ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 17:03                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 17:36                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 18:32                                                                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:06                                                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-15 22:17                                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:38                                                                                                                   ` Steve Simon
2024-05-16  9:17                                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:51                                                                                                     ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:37                                                                                                       ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:45                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 12:58                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:11                                                                                                       ` [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.] Richard Miller
2024-05-17 18:14                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 19:14                                                                                                           ` David du Colombier
2024-05-17 19:45                                                                                                             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-18 13:53                                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-18 14:06                                                                                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-18 14:24                                                                                                                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:52                                                                                                 ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:06                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:13                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:22                                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:28                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:17                                                                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 16:21                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:27                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:28                                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:57                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:19                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:36                                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-14 17:30                                                                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  5:48                                                               ` John the Scott
2024-05-15  9:34                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 13:18                                                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-15 13:46                                                                   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:26                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:30                                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  9:22                                                             ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:56                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:57                                                               ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 10:12                                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:40                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 11:01                                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:26                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 12:08                                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:35                                                                           ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:50                                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:26                                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:32                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-13 14:47                                                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:15                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:12                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13 15:03                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:20                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13  6:01                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:18                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:23                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:55                                                         ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  7:27                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:47                                                             ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  8:00                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:04                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:52                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:13                                                           ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13  2:16                                                 ` clinton
2024-05-13  2:33                                                   ` ori
2024-05-13  2:36                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:02                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:55                                                   ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 10:43                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13  3:45                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  5:45                                                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:04                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:22                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:21                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  6:58                                                       ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:27                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13  1:37                                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  2:53                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:38                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13  9:45                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:56                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:01                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 14:39                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 14:46                                                         ` ori
2024-05-13 15:04                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 15:56                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 16:41                                                             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 17:01                                                             ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13 17:59                                                               ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 18:07                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:45                                                                 ` Matt Wilbur
2024-05-13 18:04                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-17 10:06                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 11:09                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-17 11:11                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:32                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 12:14                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 13:50                                                                       ` Clout Tolstoy
2024-05-17 14:22                                                                         ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:35                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:58                                                                           ` Dave Eckhardt
2024-05-17 15:36                                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:31                                                                     ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:43                                                                       ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:14                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 14:20                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:46                                                                             ` Michael Kerpan
2024-05-17 14:59                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:58                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:59                                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:22                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 17:50                                                                                   ` fig
2024-05-17 18:03                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 20:09                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-17 20:06                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 23:08                                                                                       ` fig
2024-05-17 23:32                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:49                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:48                                                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:12                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 12:47                                                                     ` ori
2024-05-17 15:51                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-18  3:32                                                                       ` vester.thacker
2024-05-18  7:10                                                                         ` sirjofri
2024-05-17 12:26                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:49                                                                 ` Steve Simon
2024-05-17 15:02                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 13:11                                                                 ` hiro
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     [not found]                                         ` <4a1cb1b6-869d-4697-8d63-fd949f6be596@posixcafe.org>
2024-05-12 11:40                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-17 16:23               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-10  8:17           ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-10  8:26             ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-10  8:48               ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:37               ` hiro
2024-05-10 17:09             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11  9:45               ` David du Colombier
2024-05-11 19:51                 ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:04                     ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:08                       ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:29                         ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:58                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2024-05-11 21:03                             ` hiro
2024-05-11 21:14                               ` Skip Tavakkolian

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