Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

[Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com>]

Yoh!

What can I say?

I kind of cherish being so wildly misrepresented. At least I'm taken
seriously, even if totally misunderstood.

Lucio.

On 8/18/21, Keith Gibbs <k@pixelheresy.com> wrote:
> Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of
> calling them out. I never said that. 9front as the official Plan 9 would be
> pretty absurd.
>
> I never said it was *the* development branch. It is *a* development branch.
> I could even imagine that it may in fact be the most popular and active for
> those wishing to develop new software on (with 9miller being very popular as
> well).
>
> If fact, I noted other projects... other Plan 9s as well in my initial and
> my response to Lucio. I was merely pointing out that Lucio in the past and
> in the OAuth thread keeps introducing the idea that the P9F should impose
> order and wall off everything but 9legacy [which he implies is the official
> one], even to the point of arguing in the past that 9front developers should
> port changes that are “good for the community” or some such to the “actual”
> Plan 9.
>
> Instea the charter for P9F's language was written to be inclusive. Why?
> Because historically this mailing list/community has been host to discussion
> for 9legacy, 9atom, 9front, p9p, etc. Even Inferno or Harvey come up
> semi-regularly. As such, it is not outside the general understanding of
> “Plan 9” as encompassing a wider berth. Although many of the P9F folk are
> contributors to 9legacy, I think they know that the community is broader and
> want all of it to be “Plan 9”.
>
> So in the end, I apologise if it was unclear or confusing that I suggested
> to Lucio that 9front was to be "Plan 9 from Bell Labs Version 5”. It was a
> joke and everything I wrote following that should have made that very clear
> that I was arguing *specifically* for a plurality of Plan 9s rather than a
> single one [which Lucio was advocating for]. Lucio seems to hate 9front
> specifically for some reason, so the initial statement was intended as
> tongue in cheek.
>
> Both 9legacy and 9front serve important niche functions within Plan 9 space,
> but neither *are* Plan 9. There is only one “official” Plan 9 and that was
> last updated January 2015. 9legacy positions itself as patch set on top of
> V4, but wants to maintain it in such a way that V4 will always function as
> V4. 9legacy maintains that it is not a fork. 9front says explicitly that it
> is a fork of V4 and a continuation based on it’s core principles. Both have
> fed into each other’s ecosystems. Hell, 9legacy’s site even says to run Plan
> 9 from Bell Labs rather than 9legacy if possible, which is kind of funny.
> And NIX is still active, last I heard, but currently has a closed community,
> not to mention Harvey and Jeanne.
>
> So my main point was that we have a plurality and we *should* continue to
> have a plurality. Much like Lucio would find 9front as being blessed as “the
> official one true Plan 9” repugnant, so too would others re: 9legacy. A fair
> swathe of the Plan 9 enthusiast community want to build and evolve and a
> fair swathe want to preserve and maintain, with some incremental quality of
> life tweaks added in, and *both are totally valid*.
>
> -pixelheresy
>
>> On 18. Aug 2021, at 13.13, vic.thacker@fastmail.fm wrote:
>>
>> Starting from a false premise does not help. 9front is not a development
>> branch of Plan 9. Plan 9 is Plan 9. 9front is 9front. 9front is an
>> open-source fork or derivation of Plan 9.
>>
>> Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm
>> not sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need
>> official recognition. Let 9front be what it is. It can exist independent
>> of the Plan 9 name.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Vester
>>


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