From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19272 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2021 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from tb-ob0.topicbox.com (64.147.108.117) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Feb 2021 03:27:20 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32E71969D for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 22:27:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bounce.mM59dae010f6c9ef6b52216a94.r522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa@9fans.bounce.topicbox.com) Received: by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix, from userid 1132) id B0ED74951A7F; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 22:27:16 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=9fans.net; h=from:to :message-id:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:list-help:list-id:list-post :list-subscribe:reply-to:subject:list-unsubscribe; s=dkim-1; bh= t8akzScddLvS1N8dlJIRfJMTbXmWaWnKG87PPH/fDOU=; b=Qvha/Mrq7RXyJW4o PouJViE3j2b/J76UYaz+29SEBo5+OvJs+uwBftFXc3urfexsAYpqKuHrrNFegKs/ +02vSjZWTYC7gEIIl+ai+kS1vAgiYagrLCwWQykpdgU5pu2M3yuQkMop9ssLi+/o oqFW6zP87OXPgJUtqg8O1n2WuxY= From: "Eli Cohen" To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Message-Id: <16129276310.90eaD8a9c.41601@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 22:27:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="16129276311.831a1.41601" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: dcd19398-6b4f-11eb-a2db-37eb9034e1fa Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NNTlkYWUwMTBmNmM5ZWY2YjUyMjE2?= =?UTF-8?B?YTk0Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: [9fans] patches from 9front List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M59dae010f6c9ef6b52216a94:1:qS2jZeS1-HFak4lzmAdWLQ1wN1Ag97Jn715v8YlIyLU --16129276311.831a1.41601 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 22:27:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintained. I'm t= rying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise from someone (= me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doing it, and if so= , what are priorities for things to port back as patches for 9legacy thank you for Plan 9! - Eli ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M59dae= 010f6c9ef6b52216a94 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --16129276311.831a1.41601 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 22:27:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy a= re not well-maintained. I'm trying to figure out if this would be an ap= preciated exercise from someone (me) who doesn't know all that much and= would learn from doing it, and if so, what are priorities for things to po= rt back as patches for 9legacy

thank you f= or Plan 9!
- Eli
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Tue, 09 Feb 2021 19:37:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:b170:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:37:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <16129276310.90eaD8a9c.41601@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> References: <16129276310.90eaD8a9c.41601@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> From: Lucio De Re Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 05:37:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4f52bb3a-6b51-11eb-93e9-ff1d63e165f0 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NMTE2NDgwY2I5NmQ4ZjZmMWEyYzVk?= =?UTF-8?B?ZTQxPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M116480cb96d8f6f1a2c5de41:1:SAiwxbmNOdA6xvjk8crjdHXsnaYQiCjNKtl359NM2Zc On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintained. I'm > trying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise from someone > (me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doing it, and if > so, what are priorities for things to port back as patches for 9legacy > In short: it's a bitch! I'm sure David will appreciate all the help he can get, but the code divergences will not be easy to tame. I don't like Git, but I also don't think the Plan 9 "dump" is adequate to the task of tracking "branches" as would apply in this complex case. Perhaps I can recommend isolating bug fixes as distinct from adding features, but where does one draw the line? Best of luck, if you intend to proceed. 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Tue, 09 Feb 2021 19:47:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <16129276310.90eaD8a9c.41601@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eli Cohen Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:47:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: b67de16c-6b52-11eb-9f06-a93fd198f8c0 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NZjVlYzhjN2FmNDBhODc2YTBlN2Ez?= =?UTF-8?B?NTk1Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mf5ec8c7af40a876a0e7a3595:1:0xMfiIEIL9vYYM5e8frgvsEQ2Yc3Hkfobv4IRpCGBx0 On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:39 PM Lucio De Re wrote: > > On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > > I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintained. I= 'm > > trying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise from some= one > > (me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doing it, and = if > > so, what are priorities for things to port back as patches for 9legacy > > > In short: it's a bitch! > > I'm sure David will appreciate all the help he can get, but the code > divergences will not be easy to tame. > > I don't like Git, but I also don't think the Plan 9 "dump" is adequate > to the task of tracking "branches" as would apply in this complex > case. > > Perhaps I can recommend isolating bug fixes as distinct from adding > features, but where does one draw the line? 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It's perhaps not the toughest choice, but it's not easy. It does seem to be fairly contained, so you may get away with ring-fencing the changes and actually getting the outcome approved. I would aim at a well documented plan of attack, maybe the community (this community) would be willing, certainly able, to help. Github, perhaps? Lucio. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no slight to the inventor of dp9ik, but has it been verified? On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:48 PM Eli Cohen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:39 PM Lucio De Re wrote: > > > > On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > > > I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintained. > I'm > > > trying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise from > someone > > > (me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doing it, and > if > > > so, what are priorities for things to port back as patches for 9legacy > > > > > In short: it's a bitch! > > > > I'm sure David will appreciate all the help he can get, but the code > > divergences will not be easy to tame. > > > > I don't like Git, but I also don't think the Plan 9 "dump" is adequate > > to the task of tracking "branches" as would apply in this complex > > case. > > > > Perhaps I can recommend isolating bug fixes as distinct from adding > > features, but where does one draw the line? > > I'm not even sure where or how to start. dp9ik seems important if > 9legacy doesn't already have something similar. that's probably both a > bug fix and feature... and quite a task! but I would be interested in > porting patches back to learn more > > > > > Best of luck, if you intend to proceed. > > > > Lucio. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M4857c= 66d4e13e2d25ae337e0 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --00000000000033763a05baf64a3a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
no slight to the inventor of dp9ik, but has it= been verified?


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:48 PM Eli Cohen = <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:=
On Tue, Feb 9= , 2021 at 7:39 PM Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintai= ned. I'm
> > trying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise fro= m someone
> > (me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doin= g it, and if
> > so, what are priorities for things to port back as patches for 9l= egacy
> >
> In short: it's a bitch!
>
> I'm sure David will appreciate all the help he can get, but the co= de
> divergences will not be easy to tame.
>
> I don't like Git, but I also don't think the Plan 9 "dump= " is adequate
> to the task of tracking "branches" as would apply in this co= mplex
> case.
>
> Perhaps I can recommend isolating bug fixes as distinct from adding > features, but where does one draw the line?

I'm not even sure where or how to start. dp9ik seems important if
9legacy doesn't already have something similar. that's probably bot= h a
bug fix and feature... and quite a task! but I would be interested in
porting patches back to learn more

>
> Best of luck, if you intend to proceed.
>
> Lucio.

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This was not too hard but the changes did extend further than I first expec= ted. I could braindump what I did and it would form (I think) a very useful diff. 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identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="ori@eigenstate.org"; helo=mimir.eigenstate.org; client-ip=206.124.132.107 Received: from mimir.eigenstate.org (mimir.eigenstate.org [206.124.132.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:15:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ori@eigenstate.org) Received: from abbatoir.fios-router.home (pool-74-101-2-6.nycmny.fios.verizon.net [74.101.2.6]) by mimir.eigenstate.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 39f7aaf3 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256:NO) for <9fans@9fans.net>; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:15:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:15:28 -0800 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 361a35d4-6bbb-11eb-a8c3-95d9b778c635 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NMWM0ZTZjYmFkZDhmYWZjODZlMjZj?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmMwPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M1c4e6cbadd8fafc86e26cfc0:1:7ccvenhstZYr5drD8RrdOHZixei4tvWA_rVoCyp1BVI Quoth Skip Tavakkolian : > no slight to the inventor of dp9ik, but has it been verified? It's using the SPAKE2 algorithm, which is fairly well analyzed. Here are a few starting points to read about it: https://www.lothar.com/blog/54-spake2-random-elements/ https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-cfrg-spake2-12 https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/104/slides/slides-104-cfrg-pake-selection-= 01.pdf https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/curves/2015/000424.html While code reviews and audits are definitely welcome, it's a significant step forward over current p9sk1 DES keys that can be brute forced in less than a day. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M1c4e6= cbadd8fafc86e26cfc0 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21422 invoked from network); 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I have a few questions already. I have heard that thorough scrutiny of dp9ik would be appreciated as Ori said, and hasn't really been done yet... beyond my capabilities, though. I have explored dp9ik a little bit, another document about it is this writeup: http://felloff.net/usr/cinap_lenrek/newticket.txt a preliminary rough draft roadmap: figure out better how dp9ik is done on 9front (I've looked at this a bit, the key exchange is used for chacha20-poly1305 PSK TLS, then a lot is rc-based, rconnect with tlsclient...) look at how that's different than 9legacy (libsec additions, etc. figure out which parts should be different patches) then make a better roadmap another question already, though a bit early for it... how are 9legacy patches generated? on 9front as far as I know everything is in mercurial and people use hg diff ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M48bee= aa7508450841756161d Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22659 invoked from network); 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helo=mimir.eigenstate.org; client-ip=206.124.132.107 Received: from mimir.eigenstate.org (mimir.eigenstate.org [206.124.132.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:00:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ori@eigenstate.org) Received: from abbatoir.fios-router.home (pool-74-101-2-6.nycmny.fios.verizon.net [74.101.2.6]) by mimir.eigenstate.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id b76c1ebd (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256:NO) for <9fans@9fans.net>; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:00:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5613B71354BCAB5257048AAEBDA7E51B@eigenstate.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:00:20 -0800 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 632883de-6beb-11eb-80eb-8cfb9d47dc22 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NYjdhYTdjYzNhNDFmYjA0MzI1Mjk1?= =?UTF-8?B?YWIzPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mb7aa7cc3a41fb04325295ab3:1:_0F06p87AbqlJ9PDVYMrmQz6r4imHLsAymF0IFB9yjk Quoth Eli Cohen : >=20 > another question already, though a bit early for it... how are 9legacy > patches generated? on 9front as far as I know everything is in > mercurial and people use hg diff patch/create, as far as I know. The question is whether there is anyone willing or able to apply the patch. I tried sending some in at one point, and got silence. 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[66.111.4.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x62sm2539015qkd.1.2021.02.10.14.27.02 for <9fans@9fans.net> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F4327C0054 for <9fans@9fans.net>; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap2 ([10.202.2.52]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:27:02 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrheejgdduheekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttd ertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfffgrvhhiugcuughuucevohhlohhmsghivghrfdcuoedt ihhnthhrohesghhmrghilhdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnheptedtteeutdfhfe ffvdegvdekvdevteduueelffdvlefhjeetieeggfelvedugfeknecuffhomhgrihhnpegs vghllhdqlhgrsghsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomhepughjtgdomhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidq keehkeeiudduhedvqdduledutdehjeehvddqtdhinhhtrhhopeepghhmrghilhdrtghomh essghithgsrdhlth X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3F824A0005E; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:26:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-93-gef6c4048e6-fm-20210128.002-gef6c4048 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <7bd26df9-f2fb-448d-8be0-c23ebda89c56@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5613B71354BCAB5257048AAEBDA7E51B@eigenstate.org> References: <5613B71354BCAB5257048AAEBDA7E51B@eigenstate.org> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 23:26:37 +0100 From: "David du Colombier" <0intro@gmail.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1fd3105a-6bef-11eb-a213-f023b64fde34 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NMTdmYzNiMDhiNTExNTQ0ZTk3MmFi?= =?UTF-8?B?YWYwPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M17fc3b08b511544e972abaf0:1:FZLSeWapoHH23i4YzLA2TOFEJoRO_KE-Tb-rg_sTzdc > > another question already, though a bit early for it... how are 9legacy > > patches generated? on 9front as far as I know everything is in > > mercurial and people use hg diff 9legacy patches are available as "unified diff" format and are generated with "ape/diff -Nru". I tend to prefer ape/diff to patch/create because it includes everything in a single file and can handle file deletions. It's also easier to read without using external tools. > The question is whether there is anyone willing or able to > apply the patch. I tried sending some in at one point, and > got silence. Feel free to ping me again if I missed something you sent me. > Note that the last time I looked on 9legacy, '9fs sources' > still pointed to the bell labs site, so you'd have to patch > 9fs to use the 9p.io mirror if you want to submit a patch. 9legacy includes a patch to 9fs which replaces plan9.bell-labs.com by 9p.io. --=20 David du Colombier ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M17fc3= b08b511544e972abaf0 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12764 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2021 05:49:22 -0000 Received: from tb-ob1.topicbox.com (64.147.108.173) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 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Alright, noted for the future. > Feel free to ping me again if I missed something you sent me. When I got git9 working on 9legacy, I backported a couple of utilities and changes: /n/sources/patch/walk /n/sources/patch/rc-line-split I also noticed that the changes that lufia had done on the github repo have largely gone uncommented: https://github.com/0intro/plan9-contrib/pulls https://github.com/lufia/plan9 > 9legacy includes a patch to 9fs which replaces plan9.bell-labs.com > by 9p.io. >=20 Ah, great -- it's been a while since I tried it. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M8cd20= 0308a5139a6e39d7edc Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25880 invoked from network); 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Wed, 10 Feb 2021 23:24:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:b170:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 23:24:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <155A44744BAB376330DD0F382387969A@eigenstate.org> References: <7bd26df9-f2fb-448d-8be0-c23ebda89c56@www.fastmail.com> <155A44744BAB376330DD0F382387969A@eigenstate.org> From: Lucio De Re Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:24:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 377b2242-6c3a-11eb-85a2-b4153f102fbf Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NMjRlZDJkYzhhNDM1MDdmN2ZiNDE2?= =?UTF-8?B?NWU1Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M24ed2dc8a43507f7fb4165e5:1:lEGfyrS4erVaYE7Skn1EqrCUaeeMYSIZgESQkgb0gKY On 2/11/21, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com>: >> 9legacy patches are available as "unified diff" format and >> are generated with "ape/diff -Nru". > > Alright, noted for the future. > Here's what I' ve been thinking about that may be worth sharing: I'd like to have working 9legacy, 9pi (which I'd like to call 9muller, frankly, if only for clarity, but also because it is what I run on my i386 workstation, not yet the network server), 9atom and last, just to emphasise it is NOT least, 9front. Each of those have useful differences and even though I never really make any progress, I like to think that there is "One plan 9" struggling to be born from these variations. So my question is this: what would be an optimal arrangement to have all of these variation publicly available and reasonably maintained? At worst, as downloadable VM images, at best along the lines of the Go builders, where changes can be tentatively applied and tested? Would the Plan 9 Foundation be interested in proposing to this community that such a concept be pursued and properly maintained and laying down a project path to achieve this objective? Could there be much smaller portions of such an objective that could be progressively achieved in a distributed, centrally managed manner? 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References: <7bd26df9-f2fb-448d-8be0-c23ebda89c56@www.fastmail.com> <155A44744BAB376330DD0F382387969A@eigenstate.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5312bddc-6c47-11eb-93c6-de5b43c9e8b4 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NMTcyMzAxNDY2Y2NlMTY1MDJkY2Qy?= =?UTF-8?B?OTkzPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M172301466cce16502dcd2993:1:d4d8nNGKOS1iE0H9KxCI35LUrVc2S6ryf5jKmA1v2JU On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 09:24:38AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 2/11/21, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Quoth David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com>: > >> 9legacy patches are available as "unified diff" format and > >> are generated with "ape/diff -Nru". > > > > Alright, noted for the future. > > >=20 > Here's what I' ve been thinking about that may be worth sharing: I'd > like to have working 9legacy, 9pi (which I'd like to call 9muller, > frankly, if only for clarity, but also because it is what I run on my > i386 workstation, not yet the network server), 9atom and last, just to > emphasise it is NOT least, 9front. Each of those have useful > differences and even though I never really make any progress, I like > to think that there is "One plan 9" struggling to be born from these > variations. > That would be great. One could even think of a model where there is a common repository for the "common base" (sort of like illumos) and that the current OSes remain with their own identities as "distros" or "spins" from that common base. It is not bad per se that people have differing visions and/or community cultures, and that these can be cultivated in different ways. With a common base/upstream, improvements to one could easily also be implemented by the others. Personally I would love to see a "spin" that takes Sigrid's 9front rio modifications for workspaces and theming and make them default. For me that has become a huge improvement in the UI of Plan9. Hopefully that work will continue and improve further. > Would the Plan 9 Foundation be interested in proposing to this > community that such a concept be pursued and properly maintained and > laying down a project path to achieve this objective? Could there be > much smaller portions of such an objective that could be progressively > achieved in a distributed, centrally managed manner? >=20 Hosting the common base at the foundation would be logical, I think. > Lucio ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M17230= 1466cce16502dcd2993 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 16094 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2021 10:32:01 -0000 Received: from tb-ob0.topicbox.com (64.147.108.117) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Feb 2021 10:32:01 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4906134F01 for ; 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That said, I presume the new syscalls could probably be tucked in the Go runtime. Or is it essential to match everything that Linux does? > if that incident had not happened i'd have now claimed: the one good > thing that comes out of multiple competing plan9 distributions is that > there's a stronger urge to stay backwards compatible, as that will > provide interoperability between all competitors in the long run. > I don't see why that should not remain an objective, although not an exclusive one. What I believe is that shrinking the base system is preferable to expanding it. I'm willing to sacrifice performance for simplicity, no matter what the public gets sold. > gladly the will to sync crucial changes regardless is strong enough, > so i guess it doesn't matter. > It does matter. The need to incorporate many bug fixes from Cinap has been obvious for a long time. But drawing the line between bug fixes and incompatible changes is a responsibility that needs community agreement, even when guided by a "foundation". I think what has kept Plan 9 ticking for the past 25 years or more, is that this community is small enough to keep connected to the "product" in its more abstract sense. Whatever that sense is, it is what we share and, presumably, appreciate, so we ought to preserve it, neh? 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On 2/11/21, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 2/11/21, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I like >>> to think that there is "One plan 9" struggling to be born from these >>> variations. >> >> it there's any "One plan 9" it's clearly called golang. cause all >> added syscalls to any of the distributions came from there... >> > Well, I'd love to catch up on how NetBSD coped with the Golang > demands, their Foundation was, to the best of my knowledge, also run > by "purists". That said, I presume the new syscalls could probably be > tucked in the Go runtime. Or is it essential to match everything that > Linux does? > >> if that incident had not happened i'd have now claimed: the one good >> thing that comes out of multiple competing plan9 distributions is that >> there's a stronger urge to stay backwards compatible, as that will >> provide interoperability between all competitors in the long run. >> > I don't see why that should not remain an objective, although not an > exclusive one. What I believe is that shrinking the base system is > preferable to expanding it. I'm willing to sacrifice performance for > simplicity, no matter what the public gets sold. > >> gladly the will to sync crucial changes regardless is strong enough, >> so i guess it doesn't matter. >> > It does matter. The need to incorporate many bug fixes from Cinap has > been obvious for a long time. But drawing the line between bug fixes > and incompatible changes is a responsibility that needs community > agreement, even when guided by a "foundation". >=20 > I think what has kept Plan 9 ticking for the past 25 years or more, is > that this community is small enough to keep connected to the "product" > in its more abstract sense. Whatever that sense is, it is what we > share and, presumably, appreciate, so we ought to preserve it, neh? >=20 > Lucio. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M204fb= e4b6b220e17613e1c92 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32613 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2021 17:42:18 -0000 Received: from tb-ob0.topicbox.com (64.147.108.117) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Feb 2021 17:42:18 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BAB1AF7F for ; 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Whatever that sense is, it is what we > share and, presumably, appreciate, so we ought to preserve it, neh? Plan 9 is one of my few anchors in this growth-crazy world, and the size and quality of the team that built it, and the community that formed around it, have a lot to do with it I think. Growth beyond the point of sustainability can be very corruptive. 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identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="ori@eigenstate.org"; helo=mimir.eigenstate.org; client-ip=206.124.132.107 Received: from mimir.eigenstate.org (mimir.eigenstate.org [206.124.132.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:21:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ori@eigenstate.org) Received: from abbatoir.fios-router.home (pool-74-101-2-6.nycmny.fios.verizon.net [74.101.2.6]) by mimir.eigenstate.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id bc3f12d2 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256:NO) for <9fans@9fans.net>; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:21:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:21:20 -0800 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: a190fa26-6cd0-11eb-b7d3-82f9f87a88c6 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NNzA2Y2ZjZTE5NWMzZDFiNjUwOTc0?= =?UTF-8?B?NDFkPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M706cfce195c3d1b65097441d:1:hdwmXF-Pt7rKZltn-1BKJmubmaBxbV3vjCcxMgVAEwQ Quoth David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com>: > > When I got git9 working on 9legacy, I backported a couple > > of utilities and changes: > >=20 > > /n/sources/patch/walk > > /n/sources/patch/rc-line-split >=20 > Thanks. I'll review these changes and eventually include > them into 9legacy. Thanks. Feel free to ask questions (or reject them). > Lufia did a lot of interesting stuff on APE. I've not merged > them yet because I wasn't sure how it fits with changes other > people have done on APE. Sure -- but some of them recently turned 2 years old, which I'd personally find rather discouraging. 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Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:55:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:55:42 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004ac1f405bb1ac6c7" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: d58ede94-6cdd-11eb-a903-d69655a260a3 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NMzY0ZWRiNWRlZDQzYTUxZjRmOTlm?= =?UTF-8?B?ZjY2Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M364edb5ded43a51f4f99ff66:1:VxNVcrbR2eP8XoZINi3FHob-rUgQUD0pLQA7U9lu65s --0000000000004ac1f405bb1ac6c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the question of whether a patch is applied to the repo or kept as an optional patch should be: does it benefit everyone without breaking anything, fixes a bug, or enhances security? I use 9p.io as a reference for my setup. I appreciate that David has been judicious with the application of patches to the mainline. On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 5:22 PM wrote: > Quoth David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com>: > > Lufia did a lot of interesting stuff on APE. I've not merged > > them yet because I wasn't sure how it fits with changes other > > people have done on APE. > > Sure -- but some of them recently turned 2 years old, > which I'd personally find rather discouraging. > > This is why I was suggesting that echoline sort out > the way to get changes committed in advance, and if > the people along that way wanted them -- otherwise, > there seems a good chance that the changes would get > stuck in limbo. > > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M364ed= b5ded43a51f4f99ff66 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --0000000000004ac1f405bb1ac6c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the question of= whether a patch is applied to the repo or kept as an optional patch
<= div dir=3D"auto">should be: does it benefit everyone without breaking = anything, fixes a bug, or enhances security?
I use 9p.io as a reference for my setup. I appreciate that David h= as been judicious with the
application of patches to the mai= nline.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 5:2= 2 PM <ori@eigen= state.org> wrote:
Quoth Da= vid du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com>:
> Lufia did a lot of interesting stuff on APE. I've not merged
> them yet because I wasn't sure how it fits with changes other
> people have done on APE.

Sure -- but some of them recently turned 2 years old,
which I'd personally find rather discouraging.

This is why I was suggesting that echoline sort out
the way to get changes committed in advance, and if
the people along that way wanted them -- otherwise,
there seems a good chance that the changes would get
stuck in limbo.

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Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:56:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ed3fe6eedcc2fbbfb8a1c79b9bbf937@nohup.io> To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] 9pi provenance Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:56:45 +0000 From: pouya+lists.9fans@nohup.io In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 66e4cf0c-6d29-11eb-b183-ca7602628399 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UMTYxNzE1MjNmOTVkODY1Ni1NMmQxYjg4MmQ5MzQ0MTczNjEyODM0?= =?UTF-8?B?OTA3Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M2d1b882d9344173612834907:1:l-SUfbaiw2JCZRrYnV0kzehSYPlO1YoY0nWZEMebrfY [9fans@hamnavoe.com] > A couple of people have speculated about what exactly is in the 9pi SD ca= rd image. 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I have a few questions already. I have heard that thorough > scrutiny of dp9ik would be appreciated as Ori said, and hasn't really > been done yet. I'm not sure that's an entirely accurate characterization of what I said. The protocol is still following p9sk1, but with an initial secret derived using a well understood password authenticated key exchange protocol (SPAKE2), and a complete replacement of DES with a modern AEAD cipher (chacha20-poly1305). More scrutiny is *always* welcome, but the algorithm used is well scrutinized outside of plan9, and put together in fairly well understood ways. As far as what exists in p9sk1: It's effectively broken. It was possible to decrypt 56 bit keys on $250,000 hardware in less than a day, back in 1998. Over 20 years ago. By 2006, the cost dropped to $10,000 or so. Today, there are commercial services like crack.sh, which claim 25 seconds for typical unsalted password (that's us!), going up to 3.5 days for a full brute force run. 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I > use 9p.io as a reference for my setup. I appreciate that David > has been judicious with the application of patches to the > mainline. "no" is a fine answer; my complaint is that nobody has said it. Lufia's patch is over 2 years old. Echoline's suggestion to port dp9ik has lead to a valid question on what sort of review dp9ik has had, and then silence. What review would be needed? Who would do it? Would 9legacy prefer to leave passwords brute forcable by default? Any decision would be fine, but from my reading this thread, I don't see one. Instead, there was a long thread about some sort of unified plan 9, without anyone mentioning what they want to unify -- or even discussing differences. No code was mentioned by name, and none appears to be on the way. (As far as I'm aware, I've already cherry picked most relevant plan9port and 9legacy bugfixes into 9front. 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identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de"; helo=oat.nine.sirjofri.de; client-ip=5.45.105.127 Received: from oat.nine.sirjofri.de (oat.nine.sirjofri.de [5.45.105.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:49:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de) Received: from sirjofri.de ([109.41.130.246]) by oat; Fri Feb 12 18:49:01 +0100 2021 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:48:58 +0000 (UTC) From: sirjofri To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <3a43f603-21d5-4d03-aa30-3a8ca4f1b2c4@sirjofri.de> In-Reply-To: <1AB3C85FA8602E158A39115FEDA50BBA@eigenstate.org> References: <1AB3C85FA8602E158A39115FEDA50BBA@eigenstate.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Correlation-ID: <3a43f603-21d5-4d03-aa30-3a8ca4f1b2c4@sirjofri.de> Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9f03f864-6d5a-11eb-a16d-fc59a6721b5e Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NZTFkNzljZmE2ZTE3N2VlMDkwMzMy?= =?UTF-8?B?ZGJiPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Me1d79cfa6e177ee090332dbb:1:wP9wJ9O7MEsFZ6u_F41LX6qIiijA2wtn8eyNFAaATho In my opinion we need some uniform core to maintain some kind of=20 interoperability between different distributions. Authentication and=20 encryption should be one of this core components. 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Note: I'm not volunteering to do the work. I currently don't even have any 9legacy systems. 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Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:46:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:7d17:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:46:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3a43f603-21d5-4d03-aa30-3a8ca4f1b2c4@sirjofri.de> From: Lucio De Re Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:46:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 61cf7662-6d73-11eb-8dba-c58dda5fe479 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NOWUxZTRlMGFhY2RkOTdlNTI4NTgx?= =?UTF-8?B?MmQ5Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M9e1e4e0aacdd97e5285812d9:1:6JAD4muUTuhiGoa0OIaUZr9QAcZN9WtKQ8DFkSctWHs On 2/12/21, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > > The mix of derailing the thread, and the lack of > answer for echoline, who *was* offering to do the > work, but got no answer on whether there's interest, > just rubbed me the wrong way. > It wasn't meant to derail the thread, it was meant to lay down some rules so taking part would not become a competition leading to acrimony. You seem to have a knack for calling a spade a spade and that can be an invaluable contribution, but the fact that we have different objectives needs to be addressed at a philosophical level. How else are we going to select from conflicting alternatives? The "One plan 9" I mentioned would need to shrink rather than grow, on the whole, to retain compatibility. Who is going to offer up anything, if there is no known criterion by which compatibility can be measured and occasionally sacrificed? Ori, I'm sure you enjoy the fruit of your developments and I have no doubt at all that others - me and git9 would be an example - would benefit from your work. But consider my quandary: I have a Plan 9 network on which I have been unable to deploy a version of SSH that makes it possible to interoperate with Git on my work Linux systems of various kinds. My colleagues frown on anything Plan 9 I contribute and I cannot circumvent the development and production Linux systems that we are all familiar with. For my purposes, SSH with capabilities like in 9front needs to run on traditional Plan 9, because my 9front deployment doesn't play well on the equipment I use and much of my Plan 9 commitments date to before 9front was a "thing". I can perpetuate my Plan 9 problem and actually solve my work problems using Linux and, occasionally, NetBSD. I don't want to, though, nor do I want to spend more time on work others have already done. Is that an unreasonable desire? Should I simply feel privileged that I have been able to play with a pointless Plan 9 network, throw away twenty-odd years of Plan 9 experience and simply cross over to the Dark Side, instead, as my colleagues would prefer me to do? 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But consider my quandary: I have a Plan 9 > network on which I have been unable to deploy a version of SSH that > makes it possible to interoperate with Git on my work Linux systems of > various kinds. do you have any details about that? are your linux systems all outdated for some reason that is outside of your control? our ssh client is quite well supported. perhaps make a new thread on 9front ml and include a proper bugreport, if there's something wrong we don't know about i'm sure you can be helped. > My colleagues frown on anything Plan 9 I contribute and I cannot > circumvent the development and production Linux systems that we are > all familiar with. 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Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:05:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:7d17:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:05:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3a43f603-21d5-4d03-aa30-3a8ca4f1b2c4@sirjofri.de> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:05:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96e1c102-6e04-11eb-bfaa-a52fdcaa00d5 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NNzBkODdhMjg1ZDc3YWEyNmIzZTgy?= =?UTF-8?B?MjAyPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M70d87a285d77aa26b3e82202:1:v4ztbJkNSEqpoBuMbXbP5IfhaXGlX_8xoK4M4eYHKD4 On 2/13/21, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > > what is the dark side? for me the borders between plan9 and non-plan9 > has been getting less tight, bec. with more experience i understand > how to translate mindsets, or even code, from one system to the other > without anybody in my real life ever accusing me of having watched too > many ed wood movies. > I have no idea how to counter the belligerence with which more conservative suggestions than accepting 9front as the torch-bearer for the Plan 9 religion are addressed on this forum. Thankfully, it doesn't actually matter that I can't. But the misunderstanding of my use of "dark side" can't go unchallenged. The Dark Side is what drives Linux development, the need to discover new ways in which to make Linux and Gnu software larger and larger, irrespective of whether that leads to greater functionality or merely cosmetic, irrelevant decorations. That's all that I believe needs saying, the details will make for interesting archeology, a few hundred years, if that many, from now. 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I'll test that soon, thanks. 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Thankfully, it > doesn't actually matter that I can't. >=20 > But the misunderstanding of my use of "dark side" can't go > unchallenged. The Dark Side is what drives Linux development, the need > to discover new ways in which to make Linux and Gnu software larger > and larger, irrespective of whether that leads to greater > functionality or merely cosmetic, irrelevant decorations. >=20 > That's all that I believe needs saying, the details will make for > interesting archeology, a few hundred years, if that many, from now. >=20 > Lucio. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-Mf638a= 482326b0954f6fc88fd Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9429 invoked from network); 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I have also been delayed from looking at it very much by other things going on. all I have done so far is look a bit at tlsclient. it seemed like once that supports dp9ik the rest is just simple rc scripts. another note... I have heard someone (moody?) has ported dp9ik tlsclient to unix :) - Eli On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:47 PM wrote: > > Quoth David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com>: > > > When I got git9 working on 9legacy, I backported a couple > > > of utilities and changes: > > > > > > /n/sources/patch/walk > > > /n/sources/patch/rc-line-split > > > > These patches are now part of 9legacy. 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I have also > been delayed from looking at it very much by other things going on. >=20 > all I have done so far is look a bit at tlsclient. it seemed like once > that supports dp9ik the rest is just simple rc scripts. >=20 > another note... I have heard someone (moody?) has ported dp9ik > tlsclient to unix :) >=20 > - Eli Hi, Eli. If you'd get success to port 9front's tlsclient, 9legacy has no gui terminal for amd64, even on vesa mode, then next is to port realemu etc... I like Plan9 by the reason why it's minimulist and file oriented nature,=20 which is maintained and developped further by 9front. I don't know what was occured when 9front was forked, and what kind=20 of antimode against 9front was made from that time... However I admire cinap who keeps 9front usable for a long time. I think he payed much effors! I'd like to ask all the Plan9 developpers to unite the Plan9 into 9front. Kenji PS. 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Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-206-g078a48fda5-fm-20210226.001-g078a48fd Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <32cefbfb-6a63-40fb-9230-98f90447ca75@www.fastmail.com> References: <32cefbfb-6a63-40fb-9230-98f90447ca75@www.fastmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:38:52 +0100 From: "David du Colombier" To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 381c62ba-8a53-11eb-9350-e440a51bf47a Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NYjRmMzZlNWRkMzIxNzBlMmIxZGRh?= =?UTF-8?B?OTBiPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mb4f36e5dd32170e2b1dda90b:1:8PMCdDUdc-plSB_Q4I14G1oh1y7TmWL0gIVYA-LBCGM > > If you'd get success to port 9front's tlsclient, 9legacy has no gui ter= minal > > for amd64, even on vesa mode, then next is to port realemu etc... >=20 > 9legacy amd64 kernel supports graphical terminal, but it doesn't > indeed support VESA yet. Implementing realemu into 9k would be nice. I've just checked and 9legacy already supports VESA graphics on amd64, using aux/realemu (started automatically when monitor=3Dvesa). --=20 David du Colombier ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-Mb4f36= e5dd32170e2b1dda90b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription