From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25088 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2021 14:06:01 -0000 Received: from tb-ob1.topicbox.com (64.147.108.173) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Feb 2021 14:06:01 -0000 Received: from tb-mx1.topicbox.com (tb-mx1.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.61]) by tb-ob1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0951E71B for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:06:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bounce.mM70d87a285d77aa26b3e82202.r522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa@9fans.bounce.topicbox.com) Received: by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Postfix, from userid 1132) id 0766B17FCDC8; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:06:00 -0500 (EST) ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; topicbox.com; arc=pass; dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=IX9rxhYX header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20161025 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lucio.dere@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-lf1-f42.google.com; x-internal-arc=fail (as.1.topicbox.com=pass, ams.1.topicbox.com=fail (body has been altered)) (Message modified while forwarding at Topicbox) ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= topicbox.com; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:list-help:list-id:list-post :list-subscribe:reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :list-unsubscribe; s=sysmsg-1; t=1613225159; bh=yiAV3FDcgOj26Wob /BZM3gxnuuaebSxOiFXRlEMVeA0=; b=m0F2k9wummHSTT+ZnhvqBzjwo86QSOuy yhw68LDW0k8JwUO35JaPNClsVgY4uQQtcQo1EMNkYQ41ougbQ0QNMdEg186Wi8ol wkTG2BjmIsD22SehRZwUcXq47nNVoO8UTPnVE220NZKolgyQtZ6PxczPC7m4itBs jS4Wzw3VRqY= ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; cv=pass; d=topicbox.com; s=sysmsg-1; t= 1613225159; b=OusBVvwj5YEkx1v4tuxVMveckEpWftZC2U3f+3Cd1o1Pg/qGfF NHcIxK4BHah9FrshmmNkSkY08fhzBvtwWHQl9GHWe5mK4znPLxDKd6p9NHvnK+9o Ivu0SHRN3eu50+mjAm0kE/25e7iJYlsHTvlMffagkTbio8MQTJuTvLJlg= Authentication-Results: topicbox.com; arc=pass; dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=IX9rxhYX header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20161025 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lucio.dere@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-lf1-f42.google.com; x-internal-arc=fail (as.1.topicbox.com=pass, ams.1.topicbox.com=fail (body has been altered)) (Message modified while forwarding at Topicbox) X-Received-Authentication-Results: tb-mx0.topicbox.com; arc=none (no signatures found); bimi=skipped (DMARC Policy is not at enforcement); dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=IX9rxhYX header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20161025 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; iprev=pass smtp.remote-ip=209.85.167.42 (mail-lf1-f42.google.com); spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lucio.dere@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-lf1-f42.google.com; x-aligned-from=pass (Address match); x-google-dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key) header.d=1e100.net header.i=@1e100.net header.b=PjLQ35+F; x-me-sender=none; x-ptr=pass smtp.helo=mail-lf1-f42.google.com policy.ptr=mail-lf1-f42.google.com; x-return-mx=pass header.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-return-mx=pass smtp.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-tls=pass smtp.version=TLSv1.2 smtp.cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 smtp.bits=256/256; x-vs=clean score=0 state=0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=9fans.net; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject :to:content-type:list-help:list-id:list-post:list-subscribe :reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:list-unsubscribe; s=dkim-1; bh=yiAV3FDcgOj26Wob/BZM3gxnuuaebSxOiFXRlEMVeA0=; b=jDLjA1Sxy23s QGfxYdl28Td8271WG+fSCTfOLGdx6oEfhqH5cMsBpJqTcU/y/If3F/Mgsnp/92kR PhFACiQJaYi44u/89oNla2rgLxFLfxK/N5UZgupINXGklZjyMtAMD5l8uEpZhRFH aFo/b0dnkakvj8+vSwRayRLYtFA/Zmw= Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (localhost.local [127.0.0.1]) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2E316F961A for <9fans@9fans.net>; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:05:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lucio.dere@gmail.com) Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Authentication Milter) with ESMTP id 6471ED7F5F5; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:05:50 -0500 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; d=topicbox.com; s=arcseal; t= 1613225150; b=nfxvfbONuazgTtHRYJuyGwu/8EZxthLtZEZx+B4W8295Goxuwk HOiXv7qDJKVNMFlqW1OFoQ0kYksgK74gFyBasYmwVk7ZJrMH5EjE0xqbohvpX2aM Wo/MT1GC5yk7POpEa9/m1LAwGJOaSuZYTqkuKnkYwAA0Rs43s5dosVRE2ix42vLY 39DqdCUdSTE4trNAmNOAIGaMVhnN5O0YBcb462xRm8upSRSoa81h15PESnsJ8c7g ElIrWbpLW2/STmjV4mtJjSr+gttlLnFO+DfIDR19Hc9ojgMdbPuVxQC9RpXa+Vht TGYUzbtucbQSTKd+p1P9v4ki7ZlGfa8cb8Lg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= topicbox.com; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; s=arcseal; t=1613225150; bh=N39KW5ok0uM0NmRBMZJ1Uj7OXQULoVN03SGGwaFNaWg=; b=xpsqrcvJ0sl/ r/9hef6dOYcWukcsalZIB8uiYV4oj7zdZof9UBXKtXZxOsKUfeuzpP3UJCbFXOI9 BHofcOHIrt07hguG+AtNWtyDimvfOW21LdzdOrKdpQQ2aSMEhyVaEjuYnXV1wTRA wuraYbmkvS2IelGhFA5xW9JOq1sxeVd2CbLzDftquLEBZC7yW0FqWrk2Hco7hwGP 4lQbh0Fn9QYpAuGYJjquUlAg0slfVsFxLJGqZf9NdtcrW6YHsGxpe3fYpcUwXMgG CBefcEDFn5OBoluinRG58ssbTJaYUIu4groDRSHJmeyr8aEadftnwYmvAOUhYiUZ jsxL18qJlw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; tb-mx0.topicbox.com; arc=none (no signatures found); bimi=skipped (DMARC Policy is not at enforcement); dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key sha256) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=IX9rxhYX header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20161025 x-bits=2048; dmarc=pass policy.published-domain-policy=none policy.published-subdomain-policy=quarantine policy.applied-disposition=none policy.evaluated-disposition=none (p=none,sp=quarantine,d=none,d.eval=none) policy.policy-from=p header.from=gmail.com; iprev=pass smtp.remote-ip=209.85.167.42 (mail-lf1-f42.google.com); spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lucio.dere@gmail.com smtp.helo=mail-lf1-f42.google.com; x-aligned-from=pass (Address match); x-google-dkim=pass (2048-bit rsa key) header.d=1e100.net header.i=@1e100.net header.b=PjLQ35+F; x-me-sender=none; x-ptr=pass smtp.helo=mail-lf1-f42.google.com policy.ptr=mail-lf1-f42.google.com; x-return-mx=pass header.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-return-mx=pass smtp.domain=gmail.com policy.is_org=yes (MX Records found: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com); x-tls=pass smtp.version=TLSv1.2 smtp.cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 smtp.bits=256/256; x-vs=clean score=0 state=0 X-ME-VSCause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrheeigdduvdelucdltddurdegudehrddttd dmucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdggtfgf nhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttd enucenucfjughrpegjfhfhfffkuffvtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnfhutghi ohcuffgvucftvgcuoehluhgtihhordguvghrvgesghhmrghilhdrtghomheqnecuggftrf grthhtvghrnhepffdvgeeikeettdekhfehvdehveehtefhhfdthfejgedtudduieehledt feefiedvnecukfhppedvtdelrdekhedrudeijedrgedvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivg eptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepvddtledrkeehrdduieejrdegvddphhgvlhhopehm rghilhdqlhhfuddqfhegvddrghhoohhglhgvrdgtohhmpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoehluh gtihhordguvghrvgesghhmrghilhdrtghomheq X-ME-VSScore: 0 X-ME-VSCategory: clean Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com ... _spf.google.com: Sender is authorized to use 'lucio.dere@gmail.com' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism 'include:_netblocks.google.com' matched)) receiver=tb-mx0.topicbox.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="lucio.dere@gmail.com"; helo=mail-lf1-f42.google.com; client-ip=209.85.167.42 Received: from mail-lf1-f42.google.com (mail-lf1-f42.google.com [209.85.167.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for <9fans@9fans.net>; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:05:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lucio.dere@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-f42.google.com with SMTP id j19so3524700lfr.12 for <9fans@9fans.net>; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:05:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=N39KW5ok0uM0NmRBMZJ1Uj7OXQULoVN03SGGwaFNaWg=; b=PjLQ35+Fh0fG8MeKvbdqsPdXhgTTWjHGktN0nVrsNGOrjf+Nqoofr9jGFzjwYRGHqN b6wAdtSCCjr9fsZZJ3Jgu6gTc57JJpBPhdGw7MRJKV/2AGZxmKbny1G/Lr/pCu2EYzd3 s64KI45xk5LS47Qgq9qPwd2aTarlQ6p1ogK94IsJxHof112/BCEssLz32pbWLkXtWSev RQMy+xXa0cDGYC3yIPgf9754BatL9jLF+NOz5lhOV5CwH424YINbo+8TFKy5e9vM63rD xX66Q4oq3TT7p6Yev2E5+FS3cKRw912aKuBRFyC/5Cw+wdTicsFTdV/J9IqmfeaoPt7r 8moA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530yO4QVwASi31K00OCSWz2yoDGAhqL6QaoeDIrtuD8sBIUOp86q cBhrgPZIMkF2cK99yfY/+LvOgRYw6J6kTJ+UPhPoExSl8zU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxSjMvndBqAnup+sV+pX1k8jEI4SoTG4+FfJObdFQwzcWs6NJ6EBXI4A9tbQxG8gIY5qkOvImE2GAqz4j0ZOi4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:988:: with SMTP id w8mr3948165lft.294.1613225148099; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:05:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:7d17:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:05:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3a43f603-21d5-4d03-aa30-3a8ca4f1b2c4@sirjofri.de> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:05:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 96e1c102-6e04-11eb-bfaa-a52fdcaa00d5 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NNzBkODdhMjg1ZDc3YWEyNmIzZTgy?= =?UTF-8?B?MjAyPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M70d87a285d77aa26b3e82202:1:v4ztbJkNSEqpoBuMbXbP5IfhaXGlX_8xoK4M4eYHKD4 On 2/13/21, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > > what is the dark side? for me the borders between plan9 and non-plan9 > has been getting less tight, bec. with more experience i understand > how to translate mindsets, or even code, from one system to the other > without anybody in my real life ever accusing me of having watched too > many ed wood movies. > I have no idea how to counter the belligerence with which more conservative suggestions than accepting 9front as the torch-bearer for the Plan 9 religion are addressed on this forum. Thankfully, it doesn't actually matter that I can't. But the misunderstanding of my use of "dark side" can't go unchallenged. The Dark Side is what drives Linux development, the need to discover new ways in which to make Linux and Gnu software larger and larger, irrespective of whether that leads to greater functionality or merely cosmetic, irrelevant decorations. That's all that I believe needs saying, the details will make for interesting archeology, a few hundred years, if that many, from now. Lucio. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M70d87= a285d77aa26b3e82202 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription