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From: Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:46:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJQ9t7i3zh74F4fcfgsKHiYU2q7xrQV78adrPor-r9gyvF221w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F8BEA52895A8A295BF31BC046D3D024F@eigenstate.org>

On 2/12/21, ori@eigenstate.org <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>
> The mix of derailing the thread, and the lack of
> answer for echoline, who *was* offering to do the
> work, but got no answer on whether there's interest,
> just rubbed me the wrong way.
>
It wasn't meant to derail the thread, it was meant to lay down some
rules so taking part would not become a competition leading to
acrimony.

You seem to have a knack for calling a spade a spade and that can be
an invaluable contribution, but the fact that we have different
objectives needs to be addressed at a philosophical level. How else
are we going to select from conflicting alternatives?

The "One plan 9" I mentioned would need to shrink rather than grow, on
the whole, to retain compatibility. Who is going to offer up anything,
if there is no known criterion by which compatibility can be measured
and occasionally sacrificed?

Ori, I'm sure you enjoy the fruit of your developments and I have no
doubt at all that others - me and git9 would be an example - would
benefit from your work. But consider my quandary: I have a Plan 9
network on which I have been unable to deploy a version of SSH that
makes it possible to interoperate with Git on my work Linux systems of
various kinds.

My colleagues frown on anything Plan 9 I contribute and I cannot
circumvent the development and production Linux systems that we are
all familiar with. For my purposes, SSH with capabilities like in
9front needs to run on traditional Plan 9, because my 9front
deployment doesn't play well on the equipment I use and much of my
Plan 9 commitments date to before 9front was a "thing".

I can perpetuate my Plan 9 problem and actually solve my work problems
using Linux and, occasionally, NetBSD. I don't want to, though, nor do
I want to spend more time on work others have already done.

Is that an unreasonable desire? Should I simply feel privileged that I
have been able to play with a pointless Plan 9 network, throw away
twenty-odd years of Plan 9 experience and simply cross over to the
Dark Side, instead, as my colleagues would prefer me to do?

Lucio.

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Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-10  3:27 Eli Cohen
2021-02-10  3:37 ` Lucio De Re
2021-02-10  3:47   ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-10  4:14     ` Lucio De Re
2021-02-10  7:24     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2021-02-10 16:15       ` ori
2021-02-10 21:50         ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-10 22:00           ` ori
2021-02-10 22:26             ` David du Colombier
2021-02-11  5:49               ` ori
2021-02-11  7:24                 ` Lucio De Re
2021-02-11  8:57                   ` Jens Staal
2021-02-11 10:31                   ` hiro
2021-02-11 11:57                     ` Lucio De Re
2021-02-11 13:07                       ` hiro
2021-02-11 17:41                       ` pouya+lists.9fans
2021-02-11  8:40                 ` David du Colombier
2021-02-12  1:21                   ` ori
2021-02-12  2:55                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2021-02-12 17:42                       ` ori
2021-02-12 17:48                         ` sirjofri
2021-02-12 18:09                           ` ori
2021-02-12 20:46                             ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2021-02-12 23:54                               ` Anthony Martin
2021-02-13 13:34                               ` hiro
2021-02-13 14:05                                 ` Lucio De Re
2021-02-13 15:30                                   ` hiro
2021-02-22 18:44                 ` David du Colombier
2021-02-23  4:45                   ` ori
2021-03-19 14:41                     ` Eli Cohen
2021-03-21  0:01                       ` kokamoto
2021-03-21  8:33                         ` David du Colombier
2021-03-21  9:46                           ` hiro
2021-03-21 11:07                             ` David du Colombier
2021-03-21 14:38                           ` David du Colombier
2021-03-21 13:02                         ` Ethan Gardener
2021-02-12 16:39           ` ori
2021-02-10 13:49 ` Steve Simon
2021-02-12 11:09   ` [9fans] 9pi provenance Richard Miller
2021-02-12 11:56     ` pouya+lists.9fans
2021-02-13 14:42       ` David du Colombier
2021-02-13 14:47         ` Richard Miller
2021-02-13 14:53           ` David du Colombier

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