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Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:46:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:7d17:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:46:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3a43f603-21d5-4d03-aa30-3a8ca4f1b2c4@sirjofri.de> From: Lucio De Re Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:46:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 61cf7662-6d73-11eb-8dba-c58dda5fe479 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NOWUxZTRlMGFhY2RkOTdlNTI4NTgx?= =?UTF-8?B?MmQ5Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M9e1e4e0aacdd97e5285812d9:1:6JAD4muUTuhiGoa0OIaUZr9QAcZN9WtKQ8DFkSctWHs On 2/12/21, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > > The mix of derailing the thread, and the lack of > answer for echoline, who *was* offering to do the > work, but got no answer on whether there's interest, > just rubbed me the wrong way. > It wasn't meant to derail the thread, it was meant to lay down some rules so taking part would not become a competition leading to acrimony. You seem to have a knack for calling a spade a spade and that can be an invaluable contribution, but the fact that we have different objectives needs to be addressed at a philosophical level. How else are we going to select from conflicting alternatives? The "One plan 9" I mentioned would need to shrink rather than grow, on the whole, to retain compatibility. Who is going to offer up anything, if there is no known criterion by which compatibility can be measured and occasionally sacrificed? Ori, I'm sure you enjoy the fruit of your developments and I have no doubt at all that others - me and git9 would be an example - would benefit from your work. But consider my quandary: I have a Plan 9 network on which I have been unable to deploy a version of SSH that makes it possible to interoperate with Git on my work Linux systems of various kinds. My colleagues frown on anything Plan 9 I contribute and I cannot circumvent the development and production Linux systems that we are all familiar with. For my purposes, SSH with capabilities like in 9front needs to run on traditional Plan 9, because my 9front deployment doesn't play well on the equipment I use and much of my Plan 9 commitments date to before 9front was a "thing". I can perpetuate my Plan 9 problem and actually solve my work problems using Linux and, occasionally, NetBSD. I don't want to, though, nor do I want to spend more time on work others have already done. Is that an unreasonable desire? Should I simply feel privileged that I have been able to play with a pointless Plan 9 network, throw away twenty-odd years of Plan 9 experience and simply cross over to the Dark Side, instead, as my colleagues would prefer me to do? 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