Have you considered using AoE (Coraid)? It would require d= edicated fossil, NFS CIFS servers, but they'd all be sharing the storag= e -- Coraid supports ext4 and NTFS. Most servers have multiple NICs, which = makes a dedicated LAN for AoE traffic easy.

Regarding au= thentication and access control, I think the only *standard* option for a m= ixed OS environment (Plan 9, Linux/*BSD, Windows) is Kerberos.

It would be great if factotum could handle Kerberos 5. There i= s a pure Go package (https:= //github.com/jcmturner/gokrb5) that could help. Of course, this would t= ake some work.

This setup would require 4 (or pote= ntially only 3) machines:

=C2=A0 * AoE block storage

= =C2=A0 * the KDC (MIT, Heimdal, or MS Active Directory)

=C2=A0 * = Plan 9 file server (fossil, but also CIFS and NFS servers)

=C2=A0= * Linux or NetBSD file server for CIFS and NFS

-S= kip

On Fri, Aug 3= 1, 2018 at 10:22 PM Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:

wrote: > The way I inform myself of valuable contributions to plan 9 these days > is by watching 9front commit logs and the #cat-v irc channel. > > If there are any valuable commits in David's repository that we should > apply, please inform us. > I was waiting for the real Hiro to pop out . Of course, you're sadly right. On the merit side, 9legacy is frighteningly stable (ask me, I ain't changed a thing in years), so it is eminently ready to absorb 9front's commits, if only the effort did not reduce 9legacy to a stuttering idiot. Small as Plan 9 is, bringing divergent developments together requires that scarce resource called humility on all sides. I can only beat humility into others, no risk of swallowing a dose of it for my own edification. No, I am joking, which is another side of Plan 9 I cherish: few, if anyone at all have their livelihood dependent on Plan 9. I actually can fake humility better than I can fake just about anything else and people do accept it as real. That's good enough. To return to 9legacy versus 9front, I'm totally incompetent at this point, but I'm hoping to familiarise myself with 9front fairly soon, it is too inviting. But my loyalty to the original Plan 9 source is very strong, it's hard to tell how it will pan out. In the meantime, I do have answers I need to pursue, and this is as good an opportunity as any to say thanks to all who have reply and I look forward to hearing even the smallest tidbits that may illuminate the way forward. Unknown to the majority, we are privileged to be acquainted in some detail with a precious thing, we need, as a community, to appreciate whatever it is that we can do to nurture it. Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Lucio De Re Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:55:45 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e03a9e82-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/2/18, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Have you considered using AoE (Coraid)? It would require dedicated fossil, > NFS CIFS servers, but they'd all be sharing the storage -- Coraid supports > ext4 and NTFS. Most servers have multiple NICs, which makes a dedicated LAN > for AoE traffic easy. > I have, many times, Skip. I was told once or twice that is money is the only obstacle between me and success, then there is no obstacle at all, but my ability to grow debt or at least keep it at the permanent level my bank tolerates from me, is at least one factor against having any Coraid kit in my space. I think that is the greatest regret I have, by far. Coraid kit should be listed as a non-negotiable human right. Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <89FDB329-B008-41C3-BAB2-3B8B801BE9B2@gmail.com> <02f5fc7d-bf68-4f91-ab82-6b79d6cebe99@posteo.net> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:00:22 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e04177f2-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Of course, you're sadly right. I don't know what's so sad to you. apart from all other developers having left and work for google now. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1535910240.3778367.1494266984.4C7B2E47@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1535910240.3778367.1494266984.4C7B2E47@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:02:49 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e04b6dd4-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/2/18, Ethan Gardener wrote: > I had a thought pertaining to the original topic. > [ ... ] > > FreeBSD has ZFS too, which of course offers snapshots, but it has so many > options that I found it a bit too much. It seems well documented and the > interface seems reasonable for the feature set, but it's a big feature set. > I have a habit of trying to understand and use too much at once, I guess. > A personality analysis of 9fans I'm sure will reveal some traits that make us very much alike. A desire to get to the bottom of things would be one of those, is my guess. Of course, it's simplistic. Thing is, if our community were to find a sufficiently capable leader, we'd be able to contribute immensely. It's unfortunate that such coordination doesn't naturally occur whenever the resources become available. But maybe the necessary catalyst will eventually materialise, before it's too late. Here's to that hope. Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <89FDB329-B008-41C3-BAB2-3B8B801BE9B2@gmail.com> <02f5fc7d-bf68-4f91-ab82-6b79d6cebe99@posteo.net> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:07:05 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0570478-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > bringing divergent developments together one big diversion one should not forget is inferno. i would welcome if some efforts were put into synchronizing some of the inferno and plan 9 changes and perhaps apply acquired wisdom that stems from either project. otherwise 9front doesn't try to divert at all. even some bell-labs changes that were frowned upon and broke backwards compatibility were imported into 9front bec. of the wish to stay compatible. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Lucio De Re Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:09:55 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e05b5410-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/2/18, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > Regarding authentication and access control, I think the only *standard* > option for a mixed OS environment (Plan 9, Linux/*BSD, Windows) is > Kerberos. > Is that still actively used (I mean, outside of Microsoft's attempted hi-jacking)? In my Linux-prone wider environment, the name is never uttered. > It would be great if factotum could handle Kerberos 5. There is a pure Go > package (https://github.com/jcmturner/gokrb5) that could help. Of course, > this would take some work. > Factotum deserves a research institute of its own. Every time I have to change a password that has expired or have to look in my secstore for one I have not used in a while, I wish I could add the few modules I find lacking in factotum. So much Plan 9 that comes just short of perfect, where everything else is at best mediocre! Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <1535912353.3785691.1494288192.2ECE001E@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Gardener To: 9fans@9fans.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:19:13 +0100 References: <1535910240.3778367.1494266984.4C7B2E47@webmail.messagingengine.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e063b074-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 9/2/18, Ethan Gardener wrote: > > I had a thought pertaining to the original topic. > > > [ ... ] > > > > FreeBSD has ZFS too, which of course offers snapshots, but it has so many > > options that I found it a bit too much. It seems well documented and the > > interface seems reasonable for the feature set, but it's a big feature set. > > I have a habit of trying to understand and use too much at once, I guess. > > > A personality analysis of 9fans I'm sure will reveal some traits that > make us very much alike. A desire to get to the bottom of things would > be one of those, is my guess. Probably! :) > Of course, it's simplistic. Thing is, if our community were to find a > sufficiently capable leader, we'd be able to contribute immensely. > It's unfortunate that such coordination doesn't naturally occur > whenever the resources become available. But maybe the necessary > catalyst will eventually materialise, before it's too late. > > Here's to that hope. I don't know. cinap tried to teach me. He's a good teacher, but he couldn't help me. Things are looking up now I'm trying to improve my life generally, dealing with sources of stress instead of trying to block them out with a million distractions. I'm cutting back to one hobby. Unfortunately, it's not Plan 9, but it will share some ideas and I intend to make it run on Plan 9 when it runs at all. Anyway, one hobby means anyone trying to get me to work on Plan 9 would be up against some stiff competition. :) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1535912353.3785691.1494288192.2ECE001E@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1535910240.3778367.1494266984.4C7B2E47@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1535912353.3785691.1494288192.2ECE001E@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Lucio De Re Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:24:04 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0678a46-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 You're here. Sometimes an audience is all the artist needs as the stimulus. How does it go? "They also serve...". Lucio. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <1535914545.3792653.1494314976.482A2E7B@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Gardener To: 9fans@9fans.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:55:45 +0100 References: <1535910240.3778367.1494266984.4C7B2E47@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1535912353.3785691.1494288192.2ECE001E@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e06c32d0-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > You're here. Sometimes an audience is all the artist needs as the > stimulus. How does it go? "They also serve...". I probably shouldn't talk about all I've done for the sake of an audience. XD I tell myself I'm doing my latest project primarily for myself though. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 16:22:14 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20180902232214.GA66313@wopr> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0932e26-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 08:09:55PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 9/2/18, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > > > Regarding authentication and access control, I think the only *standard* > > option for a mixed OS environment (Plan 9, Linux/*BSD, Windows) is > > Kerberos. > > > Is that still actively used (I mean, outside of Microsoft's attempted > hi-jacking)? In my Linux-prone wider environment, the name is never > uttered. Yes, it's extremely common in many business and government environments. All of linux's weird-ass authentication systems are poorly-reinvented kerberos implementations, with the primary limitations and pain points directly stemming from unix tropes. Generally someone comes up with a bad idea, everyone adopts it, and then that bad idea slowly evolves as closely as it can to being kerberos. Most commonly, someone will mandate two-factor authentication, and kerberos tickets (usually via GSSAPI) are the back-end, regardless of which security tokens (RSA SecurID, smart cards, yubikeys, etc) are chosen. khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180902232214.GA66313@wopr> References: <20180902232214.GA66313@wopr> From: Lucio De Re Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 05:22:44 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e09fd16c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/3/18, Kurt H Maier wrote: > [ ... ] > > Most commonly, someone will mandate two-factor authentication, and > kerberos tickets (usually via GSSAPI) are the back-end, regardless of > which security tokens (RSA SecurID, smart cards, yubikeys, etc) are > chosen. > Thanks, Kurt, I knew 9fans was a fountain of knowledge with, mostly, just the right sprinkling of skepticism. Plus the humour, of course. Lucio. PS: I suffered a server failure, way back when, and returning to the 9fans fold took some determination. I'm not sure I'll be able to do without 9fans any time soon. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <89FDB329-B008-41C3-BAB2-3B8B801BE9B2@gmail.com> <02f5fc7d-bf68-4f91-ab82-6b79d6cebe99@posteo.net> From: Lucio De Re Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 06:03:42 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] 9P or better file services for multiple platforms Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0a48748-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/2/18, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > > i suppose you could check the individual blogs, possibly in an > automated way by writing some one-liner rc and hget script and publish > the outcome, plus keep it updated. then perhaps you can figure out if > this is the kind of information currently lacking. > The book, the book! I think that's what I'll look into. We have Nemo's commentary and of course Forsyth's (9) man pages, maybe a start would be to condense knowledge in a "Tiger's" commentary of 9front. I can already see the two columns of 9legacy and 9front code side by side (the kernel isn't going to be enough, though, you guys have been way too busy). And, while I have your attention, I was a fan of Tanenbaum and Minix. Is anyone here familiar with Minix v3? Thinking about, isn't a book precisely what it takes to guarantee an OS eternal life? Thanks for the thought, Hiro, in my dotage, when evening comes, my thinking slows down beyond useful pondering, blogs may be just what I need instead of television. That will almost certainly improve the quality of my last years. Lucio.