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Thu, 01 Apr 2021 21:20:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:534f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2021 21:20:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <16172946980.cd0F9b.53019@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> From: Lucio De Re Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 06:20:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: bfc890ec-936a-11eb-b8a0-c662d4adf445 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzQ3MmU0YTBjMGI2ZjA4NC1NYzJjMTdhMzQ1NGJlNGI0OTEyNTE1?= =?UTF-8?B?Mzc5Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mc2c17a3454be4b4912515379:1:BCJo-YtSDrsDUVXdmK7tewek4e0Dl0rsdnHKSdGq9bA I need time to assimilate mindset changing concepts, I should not respond as quickly as I am doing here, so please understand that nothing below is intended to offend anyone, it is more a totally subjective and poorly formulated knee-jerk reaction to what is clearly a critical event in Plan 9's existence. On 4/1/21, sirjofri wrote: > I know only 4 currently active Plan 9 systems. (1) The official 4e > release, which is ... well it works, I guess. (2) 9legacy, which is 4e > plus patches (fixes and modern stuff). (3) the RPi forks. (4) 9front, > which might be the biggest and the farthest away from 4e, but maybe also > the system which supports most hardware, maybe. > I had a brief exchange with Cinap quite a long time ago and whereas I make no claim to follow the Bell Labs philosophy particularly closely, I figured that the divergence between BL and 9front had sort of solidified with the introduction of Go. Or perhaps those were just symptoms and the core philosophies had a nature of their own. Cinap may well recall this exchange. The bottom line as I see it, is that whereas 9legacy and what I call 9miller attempt to follow a conservative path, 9front has taken a path of its own and only fragments of Cinap's efforts (without for a moment disparaging all other 9front contributors) can be assimilated into Plan 9 without some shift in philosophy. I think that the "purity" (imaginary as it may be, it is an historical fact) of BL Plan 9 and the practicality of 9front should be discussed at a philosophical level and the two forks be reconciled as far as possible. But a compromise position needs to take into account the viability of Plan 9 as something different from being merely a research OS (which I think has been more or less exhausted). Agreeing on a new role (perhaps precisely as a target for contributions by a community with a different mindset) for a shared product will help attaining such an objective. That two different paths may need to be followed to arrive there seems inevitable, but officially cooperating along those two paths would save a lot of redundancy and reduce the risk of further divergence. We need to talk, seriously, about where we're going. The risk that the Plan 9 Foundation may successfully dominate the Plan 9 landscape and totally alienate the 9front contributors quite frankly horrifies me. There, it's been said. This seems to be the place, at least for now, where my fears will be allayed or solidified. Lucio. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc472e4a0c0b6f084-Mc2c17= a3454be4b4912515379 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription