<= /div>

People like writing on its plastic screen much bett= er than on iPadPro

with its glass screen. Even with a thin plastic= protector screen on

the iPad, it does not fell like writing on pa= per - the screen doesn=E2=80=99t

=E2=80=9Cgive=E2=80=9D enough. Re= Markable=E2=80=99s simple interface and the fact it runs

Linux mad= e me think it would make for an interesting experiment in

writing a= touch/gesture based editor for handwritten text. On the

iPa= d GoodNotes does a very good job of editing within text but lacks

= other tools. Come to think of it, even regular text input on iPad isn=E2=80=99= t

as fast as with a real keyboard and editing commands. A pen/styl= us

opens up new possibilities. I put this out here hoping that one= of you

gets inspired enough to write a =E2=80=9Cpen-based-acme=E2= =80=9D (in the sense of

having just the =E2=80=9Cright=E2=80=9D ed= itor primitives, but not specific commands).

= --Apple-Mail-3CE4F395-4BE5-4968-8D8D-10506BEB9447-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> References: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:44:47 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] ReMarkable! Topicbox-Message-UUID: cee213ea-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 we have two of these devices here in the office and my coworker loves to use it for making notes and sketches. i like the device's size for reading pdfs with annoying layouts, and i prefer this screen technology to the glaring normal displays i get to use otherwise. replace my main monitor with one of these and i might even run acme for a day for you. but with mouse and keyboard, i would never replace them with touch input. for sketches i'll keep on using paper and pen :) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bakul Shah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 06:04:07 -0800 Message-Id: <1F230EA1-B808-45B9-847E-7FE9C6F62C87@bitblocks.com> References: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] ReMarkable! Topicbox-Message-UUID: cee645e6-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Feb 12, 2018, at 5:44 AM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > i might even run acme > for a day for you. but with mouse and keyboard, i would never replace > them with touch input. Ah, but where=E2=80=99s the challenge in that?! Some ideas to give a sense of what I=E2=80=99m thinking: drawing a line acro= ss the screen vertically or horizontally to create two windows. Scratch it out to close a window. Lasso a filename and drag it in a window tag bar to open it there. Select a word and type ? to search. Such ideas would have to be iterated over and tried out to find out what works.= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F230EA1-B808-45B9-847E-7FE9C6F62C87@bitblocks.com> References: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> <1F230EA1-B808-45B9-847E-7FE9C6F62C87@bitblocks.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:51:37 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [9fans] ReMarkable! Topicbox-Message-UUID: ceea0b18-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inputing longer text. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <1518526082.1185280.1269230384.58A52429@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:48:02 +0000 References: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> <1F230EA1-B808-45B9-847E-7FE9C6F62C87@bitblocks.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] ReMarkable! Topicbox-Message-UUID: cf443e3a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 2:51 PM, hiro wrote: > your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inputing > longer text. > i imagine many would find handwriting more comfortable than tapping a lot. possibly more accurate too, although an osk on a screen that big isn't too bad for accuracy. of course, i'm assuming the art of handwriting isn't dead yet. i won't get one because i was never very good at handwriting. :) i preferred the osk on my 2.5" palm back in '01. :) it was good with its stylus, and it wasn't one of those ridiculous modern stylii with the fat squishy tips. would need an active stylus to match it today. -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1518526082.1185280.1269230384.58A52429@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> <1F230EA1-B808-45B9-847E-7FE9C6F62C87@bitblocks.com> <1518526082.1185280.1269230384.58A52429@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Camol=C3=AAs?= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:52:57 -0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c0232254514c05651779c0" Subject: Re: [9fans] ReMarkable! Topicbox-Message-UUID: cf48416a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a11c0232254514c05651779c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" You could use, you know, a keyboard Em 13 de fev de 2018 10:49, "Ethan Grammatikidis" escreveu: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 2:51 PM, hiro wrote: > > your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inputing > > longer text. > > > > i imagine many would find handwriting more comfortable than tapping a lot. > possibly more accurate too, although an osk on a screen that big isn't too > bad for accuracy. of course, i'm assuming the art of handwriting isn't dead > yet. i won't get one because i was never very good at handwriting. :) i > preferred the osk on my 2.5" palm back in '01. :) it was good with its > stylus, and it wasn't one of those ridiculous modern stylii with the fat > squishy tips. would need an active stylus to match it today. > > -- > The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer > > --001a11c0232254514c05651779c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You could use, you know, a keyboard

Em 13 de fev de 2018 10:49, "= ;Ethan Grammatikidis" <eekee= 57@fastmail.fm> escreveu:

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 2:51 PM, hiro wrote:
> your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inpu= ting
> longer text.
>

i imagine many would find handwriting more comfortable than tapping a lot. = possibly more accurate too, although an osk on a screen that big isn't = too bad for accuracy. of course, i'm assuming the art of handwriting is= n't dead yet. i won't get one because i was never very good at hand= writing. :) i preferred the osk on my 2.5" palm back in '01. :) it= was good with its stylus, and it wasn't one of those ridiculous modern= stylii with the fat squishy tips. would need an active stylus to match it = today.

--
The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer

--001a11c0232254514c05651779c0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <1518531577.499655.1269330088.751157E4@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_15185315774996551" References: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> <1F230EA1-B808-45B9-847E-7FE9C6F62C87@bitblocks.com> <1518526082.1185280.1269230384.58A52429@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:19:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [9fans] ReMarkable! Topicbox-Message-UUID: cf735a62-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_15185315774996551 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Daniel Camol=C3=AAs wrote: > You could use, you know, a keyboard with my ordinary tablet? sure! with a $600 tablet whose main trick is the handwriting input? why would i buy the tablet? -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer --_----------=_15185315774996551 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 12:52 PM, = Daniel Camol=C3=AAs wrote:

You could use, you know, a keyboard

with my ordinary tablet? sure! with a $60= 0 tablet whose main trick is the handwriting input? why would i buy the tab= let?

The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- C= haucer

--_----------=_15185315774996551-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7C08815F-3BEA-43D9-8E5B-2BC7E791210C@bitblocks.com> <1F230EA1-B808-45B9-847E-7FE9C6F62C87@bitblocks.com> <1518526082.1185280.1269230384.58A52429@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1518531577.499655.1269330088.751157E4@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Camol=C3=AAs?= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:58:33 -0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c114b0e839f840565193a18" Subject: Re: [9fans] ReMarkable! Topicbox-Message-UUID: cf7ce208-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c114b0e839f840565193a18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well because... A keyboard is very cheap and if you could pay for your tablet, you can probably afford it? And it's an efficient way to input text, way more efficient than any handwriting on a screen. I understand the sunken cost fallacy, but seriously, there's a reason handwriting on tablets is not that much used despite the existence of softwares for such. It can be useful when it comes to short annotations, but it's really ridiculous for long texts. If it could be useful for tasks such as writing a book and programming, we mostly likely would be doing it by now. Maybe it's not impossible that someone would come up with a way to input text using a pen over a screen that's even more efficient and convenient than a keyboard. So far, such technology just doesn't exist. Em 13 de fev de 2018 12:21, "Ethan Grammatikidis" escreveu: On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Daniel Camol=C3=AAs wrote: You could use, you know, a keyboard with my ordinary tablet? sure! with a $600 tablet whose main trick is the handwriting input? why would i buy the tablet? -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer --94eb2c114b0e839f840565193a18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well because... A keyboard is very cheap and if you could= pay for your tablet, you can probably afford it? And it's an efficient= way to input text, way more efficient than any handwriting on a screen.

I understand the sunken cost fal= lacy, but seriously, there's a reason handwriting on tablets is not tha= t much used despite the existence of softwares for such. It can be useful w= hen it comes to short annotations, but it's really ridiculous for long = texts. If it could be useful for tasks such as writing a book and programmi= ng, we mostly likely would be doing it by now.=C2=A0

Maybe it's not impossible that someone wou= ld come up with a way to input text using a pen over a screen that's ev= en more efficient and convenient than a keyboard. So far, such technology j= ust doesn't exist.