From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0c0703721c476ad3658d0bfbd6f7c5b4@ladd.quanstro.net> <6aa908ea-da18-620a-e214-e458d216785f@me.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:17:17 +1100 Message-ID: From: Bruce Ellis To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6bdf8540-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 http://www.chunder.com/text/dead.html On 20 March 2012 19:25, Paschke Christoph wrote: > In 3 weeks I need work together with Italians because of a machine contro= l and the optimization system behind. > It's already difficult to work together and you can imagine English is al= ready a good way communication works. > Although, in real, it is still difficult to understand the italian englis= h and probably same with me that the italians understand my german english. > French and Swiss boarders are just some km away ... This multinational mi= x is a problem in EU. > > And this not only means the language, it also means so much other things.= For example, the culture differences and problems with history. > So, I remember some years ago, I had to work together with polish people = at a project. I speak russian and therefore I starting to speak with them r= ussian what they can understand very well. They told me: What you speak rus= sian to us, we not living in soviet union anymore. And I answered: You can = speak German? NO! What you expect me to speak english, we not living in USA= the same. And such is ONLY an example of the intercultural problems becaus= e for example the polish people living historically between the hate to rus= sians and the hate to the germans. And if you need work together such way, = can be very exhausting and many projects fails. > > But this is ONLY another example. It becomes also with knowledge very con= fusing. So, you cannot expect to have one standard to work on. One do such = way, other do other way. One knows this way, other knows other way. EU is l= ike the babel tower. And I think that other QUITE homogenous nations like U= SA cannot understand that chaos. > > If you buy all you need from your own's company's nation like in former t= imes this is no problem. > But if nations working together in such "small scale" as it becomes now m= ore and more reality, it is difficult in many cases. > > And in this way, I already get the feeling that the EU-project behind the= Mini-X is a trial to a machine-control-fundamental that can be quite uniqu= e over Europe once a day. > How much this is real, how much this will be, who knows? Maybe if Mini-X = evolves, the governmental offers of EU will dictate Mini-X as the standard = that need be fulfilled. I think in US it was similar procedure with Ada pro= graming language and military hardware etc. > > I can imagine this is the background of the Mini-X project. Why not Linux= ? Probably because it is already to much chaos and you cannot come back to = the fundamentals anymore that you can expect each nation in EU to get learn= ed, understood ... Coming back to a structured base that also is planed to = get teached in schools is maybe the way to solve this problem. > > But what I speak about Mini-X so much in Plan 9 forum? I got lost a littl= e bit in thoughts about it because of the GSoC and EU support for it. So, i= n real we speak about Plan 9 here, I know! Therefore last part from me abou= t that comparative issue. Nobody knows how things will come. If people woul= d know, probably Plan 9 would be the follower of Unix, but it didn't come t= hat way! > > Am 20.03.2012 um 00:24 schrieb Bruce Ellis: > >> Even Shaney is having trouble with these fish of the trees, tho he >> would like to borrow "Most cases EU does central shit". >> >> brucee >> >> On 20 March 2012 10:07, Charles Forsyth wrot= e: >>> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/plug-versus-plug-49303764/ >>> >>> >>> On 19 March 2012 22:22, andrey mirtchovski wrot= e: >>>> >>>> damn electric sockets! *shakes fist of impotent rage* >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE) >> > > --=20 Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)