From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20160831034806.GB19159@wopr> <957d9161a8fd44eb4411d5bf173ae80b@9netics.com> <20160831064010.GE19159@wopr> <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> In-Reply-To: <97b4156d-9350-42c2-a573-3a6fe0ea80e9@email.android.com> From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:59:08 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c113362ef5f87053b645e75 Subject: Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9addfb5e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c113362ef5f87053b645e75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber wrote: > Steven Stallion wrote: > > >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid. > >>> > >>> put up or shut up: > >> ... > >> Congratulations on your accomplishments! > > > >% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/patch/^(applied > >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l} > >% ck sstallion@gmail.com > > 28 > >% ck khm@sciops.net > > 0 > > > >Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory > >session than for being an incorrigible troll. > > > >Steve > > What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to questions > from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan 9 > without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't really > referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every. > Single. Time. What is the point? > you're assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, system admin or programming. easy means: "no different than setting up a cpu once you've configured your fs and auth". adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and /cfg/pxe is as easy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the same kernel. please take the hyperbole down a bit or provide instances for what you claim i did. the internet has a long memory; http links would be sufficient. regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progress i talked about at IWP9 2010. i've shared as much detail as i could. > What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to imply some > the availability of some facility for process migration? You know none > exists. > > The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual > suspects where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or > denigrating the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. First > various ribbons and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns are > displayed and then the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 users are > cave men clinging to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever precisely > because their target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but again, what > is the point? > > How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs? > > My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual > denunciation of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney! > > The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality > trolling, performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for being Plan > 9 Gandalfs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of speaking > in words that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions upon the > sacred world wide web, > bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue. > and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true keepers of the faith, beating back the evildoers. > > Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after > Google found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt. > > sl > > > > > > > --94eb2c113362ef5f87053b645e75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed= , Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:
St= even Stallion <= sstallion@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:52:31PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:<= br> >>> > plan 9 as more than a masturbatory aid.
>>>
>>> put up or shut up:
>> ...
>> Congratulations on your accomplishments!
>
>% fn ck { grep $* /n/sources/patch/*/email /n/sources/patch/^(applied >maybe saved sorry)^/*/email >[2]/dev/null |wc -l}
>% ck sstallion= @gmail.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A028
>% ck khm@sciops.net=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0
>
>Perhaps it's better to be known for the occasional masturbatory
>session than for being an incorrigible troll.
>
>Steve

What's incorrigible is the way you people consistently reply to questio= ns from newbs with claims that it is trivial to do various tasks on Plan 9 = without ever quite revealing that 1.) it isn't, and 2.) you aren't = really referring to the task they suggested, anyway. Skip does this, Every.= Single. Time. What is the point?

you&#= 39;re assuming a person who is new to Plan 9, is new to computing, system a= dmin or programming.

easy means: "no differen= t than setting up a cpu once you've configured your fs and auth". = =C2=A0adding entries for 8 rpi's in /lib/ndb/local and /cfg/pxe is as e= asy as cutting and pasting after the first one. they all run the same kerne= l.

please take the hyperbole down a bit or=C2=A0provide instances for what you claim i did. t= he internet has a long memory; http links would be sufficient.
=

regarding pi cluster, it was related to a work-in-progr= ess i talked about at IWP9 2010. =C2=A0i've shared as much detail as i = could.


What do you use that rpi "cluster" for, Skip? Do you mean to impl= y some the availability of some facility for process migration? You know no= ne exists.

The latest amusing evolution is a parade of replies from the usual suspects= where it's never quite clear which of them are promoting or denigratin= g the degraded web-centric nature of modern computing. First various ribbon= s and medals associated with historic Plan 9 campaigns are displayed and th= en the same noble campaigners suggest that Plan 9 users are cave men clingi= ng to stone tools. I think the quips are so clever precisely because their = target is indeterminate. Great, you're funny, but again, what is the po= int?

How does any of this clarify matters for interested newbs?

My personal favorite aspect of this tiresome dance is the eventual denuncia= tion of trolls. Here, in the spiritual home of Mark V Shaney!

The problem is not trolling. The problem is low to medium quality trolling,= performed by armchair quarterbacks who want credit for being Plan 9 Gandal= fs but who are unwilling to provide the simple service of speaking in words= that make sense. Mothra forbid any should cast aspersions upon the sacred = world wide web,
bringer of the paycheck and dresser of the tongue.

and yet, it is you and your ilk who claim the mantle of the true ke= epers of the faith, beating back the evildoers.
=C2=A0

Kurt provides free hosting for the 9front mercurial repository, after Googl= e found better things to do with their time. Thanks, Kurt.

sl






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